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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:00:00 -
[2761]
Edited by: Teako on 24/06/2011 11:03:03
For CCP to even try to make up for this I would personally require the following:
1. Microtransactions compltely gone, forever. We already pay the highest price for any MMO out there. And the game has absolutely nothing to offer to even excuse anything higher. It should on the other hand be way under 10$/10Ç now for such a stale game.
2. Allocate resources to the game. The last few years it feels like 5 people are working on EvE. 5 might even be too high. We get a new ship model every half year, nothing much if any fixed. And then there this broken WoD engine. And 1 single CQ and nothing more just for the Aurum shop. You could just aswell have throw poop in our faces and it wouldnt be as bad.
3. There needs to roll heads. Its not an option its a requirement. People with the wrong visions and bad attitudes just cant stay.
4. Keep Dust away from EvE, You already selctedc a closed platform and made sure interaction would be a nightmare at best. I guess you avoided PC and Xbox for the greed again. While putting Dust so far from EvE that they dont belong together.
5. Give us back ship spinning and early station environments. They had more game atmosphere than the lame stuff you simplified over the years. I remember gallente station with cityi motion, calls in the speaker and so on. Not just a dead buzzing place. Or even worse with teh CQ jail.
6. Undumb the game. Making eve dumber and dumber all the time aint helping. We aint playing WoW here.
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Doom Sentinel
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:00:00 -
[2762]
 Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Perhaps it's time we formed a union, much like a labour union. So we can collectively strike and pressure when we get screwed over...
-Heli
we can call it.... the CSM!
Except that CSM does neither of these things.
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lilol' me
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:01:00 -
[2763]
Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Riflin' Betty
Perhaps it's time we formed a union, much like a labour union. So we can collectively strike and pressure when we get screwed over...
-Heli
we can call it.... the CSM!
Lol yeah and that works well! NOT!
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William Walker
Amarr
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:01:00 -
[2764]
Originally by: Tehlana Riolis
Edited by: Tehlana Riolis on 24/06/2011 10:43:13
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
To make the question clear:
Will there ever be in-game items (ships, mods, ammo, etc) OR specific mechanics (faction, SOV, etc) for purchase using AUR?
Just answer the question, yes or no
Seriously, at this point that's the only question you need to answer ... and it needs to be answered NOW.
This is all I need to know and want to know!!!
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Clone Whisper
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:01:00 -
[2765]
Edited by: Clone Whisper on 24/06/2011 11:03:06
Could the people wanting to rant please do so in a different post, and those that have something to say and want to Quote please only quote the parts that are relevant so this post can become a bit more clear and would actualy become feasable to have some back and forth communication in an attempt to get some more answers?
Originally by: CCP Manifest
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Features that many players want are ignored, while decisions that are questionable at best are made without regard to the concerns of the community.
I won't make excuses for those features we know are much wanted or the ones people want us to go back and "fix". Heck, I want some of them. Soundwave and Eyjo and Dropbear and TonyG and Fallout want them too. BUT, making and designing and creating a game isn't pick and choose, especially when it comes to introducing something like Incarna or devoting significant dev time to rewriting old code backbone so we can grow again in the future. We know the other stuff is wanted. We know Incarna is also wanted and are working towards what many of you have wanted out of it. It just takes time.
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Does this mean you are confessing your system of creating content is failed, as you put priority of creating content above fixing content that's previousely released what needs to be fixed first? I've been looking around in htese forums ever since i've started EVE to have a grasp of what's going on behind the screens and within the community, and how often has your player base asked, pleded and begged to first fix the problems that EVE is and was facing before releasing any more content?
- Wooker Tosk - Address the internal newsletter, and enact a change in direction or else anything you have to say means nothing, and you'll keep losing subs.
- CCP Manifest - That's the plan.
What's more likely is that there's going to be an extra level of security preventing any further possibilities on leaks.
Having said this, my opinion is to make this mewsletter of yours a PUBLIC newsletter from now on. Present the playerbase with a more clear view of what's going on behind the screens and what everyone behind the marble desks is concocting, prior to releasing it.
