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Manos Heimenbarger
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:05:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Originally by: CCP Manifest I am at post 325.
On the one hand, I'm impressed
On the other, I'm stupified
Maybe he'll speed up a bit when he gets to the posts which keep asking the same question over and over.
It makes a strong statement at least. It's an important question and a lot of people's in-game future is hinging on it.
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Vile'er
Ungrateful Vile
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:05:00 -
[1262]
in recent times we have had 2 new ship skins... because we dont have enough artists.. yet we are being promised several new clothing items for $ each week?
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Tric Starless
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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1) Your monthly subscription price is one of the highest around. 2) I HATE the idea of a Real Money Micro Transaction Store in a GAME I ALREADY PAY A SUBSCRIPTION FOR. 3) Your vanity item content should be included in that subscription price. 4) Your MT store makes me feel like you're cheating me out of content that would otherwise be included in the subscription. 5) I feel like the development is being misdirected by a bunch of greedy business guys who probably don't even play the game. 6) I think your MT Team should leave EVE alone, and reassigned to 'Other Projects' (DUST and WoD).
Also: We told you on Sisi people would hate this patch with a passion. You didn't listen. We told you the major technical and design things that were broken. You didn't listen. The last few major patches are introducing bugs that simply reek of incompetence, and MANY of which are still not fixed. You need to fix them. This indicates an appalling lack of competence in your design, art, and development staff. As if the people making the decisions to install some of this stuff into production don't even play the game, AND NEVER HAVE. It's a situation that should not be allowed to continue.
And it's not even just this patch. The recent 'new forums' fiasco just reeked of incompetence. And from the way the new ones that are up for test now look, only the minimal changes necessary to fix it were done. Changes for lip service only, but not changes made in the spirit of actually doing a good job.
Sorry for the Angry Tone, but lousy business politics from people who don't care about their product, incompetence, greed, and sheer laziness irritate me. Not saying everyone there are like this, but obviously enough to sabatoge the product. It only takes a few in key 'driving force' or 'decision making' positions to ruin a whole company. Best of Luck anyway.
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Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
[1264]
Edited by: Neo Omni on 24/06/2011 03:10:42
3 main issues:
1. If the future direction of EVE is to be able to purchase your way through the game -I'm not talking about vanity items- but rather like skill-points, standings, presently manufacturer-able ships and ammo, neural re-maps, and other elements that define the EVE "grind," then I want no part of it. That in itself is game breaking and defines an entirely different game...not EVE.
2. I sincerely believe Incarna wrecked my computer with heating issues. I shudder at the possibility of testing out any new "fixes" or "patches" and I wont be as my sub runs out in a few days. Hardware protection should be carefully considered when developing your code. Not everyone has the latest chips/gfx cards but that should not be the issue. I keep a clean, well-ventilated rig that is not overclocked. It is just a few years old with components that are still currently sold and used (2008 to present stock of hardware). Yet my motherboard somehow died when I was trying out Incarna on SiSi.
CCP has a long history of having the customer be the primary bug hunter and tester of your product. THAT needs to stop. Yes, we can provide feedback, but to release a product just to meet a dead line, knowing full well how flawed it is with the hopes of addressing it later is just wrong.
3. Presently indications show that CCP is not concerned with the direction we the player want EVE to go in, but rather what your "think-tank," if it can be called that, wants it to go.
Naturally CCP wants to make a profit...nothing wrong with that. But for years players have wanted "fixes" over "new-content." That has yet to manifest itself IMO and we feel "ignored" in the process.
Those are my main issues with EVE.
Respectfully yours,
Neo Omni
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Ashen Angel
Minmatar Scarey Contractors
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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I don't expect an answer that will matter. It can be truth or lies, time will tell.
If EVE is still around in a year... or more I might return if it's not pay to win.
If you break the core game from earn it if you want it to buy it. I'll never be back.
EVE has always been a niche game, and to do something this bad after the playerbase letting you know it was a bad idea...
Not to mention using the players as pre-alpha testers of your graphics engine for another game (by slapping a couple strips of scotch tape on to link it to another game, and then selling vanity items in a clear money grab...)
I was wondering if you had money problems, now I know you will have them...
The bad publicity is spreading like wildfire on the net. Forums, blogs, twitter, gaming sites, etc. The internet makes word of mouth a hell of a lot faster in regards to sinking a company.
Time will tell, till then best of luck. You're going to need it.
