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centurion zulu
Phantom Squad Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:36:00 -
[13201]
I also think the CSM is wasting their time, other than having some good party time while they are there of coarse.
Only self satisfaction I will get out of all this is that CCP will be getting less money from me. If it doesn't change in a different direction, they will be getting none.
After all, that's all we really have that they want. ROFL
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Luckytania
Gallente Bullets of Justice
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:38:00 -
[13202]
Originally by: Kailithi
Don't hold your hopes up 'cos :
Quote: @Trebor_csm NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
On day one (CURRENT MT) they took it up the back passage. If they are sore now, what are they going to be like tomorrow when they discuss what's coming NeXt (FUTURE MT) ?
Ah, but they are "less butthurt".
Doesn't that make you feel better?
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Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:43:00 -
[13203]
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow The first day's meetings are winding down. We spent the whole day discussing first the CQ and performance issues, and the initial rollout of the NEX and vanity goods.
Some of the discussions were passionate but not angry. Some very positive things came out, and I think the groundwork was laid for a successful day 2, in which we will discuss the future of microtransactions in EVE.
We are trying to keep people updated on general progress on twitter (#csm6) but the details will have to wait until after the summit. We intend to get information out as soon as humanly possible.
Best, Trebor
I wonder who made the agenda, or we're just fools expecting something else, from the looks of it, CCP already had the plan on Non-Vanity or Gaming Changing Items to be introduced in the NeX, and they're not budging from that decision. Because if not, it should have been the first on the agenda, then if both parties agree at one point or another, then Non-Vanity items and its pricing will be discussed.
If you start with the "Vanity Items and its pricing" route, it means the discussion or the meeting will end with "what Non-Vanity/Game-Changing items should be considered out of NeX." I believe CCP already have a list of Items to be part of the NeX at this point, the discussion will only be what will and will not be introduced.
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Kewso
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:52:00 -
[13204]
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A Dysfunctional Playground |
quite cute kinda
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:55:00 -
[13205]
My jita is burning sense is tingling.
CCP Fallout:My understanding is that a blog is being worked on. I don';t know what the ETA of it is, as the Community team has been too busy handling war declarations from various countries. |
Kailithi
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:56:00 -
[13206]
lmao. The CSM need to pay need to this one on twitter :
Quote: @PoeticStanziel To the #csm6 ... don't go and get bloody drunk tonight. Tomorrow is important. Be clear-headed and on your toes. Not hungover. #tweetfleet
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Vicar2008
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Posted - 2011.06.30 17:59:00 -
[13207]
Tbh,
I think this issue was just the straw that broke the Camels back, please also discuss getting some much needed fixing of the game sorted also. Things such as MoonGoo, Supers, Ship rebalances etc etc, the list is pretty dam big and no one yet seems to be even looking fixing them.
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Daisy Warkorr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:03:00 -
[13208]
Like Nero, CCP are playing the fiddle whilst Eve burns.
Incarnage was the single worst thing to happen to Eve except for CCP's LACK OF response to customer concerns about it.
The game's screwed unless they rollback Incarna and listen to the players.
Whatever happened to customer care?
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NR dino
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:22:00 -
[13209]
Originally by: Moria Kethar Greetings CCP
I had considered not getting involved in this discussion (or more everyone yelling and no one answering) and remaining a lurker before this account runs out of time in a week and a half - I have already canceled the reoccurring subscription due to the abhorrent behavior of your representatives and attitude of your company toward the player base.
My decision to leave was not based purely on the recent revelations - but they did spurn the final decision I had been debating. I came to Eve for the player-run economy and universe, the spaceships, the community and the sheer mind-boggling depth of the game compared to other MMO's. This was a game where what mattered most was brains and the will to put them to work - you could be a trader, miner, explorer, pirate, whatever you wanted to. IF you worked for it.
The revelations of the past week have been nauseating - the Incarna launch and all the issues therein with the annoying, slow and resource intensive CQ interface, the Fearless newsletter revelations, the dreadful blog posts from Developers, the email evidence that the CEO does not understand the game/product or community at a basic level, and forum posts. Everything continually avoid answering THE question with a simple yes or no.
Let me make it crystal clear what the question is for myself and many others: "Will CCP at any point offer the ability for players to bypass in-game mechanics (earning SP/Standings), the player-controlled economy (items) or otherwise purchase --any-- form of game-effecting benefit for IRL money?"
This has not been a difficult question to answer in the past (see CCP Shadow, this time last year) but apparently it is impossible now to obtain a straight answer. Indeed, it appears that every single person who has addressed the community has worked very hard to avoid providing a straight, simple answer. One would think that simply saying "No, nothing of this nature is going to happen." would be faster, simpler and leave far fewer doubts in your players minds. All in all, the avoidance makes anything you and your representatives have to say extremely difficult to believe.