The CSM is the voice of EVE, they are the ones that represent us. It's their job to listen to us and relay the information and feedback they get from us to you (CCP). In order to make this work you will have to shine a light on what ever it is that you are cooking up behind the screens and actualy give the player bace something to discuss with the CSM so they can do their job and represent us.
It's not fair to them to be elected and than be forbidden to communicate with the people they are representing about what's going on behind the screens. I say, truely make the CSM the voice of the community tehy are suposed to represent and stop having them be barricaded in their movement to do their jobs.
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Rhivre
Caldari
TarNec
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:02:00 -
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Posting as one of the ones not raging.
While I feel the newletter leak was damaging, I don't necessarily feel as strongly as others about the mention of ammo etc for aur, with ONE proviso, that these items are able to be traded through the market.
I would have an issue with standing for AUR, and I have concerns about ammo for AUR as it would not be created by players. This is my main concern. The main thing for me about Eve is that players create (almost) everything. This should not change for modules, ships etc.
I love CQ, and the potential interactions of WiS when it is implemented, and microtransactions are for people with too much isk and/or plex.
Maybe some use RL money directly to buy monocles, the same as some maybe use RL money directly to buy Faction / Officer modules. Provided I get the opportunity to buy these if they are resold through the market, then I don't have an issue with it.
The delay in coming to the forum from CCP is another matter, but again, I know how these things work, and I would have been extremely surprised if there was a reply yesterday.
Looking forward to an official statement from CCP.
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northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:02:00 -
[2767]
Holly ****! 91 pages already? **** I got a lot of reading to do before work :/
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Creetalor
Caldari
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:02:00 -
[2768]
Ok I stopped reading at page 63 as it was repeating quite a bit, I do ope that someone from CCP will read this and get some idea of things.
1. I think the majority of people are mainly mad about the pricing of the NEX , sure a argument is that its supposed to be vanity and after that initial investment is there you have it! You can even argue that you can buy it with ISK but in the end someone always bought it with money effectivly doubling your income in a month for a short period because someone has to buy a sub twice effectivly for a 1 month period. Now if the Items where destructible IMMERSION sake you have to carry them in a pod compartment to dress yourself at another station, and they would cost 100-200 AUR even f you request 1200 AUR for the monocle people would buy them sure its a heavy investment but its like a high end implant Risk you get!
2. Immersion sake again leaving the pod is not supposed to be compfortable and unliked make it so when you dock you enter station like we used to ,HOWEVER after 2-5 min the station can not have you idling the hanger and then they force you to enter your CQ . This would make it still possible for people to enter and leave quickly while still letting people enter the CQ if they idle or if they request it with another button!
3 By making prices reasonable you can be sure to have more of them used and with it being destructible sure more people would have the vanity items but they will keep getting lost!It will keep sales going. The reasonale area you need to operate so people can understandit while not feeling like a cash cow is your highest point for example future things like the scorpion 2 plex if you go beyond that your pushing to far! In Summary cut a 0 of all prices in the NEX and your looking at a reasonable price that people will make use of!
4. Lastly please make pans and the male uniform UNISEX because I do not like a waist cincher on a supposid military uniform and why must women wear skirts for that outfit? In most armies today woman can choose to wear skirts if they wish and he Female blouse usually does not differ from the males in style the waist cincher is so unprofessional looking and the high rise so i sow belly with pants is a bit meh! I may be a guy playing but i do not need to look like a high end military prostitute
I hope you get some idea from the way I and a few others of the community feel about the clothes style it mit just be me as a Roleplayer speaking but hey I would with thepricechange I stated and the tiny style change constantly rebuy the set with everytime id get podded!
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Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:03:00 -
[2769]
Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 11:06:18
Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 11:03:11
Originally by: Sur Jamkar
Originally by: ovenproofjet
Quote:
The developers of this company will always play the games that they build here. Without being fully immersed in the player experience, perspective, and community, it is impossible to build, maintain, and expand online worlds with any degree of competency. And while that does expose us to some degree of risk, the rewards are incalculably higher.
CCP Hilmar once said this, in the wake of th t20 scandal. Do you still stay true to this CCP?
They forgot where they came from.
Dude he is so god damned delusional it isn't even funny. He can't even see the difference between plex and MT.