EveBoard Link
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Andrew Charante
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
[1266]
Originally by: Words Words Words
Originally by: Ahrman Vanaheim
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: TV Evangelist
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Follow up: How do you define a Vanity item?
The only question(s) that matter.
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JoeBear770
Amarr Faster Muffins
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
Ok found it, yes the leaked document is real in case anybody missed it earlier.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
[1268]
Originally by: Tipsy
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Soundwave will NOT be fired nor should he.
I think people with calmer heads (no offence to those who lack them) would recognise that CCP needs to be able to have free internal discussions even if their content isn't currently palatable to their customers. I'm not wild about microtransactions but I'd rather that than EVE dying off entirely.
I hope Soundwave hasn't taken any of this *****ing about him/pictures of him on fire () to heart. People have some genuine complaints but I really don't think the ones being critical of him personally speak for the majority.
Agreed. team BFF has done, and will hopefully continue to do great work in eve. And I enjoyed his presentation of AT9. However if the opinion in the leaked doc is true, and it hasn't been stated publicly for fear of the outcry (a valid fear it turns out) then that is cowardice, either by CCP the company, and or by those who hold this opinion in it. We don't know the circs under which the doc was created, and how strong, or representative the views in it are... Which is why we need a response from those that do know. --------
By Grfmsv÷tn, Eyjafjallaj÷kull, Vatnaj÷kull, and Hekla itself... THIS is my sig.
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b1zz
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Iamien Edited by: Iamien on 24/06/2011 02:53:36
Originally by: b1zz
Originally by: Iurnan Mileghere
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
If they did, how would it be any different from current system: - Buy plex with real money - Buy ready made character with purchased plex proceeds - Buy awesome ship
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I must be missing something.
I guess if they made the unique items only available to AURA customers...?
Effort of players went into making that awesome ship and character, thus there is a limit to supply.
AURA items come from nowhere, CCP makes them at will.
I don't think they can just 'insert from nowhere' items into the market without causing havoc - it would be dangerous.
How about this:
CCP, link the AURA market to the player economy so players can earn real money from Eve, then just take a cut of the profits.
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Gashblight
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
[1270]
Originally by: CCP Manifest Still reading. Progress? I am at post 325.
Is there any plan to actually address ANY of the issues in this thread tonight?
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Planetary Genocide
Gallente White Sail Anarchists
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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Ooh, there is another point I want to make. It's been stated multiple times by Trebor and Seleene that the CSM was not consulted on things like the :$99: or the MT prices... what's up with that? They're the sodding CSM, isn't that something that you're supposed to, y'know, let them know about?
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usrevenge
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
[1272]
this please or i'l cry
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Garreth Vlox
Minmatar Blackened Skies
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Cake Majestic CCP - please don't break our game.
I love Eve, it's an amazing place. Some of the recent changes have been awesome, turrets for example, and the simple change of the way we leave our station. But please, please, don't break our game.
Look at the community now. Broken and raging because of fear that they will lose what the love. Why would you go against that? It actually makes sense to keep your players, because Eve players will buy Dust, and Eve players will try WoD. Of course they will, they'll be curious.
Just don't break our game.
correction: eve players might have bought those games, but now given CCP's total disregard to any serious questions and the joking pointless responses by your PR dept. im removing both from my list of games to get, why would i force myself to indure more of ccp's failures?
this is something you idiots need to think about before you do stupid GREEDY things like MT's, if you **** ppl off enough they not only stop using your product and cease to purchase it in the future, but far more importantly they go to all those gaming websites where you advertise and they tell everybody not to get it and link threads like this to show ppl what a bunch of underhanded shortsighted morons you really are when theres money concerned
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Trading Company ISK Six
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Still reading. Progress? I am at post 325.
Good luck, you might catch up to the thread in about two days at this rate ...
I might as well mention again since I'm posting that this rage boils down to an issue with the direction of the company. There may not be much that CCP can do about it at this point for various reasons, but it has to be dealt with. No tiptoeing around the elephant anymore. ______________________________
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DMV Clerk
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
[1275]
Originally by: CCP Manifest Still reading. Progress? I am at post 325.
Here are the cliff notes bro:
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
Follow up: How do you define a Vanity item? |
Los Quinton
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
[1276]
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen They are likely as divided and upset as we are, and they have an immense amount of work to do, and there is little room for error.
Hans, have you picked up a pitch fork and joined us?
Hope not. E-rage is very unprofessionial.