This very thread was started with the supposed intention of "parlaying" with the player base. Very little real communication, negotiation or debate with --us-- of any kind has happened. While my best wishes are with CCP Pann - you have other employees who could have stepped up to talk to us. Indeed, the primary communication has informed us that we are (in the eyes of CCP) being unreasonable or overreacting.
The very real impression I have is that EVE is viewed as a cash cow to be milked by CCP for as long as possible until Dust or WoD is online. That there is no real direction for improving Eve itself or evolving Eve further within the context of this wonderful universe that exists. It is simultaneously the pay-to-test bed for the technology that will go into these new games and will also provide the funds for those games.
All this, combined with ongoing ---gameplay--- issues that CCP has continually failed to address for years now. The painfully serious balance issues between faction ships, weapons (can anyone say hybrids?) combined with myrid other issues that have been ongoing for ages that no amount of prettying the stations will resolve. Gameplay -NEEDS- to come first in any game if it is to be a success.
What feeling do new Gallente players have when they get told for the first time that their faction ships are worthless, and to start training toward flying a Drake or just /unsub?
Reinforcing this is staggering self-delusion within the company re: the state - from the now infamous Hilmar email and the Dev blog posts. It seems that those making the decisions have little to no interest in resolving the issues that strike the heart of the game because they see the game as being 'premium' already.
(tl:dr) - I won't be the golden goose with game play issues that you kill to pay for other game
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RavenNyx
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:25:00 -
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So, MT is here to stay...
@ the entire CSM: You just lost EvE... Did you even rip CCP a new one for introducing MT, after having lied about it? How can any form of explanation of the MT make me feel less butthurt, when I _KNOW_ CCP thinks of me as a money-maker, and tries to squeeze me for even more cash (they even wrote that in clear text "somewhere")? CCP F'ed up - BIG TIME. _CCP_ needs to make amends. The players, through the CSM needs to admit or accept nothing what-so-ever. Please, members of the CSM; let CCP know that THEY are the ones who need to listen, not you. We, the players/customers, have promised nothing, and will never promise anything - that's not how a business-relationship like this works. You are there to demand stuff on behalf of the players. You need to let CCP know that the customers will stop paying if they don't get their act together. THAT'S why you are there, CSM-delegates, atleast if you feel you are representing THIS player.
CCP is lying, being condecending and viewing the players of New Eden as their subjects, not the *customers* who actually pays their bills... How can anything short of an immediate removal of MTs all together and a sincere apology make me feel LESS butthurt?
I don't wanna' hear about diplomacy, or politics. I don't wanna' read about "agreements". I want a HUGE apology from the CEO of CCP, and legally binding contract written in blood (or some video with Hilmar himself that can be downloaded/saved in some way), that any micro/macro-transactions in EvE Online, will NOT go beyond vanity-items, EVER. I want a copy of AEON-magazine with an apology, so CCP feels less inclined to run away from their promises. And even then I will view anything with a CCP logo on it with sceptisism for a long time to come. How can I do anything else?
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Teya Ihara
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Daisy Warkorr
The game's screwed unless they rollback Incarna and listen to the players.
Are some of you people really this naive? You *already know* they aren't going to "roll back Incarna", they aren't going to completely remove the new NEX store, MT will be here to stay, its merely a matter of extent at this point. You already have the answer to what you want done, it's not happening. I know CCP created part of this ****storm by clamming up about it, but with the way this forum community reacts I don't blame them.
At this point you already know the answer to your demand of rolling back Incarna, don't be dumb. The CSM have a very important job of communicating to CCP that the audience they need to keep will not support MT for non-vanity items. Personally, with reasonable prices I'd probably buy some vanity items (ship paints/skins, maybe clothes, whatever) because who cares, to me ISK is funny money. The line has to be drawn at "gold ammo" in EVE specifically. No ships, stat boosts, gameplay advantage etc are acceptable here. THAT is what the CSM will need to focus on for day 2. This is what people SHOULD be concerned with.
Day 1 from the tone in the tweet updates was a lot of setup for going into day 2, which is fine. What I'm expecting, or demanding is a well thought out explanation of where MT is headed in EVE, with maybe some touches on performance of the CQ, ship spinning, and other issues that arose. Just stop being ridiculous, they aren't rolling back Incarna, no matter how much you ***** about it. The *****ing has served its purpose and hopefully we'll get some answers to the stuff we need to know about.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:29:00 -
[13212]
Originally by: Luckytania Unfortunately, pretty sure I've read that Seleene was not able to make this trip. No idea if CCP offered any sort of remote real-time participating, but I doubt it.
Seleene_EVE Seleene @ @Rotosequence No. RL in the way of it. Lots of preparation communications going on tho and I'll be phoned in for some of it.
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Barbie D0ll
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:51:00 -
[13213]
bumping for ponies
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Lando Storm
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:52:00 -
[13214]
i just realized that i have been following this thread but have yet to post on the Thread to end all Theads.
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Lindsay Logan
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:55:00 -
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Canasa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Saving Face It was one simple question... fail CSM is fail.
