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Chen Xiaojiu
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Posted - 2011.06.28 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Guard First. Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us! I'm Kidding (please don't quote this joke ever)!
Found here...
Actually, re-reading that thread in light of the recent events, I really felt a bit stomach sick at some parts.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:17:00 -
[12812]
Eve in 2006 when it was awesome
Eve now
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:22:00 -
[12813]
Originally by: Chen Xiaojiu
Originally by: CCP Guard First. Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us! I'm Kidding (please don't quote this joke ever)!
Found here...
Actually, re-reading that thread in light of the recent events, I really felt a bit stomach sick at some parts.
The thing from that thread that I liked at the time was:
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Kogh Ayon again. Nix EVE for a new spaceship game? >> Over our cold, dead lifeless bodies. Even then we will stop this from happening. Developing EVE is a commitment to our players and a commitment to our employees.
Please CCP, live up this answer. Don't make Manifest a liar. Just make the game better.
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Athus
Open Designs
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:27:00 -
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CANNOT ... RESIST .... POSTING ... IN ... EPIC .... THREADTITAN!!!!!!
Waitin for your answers after this weekend CCP. GET'R DONE!!!!  |

Zero GodOfDestruction
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:34:00 -
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This thread is called "The Thread" beacuse its epicness has allowed it to... kill its own name...
This video is brilliant and is a must watch for anyone angry with what CCP has done and will do. "You the people have the power!" |

Aveneo
SkyNet Technologies Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:34:00 -
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A word of advice to CCP: When in hole, stop digging.
Seriously, was this your attempt to dupe the playerbase of EvE into shelling out more money than ever in order for you to fund your Dust project?
And now that it backfired you apologize and ask for parley so you can try and sweettalk the CSM representatives with your best silvertongued corporate spokesman in a CCP controlled environment to get the geese and cows back in the farm?
I wish to commend Pann for taking the leap and face the brunt of the assault, but at present time my trust and confidence in CCP's conduct has weakened severely (and that's putting it mildly).
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Ra Vhim
Black Bag Ops
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:39:00 -
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I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch. Before the patch I didn't care. When it started to look like non-vanity items may be coming then I hated the whole MT idea. Now I believe that it might be possible if they only sell blueprints at Eve-prices (what it would cost in ISK on the normal market - no clothes for starship prices).
If they do that then I wouldn't care if they put every NPC bpo in NEX and turn it to a blueprint market. It would require that CCP drop the idea to have roflol prices and keep it within reasonable prices in Eve. I wouldn't care if I buy a bpo from the market or NEX as long as the price is about the same in ISK value (I would simply buy a PLEX from the market).
However, with the prices CCP take in the NEX this would be impossible. A cup of coffee in the NEX shop would cost like hundreds of AUR because it is really good coffee! I can't even guess how many hundreds of billions of ISK a raven NPC blueprint would cost if CCP keep up with their pricing.
Edit: I must add that this would probably encourage CCP to give us new useful mods and ships. Not all BPOs would be expensive (keeping the price about what is standard in Eve) but a lot would be sold.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ra Vhim I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch. Before the patch I didn't care. When it started to look like non-vanity items may be coming then I hated the whole MT idea. Now I believe that it might be possible if they only sell blueprints at Eve-prices (what it would cost in ISK on the normal market - no clothes for starship prices).
If they do that then I wouldn't care if they put every NPC bpo in NEX and turn it to a blueprint market. It would require that CCP drop the idea to have roflol prices and keep it within reasonable prices in Eve. I wouldn't care if I buy a bpo from the market or NEX as long as the price is about the same in ISK value (I would simply buy a PLEX from the market).
However, with the prices CCP take in the NEX this would be impossible. A cup of coffee in the NEX shop would cost like hundreds of AUR because it is really good coffee! I can't even guess how many hundreds of billions of ISK a raven NPC blueprint would cost if CCP keep up with their pricing.
Edit: I must add that this would probably encourage CCP to give us new useful mods and ships. Not all BPOs would be expensive (keeping the price about what is standard in Eve) but a lot would be sold.
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Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Ra Vhim I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch. Before the patch I didn't care. When it started to look like non-vanity items may be coming then I hated the whole MT idea. Now I believe that it might be possible if they only sell blueprints at Eve-prices (what it would cost in ISK on the normal market - no clothes for starship prices).