Spouse: Come to bed. Eve Player: No, I'm mad. I will not let this thread die... Spouse: Please? I'm lonely... Eve Player: Hush, you are interupting my F5 key hammering...
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Lilliana Stelles
Caldari Nagrom Security Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
[1277]
I'll play the devil's advocate and side with CCP on the newsletter. But this opens up a bunch of new questions.
Lets assume CCP is going to keep going in the direction it's currently headed and increase micropayment transactions. I'm personally fine with this, as I've played many games that rely entirely on micropayments. I think it's a brilliant system; however, I'm wondering how much thought has been put into some of it.
Why are the items (outside of the monocle) so generic? They're ordinary pieces of clothing. Shouldn't ordinary items be added as FREE updates to the character creator? I'd expect micropayments to bring outlandish, insanely custom and elite items and those prices. Such as elegant dresses, sexy exotic-dancer wear, cool trenchcoats, tuxedos, or sci-fi pilot suits. Currently, the items available in NEX are too similar in quality to free items to justify the prices.
Finally, why, exactly, are the prices so high? That's everyone's question. You sell more stuff if your prices are lower. Much more. Players WILL buy ten times the item if they're 1/10th the price. How many people do you see with monocles? I've seen two on the forums altogether. They're probably be several dozen in this thread alone if they were only $6, however. Nothing, should, under ANY circumstances, cost more than the game itself.
I also think you should specify what, exactly, money from micropayments is intended to fund. If NEX items are used to fund an art team that only works on NEX items, then no development time from core game features is lost. However, most players are afraid that SUBSCRIPTIONS will fund NEX items. (And that will turn out the be the case if the prices aren't lowered, since none will be sold).
What, if anything, will be the benefit to players from these micropayments? I don't mean in-game benefits, but what are we actually paying for? Increased and speedier development? Reduced subscription costs? More free unique-redeemable items? If you want players to embrace microtransactions, there needs to be an obvious benefit to players. Remember that for everything that costs money, there should be at least twice as many free things added to the game. The micropayment items' quality should be higher and these items should be more exclusive.
Does CCP plan to offer faster character progression through micropayments? This is the big question on everyone's mind. How will this "greed" affect gameplay? I'm not opposed to something similar to the officers edition of EVE, whereas you get a super-implant, but players probably won't react kindly to money-for-sp. Micropayment funded stat reallocation, on the other hand, would likely be accepted.
Sorry if anything I've said is redundant, I'm reading back through the thread and have only made it halfway so far.
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Amira Kornova
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
[1278]
The bigwigs are probably creating accounts to see what the fuss is all about.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Jonny Utrigas Probably would have gotten better, more informative posts from the CCPers if there wasn't SO MUCH ****ING COPY PASTA. Plus, if you read a single wall of text post, the thread grew by 1-2 pages. No wonder they gave up.
Not white knighting, still ****ed about the newsletter of fail, but I had hoped to see a useful response from the Devs.
Thing is, the white knights and minority-issue sp-eds tend to drown constructive criticism in their own spam. Thus you need BIG YELLOW TEXT and quoting to overcome it.
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Michael Eads
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Snake Scofield Edited by: Snake Scofield on 24/06/2011 02:28:45 How many pages without a blue response?
It's obvious they've given up on the idea of trying to parley with a crowd of children. Nice work. Sit here *****ing and moaning about no CCP response, and when they show up it's all "Heads must roll", "Soundwave must die," "BOLD FACED WITTICISM".
I feel sorry for CCP having to deal with you people. Just don't bother.
\/ Oh look, rainbow colour, in case they somehow missed it the first time.
How can you defend a company that openly admits to publishing a internal newsletter than says "lets ****ing milk our customers as much as possible to support WOD and DUST"?. I regret renewing last night and **** CCP. Greediest piece of **** company ive EVER seen.
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Bubanni
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest Still reading. Progress? I am at post 325.
Stop reading and start answering... no human can keep up with reading all the posts being made... because this is such a major concern for every single player in eve...
Answere the huge yellow question... I think that's the first step... then make CQ optional... as in leaving pod as an option and ship spin if available again
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Che Jin
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:08:00 -
[1282]
Originally by: Andrew Charante
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The answer is YES. Look on page five of "Fearless - Greed is Good". It is part of the CCP corporate plan for EVE and subsequent MMO's:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.... Incarna and flying in space... are merely aspects of the EVE Online experience; in virtual sales, as in development as a whole, we must all adopt this way of thinking."