Jeez! If you voted CSM in, you have to believe they're representing your views. If you you didn't then you've no right to complain.
Thanks for the update Trebor and GL for tomorrow. Don't forget all of us... :)
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Wonder Pets
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Wonder Pets I don't know if this has been linked and I'm not going to read through 400+ pages to find out...lol. Cast your vote.... http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1395464&page=1
Bumping..... Is this a Democracy?? We'll see.
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Darius Sokarad
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Posted - 2011.06.30 18:59:00 -
[13218]
@Trebor_csm (16.56) NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
"...if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us..."
WTF? So in short CSM is now in support of NeX, the current pricing structure, future expansions to include non-vanity items, and all that on top of what I would have been paying in sub fees if I were still subscribed - is that about right?
That must be some powerful good explaining they have there. It just glosses over all our concerns and problems with the current situation (which includes far more than just the price of imaginary items in hard currency) and makes it all better. I think I need some of that and I wonder why I didn't get it from the beginning.
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Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Darius Sokarad @Trebor_csm (16.56) NEX store / pricing meeting winding down. Tough, but if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us, less butthurt #csm6 #tweetfleet
"...if CCP explains to you the way they explained to us..."
WTF? So in short CSM is now in support of NeX, the current pricing structure, future expansions to include non-vanity items, and all that on top of what I would have been paying in sub fees if I were still subscribed - is that about right?
That must be some powerful good explaining they have there. It just glosses over all our concerns and problems with the current situation (which includes far more than just the price of imaginary items in hard currency) and makes it all better. I think I need some of that and I wonder why I didn't get it from the beginning.
No, the explanation was in fact simple: > "If you don't agree you'd stay in an Igloo and you're swimming home, you know how cold the water is, do you?" < CCP's way of making you agree...
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:18:00 -
[13220]
Originally by: quite cute kinda My jita is burning sense is tingling.
They have an ointment for that now....
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 -
[13221]
Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: quite cute kinda My jita is burning sense is tingling.
They have an ointment for that now....
NEX Jita ointment 1,000 AUR
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Boaz Hedion Merkava Apparently ship spinning / the old hangar is never coming back.
Thats enough for me. No interest whatsoever in WIS or being forced to load the environment, I'm a spaceship not a ken doll. The last 7 years has been great fun and I'll miss a lot of people but the game is going where I do not wish to go. The last of my 8 accounts expires in 4 days.
bye.
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Highlander20s
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 -
[13223]
Thought you might like this
Linkage
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Van Doren
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Posted - 2011.06.30 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Alejan Gerakh Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 30/06/2011 17:12:05
Originally by: Saving Face It was one simple question... fail CSM is fail.
They said they're taking a whole bloody day to argue the point. Sheesh.
Let them have their rounds. When all is said and done and you still think there's bull$#!t, just leave.
Yes (when), no. End of story and drama. Why does it need a whole day?
That's all 3/4 of protesters needed. We lived with failed expansions in the past, heck, even the boot.ini was a more spectacular failure than the little problems of Incarna.
But that MT crap is the summum of the farce... if it takes a whole day of arguments about non-vanity stuff, you can be sure it's there and will show up at one point or another. The question then becomes:
WHEN!!
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Domina Santa
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:01:00 -
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Sometimes throwing a brick can be useful:
Lets see if CCP likes the bricks as much as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TqBSI8ZBzQ
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:10:00 -
[13226]
Here is my Parley. I just unsubbed all 4 of my accounts.
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Marcus Vorenius
Caldari Task Force 42
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:21:00 -
[13227]
My last post here: please make your voice heard on Twitter - if you include #eveonline and #fail we will capture the data.
cya
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Daisy Warkorr
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Daisy Warkorr on 30/06/2011 20:42:16 Spot the fanbois!
Originally by: Teya Ihara
You *already know* they aren't going to "roll back Incarna", they aren't going to completely remove the new NEX store, MT will be here to stay, its merely a matter of extent at this point. You already have the answer to what you want done, it's not happening. I know CCP created this ****storm by clamming up about it, but with the way this forum community reacts I don't blame them.
Personally, with reasonable prices I'd probably buy some vanity items (ship paints/skins, maybe clothes, whatever) because who cares, to me ISK is funny money.
Another CCP fanbois whose bending over faster than a catamite ready to give CCP the reach-around.
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ep0c x
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:47:00 -
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Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
Micro transactions are not fundamentally evil, nor is Incarna. Things change, games like eve change and the market they operate in changes. People need to stop fearing change.
Before I played eve the idea you could drop a load of cash and buy a pimped-out character that would -always- greatly exceed anything any character made in the last two years could do, I'd have stopped reading about the game right there. Still, here I am, having put no ú besides my sub into eve and having a great time.
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Highlander20s
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Posted - 2011.06.30 20:49:00 -
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It would have been good to see tonight as the evening before ccp give us an answer the night that all stood together 1 more time in the protest in jita
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