If they do that then I wouldn't care if they put every NPC bpo in NEX and turn it to a blueprint market. It would require that CCP drop the idea to have roflol prices and keep it within reasonable prices in Eve. I wouldn't care if I buy a bpo from the market or NEX as long as the price is about the same in ISK value (I would simply buy a PLEX from the market).
However, with the prices CCP take in the NEX this would be impossible. A cup of coffee in the NEX shop would cost like hundreds of AUR because it is really good coffee! I can't even guess how many hundreds of billions of ISK a raven NPC blueprint would cost if CCP keep up with their pricing.
Edit: I must add that this would probably encourage CCP to give us new useful mods and ships. Not all BPOs would be expensive (keeping the price about what is standard in Eve) but a lot would be sold.
*Twitch* 
In theory, perhaps, if everyone agreed, in principle. The traders running stockades etc to sell bpo's in Jita might not see it that way though, hmmm... 
However... They charge $20 for a virtual shirt ($19.99 in store) They charge $70 for a virtual monocle ($5 to $35 on ebay) What, pray tell, do you think they will charge for the blueprints and schematics for an interstellar battleship ?
(Hint: Never mind the bpo, building Space Shuttle Endeavour cost about US$1.7 billion. )
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Oedepus
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Posted - 2011.06.29 00:55:00 -
[12820]
Edited by: Oedepus on 29/06/2011 01:01:37 Edited by: Oedepus on 29/06/2011 00:56:13 Page 428 of an epic thread!
Originally by: Ra Vhim I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch. Before the patch I didn't care. When it started to look like non-vanity items may be coming then I hated the whole MT idea. Now I believe that it might be possible if they only sell blueprints at Eve-prices (what it would cost in ISK on the normal market - no clothes for starship prices).
If they do that then I wouldn't care if they put every NPC bpo in NEX and turn it to a blueprint market. It would require that CCP drop the idea to have roflol prices and keep it within reasonable prices in Eve. I wouldn't care if I buy a bpo from the market or NEX as long as the price is about the same in ISK value (I would simply buy a PLEX from the market).
However, with the prices CCP take in the NEX this would be impossible. A cup of coffee in the NEX shop would cost like hundreds of AUR because it is really good coffee! I can't even guess how many hundreds of billions of ISK a raven NPC blueprint would cost if CCP keep up with their pricing.
Edit: I must add that this would probably encourage CCP to give us new useful mods and ships. Not all BPOs would be expensive (keeping the price about what is standard in Eve) but a lot would be sold.
You use BPO's as an example but you are failing to consider all of the existing player owned BPO's. By moving the BPO's to the NeX market you have put thousands of real dollars, isk euros into the hands of the industrial players who have purchased masive amounts of bpo's over time. The only way the NeX could work is IF you had to exchange a like player made object, just like you do with most of the items in the LP stores and that items stats were the same as a faction item with only cosmetic differences. This might have had a chance before last week but I think now we would never buy off on it.
The one thing that bugs me is the loss of functionality in the hanger because of Incarna and the equipment overheating and absue due to trying to run the CQ on most graphics cards. Hat's off to those players who can afford the higher end cards but I beileve that for a good portion of the player base turning off CQ is not only a performance but equipment saving neccesity.
I've already unsubscribed my accounts and will be waiting to see what happens, but I'm not jumping back into a sinking boat until I know it's seaworthy again.
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ra Vhim I have changed my mind. I no longer believe that MT automatically would kill Eve. I will quote my reasoning from another thread.
Originally by: Ra Vhim
Well, I have been thinking quite a lot about MT since this patch.
CCP will never sell BPOs from the Nex for a simple reason. BPOs don't depreciate in value. They tend to instead appreciate in value as they are researched. Once there are enough BPOs out there, the BPCs are not far behind, then the market is full of ships and no one needs to buy another BPO.
If they start selling BPCs for a RifterPlus, then that creates a pay to win item and we're right back where we started.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Syrril
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:03:00 -
[12822]
I've been seriously thinking about cancelling my account because of all this crap. I haven't done it yet, but the nail in the coffin, methinks, is after ALL THIS TIME, you CCP reps still will not allow me to add a freaking SURNAME to my character. Even after you've separated first / last names, and made it pretty much mandatory for new players to have one. You want me to stay a loyal, paying customer after you've destroyed the trust of this community? Well then, give me the option to make a last name for myself. Seriously.