Julian Assange couldn't have done a better job exposing this dirty little secret. Everyone who subs up for EVE Online needs to read that document and decide for yourself if EVE is still going to be the game you've been playing, or quite possibly the game you used to play before CCP changed it.
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Katra Novac
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:08:00 -
[1283]
I don't envy him reading all this lot, at the rate of posting will he ever catch up.
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Ancyker
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:08:00 -
[1284]
Originally by: b1zz
CCP, link the AURA market to the player economy so players can earn real money from Eve, then just take a cut of the profits.
Works in theory, not in practice. Credit card fraud makes it next to impossible. Fraud payments, launder to legit account, turn into clean money.
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Zag'mar Jurkar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:08:00 -
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micropayment (redirected from Microtransaction) Also found in: Dictionary/thesaurus, Wikipedia 0.01 sec. micropayment
An electronic commerce transaction of very low value. It may refer to charging just a few cents or even a fraction of a cent for a transaction such as an information lookup. It may also refer to aggregating several small-value purchases and charging a credit card at the end of the day or some other period for the total amount. See microcommerce.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/Microtransaction
60$ is far from micro.
Also, read the yellow/rainbow text.
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Bomberlocks
Minmatar CTRL-Q
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:08:00 -
[1286]
Originally by: CCP Pann The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.
Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
Until you do get someone to answer that question, the clock is ticking. In my case 9 days. --------------------- Countdown to sub running out: 9 |
Bloodpetal
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Bloodpetal on 24/06/2011 03:13:45
As long as I have a chance of getting someones response, can I get these questions answered?
Ok, CCP, I get it about the monocle...
"It has economy simplicity, low production cost, and potential for mass appeal. And all that spells out great profitibality."
"But the great part is we don't have to charge an arm and a leg." *cough*
Can CCP answer these questions about the monocle?
What if you tire before it's done? Does it have rules? Can more than one play? What makes you think it's a game? IS IT a game? Will it break? It better break eventually! Is there an object? Does it come with batteries? Could we charge extra for them? Is it safe for toddlers? How do you know when you're finished? How do you make it stop? Is that a boy's model? Can a parent assemble it? Is there a larger model for the obese? What the hell is it?
And, did you really expect THIS reaction? Is that why you made us wait?
P.S. Can we get some more thrown out the window jokes? ____________________________________________________ Cost of the week of June 21st |
Apollo Gabriel
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels Etherium Cartel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:09:00 -
[1288]
Originally by: CCP Manifest
Originally by: Majuan Shuo Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 24/06/2011 01:18:12
Originally by: CCP Pann
Hi, everyone
As I see it, the chief complaint is regarding the high cost of goods in the Nobel Market.
Then you are blind, go get us someone else.
You have to admit that some people are vexed about the high cost of the monocle... but not because they would buy one at 3/4 the cost.
I think Pann might have mistyped (as she did with Nobel/Noble) and put that instead of NeX/Microtransaction. That's the chief concern atm, and of course there are the other more immediate ones and of course the longer tail concerns that many of you have mentioned here.
Thank god they untied your hands Manifest, thank you for posting.
AG
***** Signature may appear without warning! ***** Please do not feed the trolls, it builds dependency.
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PyroChemist
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:09:00 -
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Double whammy week for CCP -- first the small WTF of charging 3rd party developers $99 for profiting (in any way) from their free work, and now the micro transaction one.
Lots of CLEAR answers needed CCP, from the people who were signing off on these decisions.
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Tea Ester Elliot
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Posted - 2011.06.24 03:09:00 -
[1290]
Originally by: Che Jin
Originally by: Andrew Charante
Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?
The answer is YES. Look on page five of "Fearless - Greed is Good". It is part of the CCP corporate plan for EVE and subsequent MMO's:
"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization: some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright.... Incarna and flying in space... are merely aspects of the EVE Online experience; in virtual sales, as in development as a whole, we must all adopt this way of thinking."
Julian Assange couldn't have done a better job exposing this dirty little secret. Everyone who subs up for EVE Online needs to read that document and decide for yourself if EVE is still going to be the game you've been playing, or quite possibly the game you used to play before CCP changed it.
I believe the hope is that tomorrow's BIG NEWZ will be "we totally changed our minds, next expansion is all spaceships and no more arum." With a possible side of "oh and CQ = optional hotfix will be in asap."
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