/emorage
/cancelsub
You think I'm kidding? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:17:00 -
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Oh the wait. |

Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:17:00 -
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Bear with me to the end people!
How, here's is the thing, the very thing so it is.
I used to play World of Warcraft a LOT. I was one of the richest players in the sodding game (and didn't my health suffer for it!)
But they started on this slippery slope. Pay for server transfers... Pay for a sex change... Pay for race changes... Then you got your shiny ponies ... and pets ... and more mounts and more pets. They took the subs (that pay the artists etc) and put them on the store to sell back to the players. When I saw all this crap going on I started getting madder and madder. They were working it up the very players that are keeping Activision from going bust.
They haven't got to putting game changers like legendary weapons on the store (yet) but I saw were it was heading and did not like it one little bit. So I played less and less, moving here instead last year.
And bugger me if they don't start that crap here!!!
I log into Incarna and get IN YOUR FACE. YOU BUY NEX NOW. We love you long time for it!. As soon as I saw it my back went up.
Anyway, I was talking about WoW...
WoW with it's pets and ponies and paid everything (that CCP is clearly drooling over)... And this is were that path starts to lead:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/28/world-of-warcraft-starter-edition-lets-you-reach-lvl-20-for-free/
World of Warcraft Starter Edition lets you reach lvl 20 for free
Quote: If there was one thing, one thing, keeping humanity safe from total enslavement to the grind of World of Warcraft, it was the fact that you have to pay to play the game for longer than a couple of weeks. Well, now we're all doomed. Blizzard is replacing its 14-day WoW trial with a so-called Starter Edition of the massively multiplayer life usurper, which lets you reach level 20 without shelling out a penny. Of course, like any good gateway drug, this freebie is capped at the thoroughly insufficient 20 number and is sure to agitate folks into buying the full product.
*THAT IS WERE THIS RTM PATH LEADS!*
Can you imagine that - here - to get you new players to play the start them off with 10,000,000 SP and a link to the NeX store for a ship of your choice with daddies credit card.
And don't think it can't happen!
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Zero GodOfDestruction
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:18:00 -
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well, i'm here to post for a while as the perpetuum server is full... Not a bad game though. Give them some time to upgrade their servers for the influx of ex-eve players and it will be awesome. NEX(the ex-eve players corporation) is already the biggest corp in the game. On a more important note, that question still needs to be answered.(I'm aware that their silence is due to their "meeting", but no matter how much spin you put on it, ignoring your playerbase is bad pr, especially considering a good number of new players hear about eve from word-of-mouth.)so here it is once again:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
This video is brilliant and is a must watch for anyone angry with what CCP has done and will do. "You the people have the power!" |

Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 29/06/2011 01:25:22
Originally by: Syrril I've been seriously thinking about cancelling my account because of all this crap. I haven't done it yet, but the nail in the coffin, methinks, is after ALL THIS TIME, you CCP reps still will not allow me to add a freaking SURNAME to my character. Even after you've separated first / last names, and made it pretty much mandatory for new players to have one. You want me to stay a loyal, paying customer after you've destroyed the trust of this community? Well then, give me the option to make a last name for myself. Seriously.
/emorage
/cancelsub
You think I'm kidding? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Personally I don't see why a player shouldn't be able to change the name of a character. Especially after a character has been sold.
edit: the one thing that has surprised me a lot is that ccp evidently hasn't considered adding in ship "crew". E.g. specially named NPC with their own set of stats that can help a ship and sold/hired only through the NEX. Like a shield specialist for a CNR pilot that helps with shield regen.
Not technically a P2W, but definitely a game-changer in many respects.
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Syrril
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: Syrril I've been seriously thinking about cancelling my account because of all this crap. I haven't done it yet, but the nail in the coffin, methinks, is after ALL THIS TIME, you CCP reps still will not allow me to add a freaking SURNAME to my character. Even after you've separated first / last names, and made it pretty much mandatory for new players to have one. You want me to stay a loyal, paying customer after you've destroyed the trust of this community? Well then, give me the option to make a last name for myself. Seriously.
/emorage
/cancelsub
You think I'm kidding? GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.
Personally I don't see why a player shouldn't be able to change the name of a character. Especially after a character has been sold.
Yeah, and this is my only real character. Not bought or sold. I have another that I barely play on the same account, but to be honest this is all I want. And as an RP fanatic it bugs me to no end when I log in and see first / last name characters, when at the time of creating this character, I don't think you could even put spaces in names yet (either that, or I just didn't realize it). Two attempts so far. Once about a year into my subscription, and the second right after Incursion. Both denied outright. Now, with all this hoopla about other things of major importance, you think they'd do something so ridiculously simple as this if it meant they get to keep a loyal customer. In other words, I want my damn last name, CCP!!!!
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Benri Konpaku
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:29:00 -
[12828]
Originally by: Zero GodOfDestruction
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul
edit: the one thing that has surprised me a lot is that ccp evidently hasn't considered adding in ship "crew". E.g. specially named NPC with their own set of stats that can help a ship and sold/hired only through the NEX. Like a shield specialist for a CNR pilot that helps with shield regen.
Not technically a P2W, but definitely a game-changer in many respects.
It is P2W and I am sure it has been considered. Long ago ship crews were a big "no" in Eve lore and from official sources. That has slowly changed over time. In the dev thread, where they were going to answer all those questions, it is a flat out yes. partly to match some books I suppose (never read any of em.) I wouldn't put it past 'em at this point to sell crew. Golden crew, golden ammo, golden boosters, all the same to me.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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RougeOperator
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: RougeOperator on 29/06/2011 01:50:05 Edited by: RougeOperator on 29/06/2011 01:48:18 The thing that really gets me about this is that when it came down to it the sub based model was profitable. Very profitable for them.
So its not like some other games where they needed to do MTs just to keep the game going. The sub based plan was very solid and making good money.
They however took on more then they could chew. And the sub based profits were eaten up bu the other games they put into development. While honestly neglecting eve. The sub model works. The price was right. Etc.
They only needed to do MTs cause they took on more then they could handle. Now its just abuse the player base for greed and desperation. EvE was very profitable without MTs. So saying that they need to put MTs in to make more money is pretty crap.
Again and always, if this is how they treat us now. Not looking forward to how they will treat us when we are not the only IP making money. Feels like EvE will be left to die once WoD takes off.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 01:55:10 I think it is funny how very few people have picked up on the DUST 514 MT for advantage tie in we are going to get.....
Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
Edit-- Do you really think CCP is going to back down on MT for advantage when they already designed Dust to change the Eve universe???
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.29 01:56:00 -
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A Dysfunctional Playground |

Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:00:00 -
[12833]
Hey CCP Pann was listening to this song from Asia - Only Time Will Tell. I thnk this part explains the situation perfectly from players point of view.
"I see it now becomes so clear Your insincerity And me all starry eyed You think that I would have known by now
Now sure as the sun will cross the sky This lie is over Lost like the tears that used to tide Me over"
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: RougeOperator Feels like EvE will be left to die IF WoD takes off.
FTFY. And I agree with your post wholeheartedly. Problem is, they'll get the SOE reputation in a hurry by treating players like that... who's going to buy an MMO by SOE these days, even if it looks great? Eve is/was big enough that the downfall of it alone will give them a permanent bad reputation in the gaming world.
The PR blunders we've seen have given us a true look at who CCP is, and what they want from players... be it Eve players, Dust players, or WoD players. They're going to rely on Eve because they're going to rely on Dust, so I'm betting we'll continue to see this sort of 'bare minimum' we've been seeing on expansions, bug fixes, PR, etc.
The simple analogy is CCP is trying to run before they can walk. They really only have the resources to develop 1 game at a time, and are trying to do 3. They can't afford it in any way (they are failing on budget, time, and quality as a company).
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:02:00 -
[12835]
Originally by: Vandrion Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 01:55:10 I think it is funny how very few people have picked up on the DUST 514 MT for advantage tie in we are going to get.....
Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
Edit-- Do you really think CCP is going to back down on MT for advantage when they already designed Dust to change the Eve universe???
That has not been lost on me, been saying it since the E3 news. How it manifests in Eve is at this time difficult to predict because we don't know all the links yet. Is it just ISK? What is the faucet/sink ratio in Dust, is Dust going to turn into a giant ISK vacuum? What reason do DustBunnies have to send any ISK back upstairs?
I suspect this is partly why they may have a difficult time in answering The Big Yellow Question, because MT P2W is coming to this 'eve-verse' in Dust. If they say "no never in Eve", but then say "yes for dust", then the marketing blurbs of "one universe/one war" start to look kind of thin. Rock meet hard place - And this assumes they were not going to try and slurp $cash from Eve in the first place.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
That's OK... Null sec is so screwed up right now that nobody but botters will be living there by the time they roll out Dust. I can't wait for Dust players to spend $10 just to blow up a hulk, because there will be nothing else to shoot.
I **** you not, living in empire and running level 4 missions is more profitable than living in places like Cloud Ring, especially after the agent quality change.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:10:00 -
[12837]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Vandrion Edited by: Vandrion on 29/06/2011 01:55:10 I think it is funny how very few people have picked up on the DUST 514 MT for advantage tie in we are going to get.....
Don't forget-- Dust will impact 0.0 sov!
Edit-- Do you really think CCP is going to back down on MT for advantage when they already designed Dust to change the Eve universe???
That has not been lost on me, been saying it since the E3 news. How it manifests in Eve is at this time difficult to predict because we don't know all the links yet. Is it just ISK? What is the faucet/sink ratio in Dust, is Dust going to turn into a giant ISK vacuum? What reason do DustBunnies have to send any ISK back upstairs?
I suspect this is partly why they may have a difficult time in answering The Big Yellow Question, because MT P2W is coming to this 'eve-verse' in Dust. If they say "no never in Eve", but then say "yes for dust", then the marketing blurbs of "one universe/one war" start to look kind of thin. Rock meet hard place - And this assumes they were not going to try and slurp $cash from Eve in the first place.
It isn't about the ISK. It is about the fact that DUST will be a game based on MT for advantage. Dusties will be able to buy with RL $$ upgraded gear. Upgraded gear gives them an advantage. Dust will have a yet to be specified impact on Eve per CCP in the RPS interview after E3 HERE.
I quote: "RPS: So, if IÆm an EVE player, how is my game going to change after DUST is released?
Torfi: Well, you have the ability to be more strategic when you are conquering planets and solar systems, in nulsec. Those are the main touchpoints. Highsec carebears need not worry. The same for lowsec. The main touchpoint upon the launch of DUST, will be in nulsec, will be in sovereignty, will be in inflicting damage and destruction and death upon your enemies, destroying their infrastructure and their means to survive, either by means or scorched earth or by stealing their installations on the surfaces of planets. There will be more going on on the surfaces of planets. WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
One Universe/One War/One more way for CCP to sneak $$$$ for advantage in!
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Viking Sven
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion "...WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Wow, I must have missed that before. The way I'm reading this, CCP intends to have Dust simply become the RMT way to claim space in nullsec, and current residents are either going to have to have a serious involvement in Dust or gtfo.
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Vandrion
Gallente The Collective B O R G
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:20:00 -
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Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Vandrion "...WeÆve introduced mechanics allowing people to manufacture goods on the planets, but planets will play a more pivotal role in sovereignty mechanics further down the line."
Wow, I must have missed that before. The way I'm reading this, CCP intends to have Dust simply become the RMT way to claim space in nullsec, and current residents are either going to have to have a serious involvement in Dust or gtfo.
I started my forum warrior ways with this thread after I read the Monocles or death blog... Looking back at it, I should have posted it in GD.....
RL $$$ Alter our Game.. Coming Soon
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Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2011.06.29 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Vandrion
It isn't about the ISK. It is about the fact that DUST will be a game based on MT for advantage. Dusties will be able to buy with RL $$ upgraded gear. Upgraded gear gives them an advantage. Dust will have a yet to be specified impact on Eve per CCP in the RPS interview after E3 HERE.
You're correct, it's not about the ISK, not for CCP, for them it is about the $cash. It may be about the ISK for alliances though, if they are forced into positions where they have to flood their DustMercs with ISK, and if Aurum can be transferred between Eve and Dust ... Big Yellow Question is a dangerous one, regardless of what they had intended for the Internet Space Ships side of things.
Dust hopefully have a reason to send wealth backup stairs, cause if not, it could be ... bad.
My faith in CCP will return SoonÖ We'll watch what you do not what you say.
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