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Rotosequence @HilmarVeigar I'd desperately love to see this promise made to all players of EVE Online. bit.ly/ifOOEU #tweetfleet
16 Jun in reply to @Rotosequence ↑ Hilmar Veigar @HilmarVeigar @Rotosequence Should we then remove PLEX? 16 Jun via web
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Rotosequence @HilmarVeigar I'd desperately love to see this promise made to all players of EVE Online. bit.ly/ifOOE |
Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:03:00 -
[2770]
Posting in this thread feels like beeing part of history! Why do i say this? Because CCP makes me feel like an unwanted old man.
We, the vets, are really discusted of what's happening here. We pay 15 euros per month per char and after all this time, we get treated like ****.
It just feels bad.
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Crymrea
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:03:00 -
[2771]
Originally by: glepp
Ok CCP, since you said you're reading everything in this thread, here goes.
I've cancelled 2/3 accounts, and will be cancelling the last one as well. All run out in sep-nov, so that is the time window for me to get interested in the game again.
Why am i unsubscribing?
1. I don't like being lied to.
You said to the CSM and us a few months back that Microtransactions would only ever be for vanity items. You lied. You are not only discussing it internally, you're implementing it, as confirmed by Scott Holden in your internal newsletter.
2. Microtransactions for non-vanity items will ruin the sandbox.
The PLEX system is good, because it deals with RMT, however game-imbalancing it may be. I can accept that. What i cannot accept is that in a player-driven sandbox, you introduce non-player made items that give an advantage, available for RL money. That goes against the very basis of the Sandbox idea, and will ruin the game for me.
3. Forcing unwanted game elements on your customers because you want them to be Awesome.
Captains Quarters suck. They make it harder for me to use your actual content, internet spaceships. I don't want to watch my characters bum in station, i want to be out flying. You're making that harder. If Incarna and CQ at some point becomes awesome and adds content to the game, then people will use it. Don't force us to watch your stupid space-barbie showcase when it adds no content to the game.
How can you fix this?
1. HTFU and admit that you lied, and apologize so I can believe you.
2. Confirm once and for all that EVE will have no microtransactions for non-vanity items.
3. Make CQ and Incarna optional.
Don't do this and lose your cash cow.
If you don't see the writing on the wall, then you deserve to failcascade and die along with the other failed MMOs.
Seriously, Glepp is a sensible guy. +1 to this.
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Marcus Vorenius
Instant Annihilation
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:03:00 -
[2772]
Originally by: Clone Whisper
Could the people wanting to rant please do so in a different post, and those that have something to cay and want to Quote please only quote the parts that are relevant so this post can become a bit more clear and would actualy become feasable to have some back and forth communication in an attempt to get some more answers?
/supported
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Captain Travaras
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:03:00 -
[2773]
Edited by: Captain Travaras on 24/06/2011 11:04:07
sadly, i doubt CCP will read more then a few pages of this thread. However, as most people seem to be united on what the big problems and fears are, CCP should be a little more enlightened.
The opening post from CCP Pann seemed to ignore the big thing most people are angry with, the leaked document showing MT for non vanity items is very much on the cards, despite promises it wouldnt be the direction Eve would take. Hopefully this is the message they will take and their next response will answer these fears directly
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Greed is good, didnt you get the memo?
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Reeno Coleman
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:04:00 -
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1. I do not care about prices of Vanity items. Do what you like, but keep your promise not to influence gameplay.
2. Captains Quaters are beautiful but useless. For that alone many people switch it off. When switched off, we need at least what we had before. That is:
a) A display which ship is active
b) double clicking to open cargo hold
3. Performance Issues are real. We desperately need seperate display settings for in Station and in Space. Also a framerate limiter would be nice.
Geforce 470gtx here, running at 60fps (capped by vsync), but GPU load is close to max, which is inacceptable for an environment where you are supposed to idle in a way. No need to mention: In it's current state ambulation WILL NOT SCALE to an MMO environment.
4. Active ship concept needs to be reworked, as you can still leave a ship when you are already walking in you room.
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RJBlues
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:04:00 -
[2775]
Originally by: Teako
For CCP to even try to make up for this I would personally require the following:
1. Microtransactions compltely gone, forever. We already pay the highest price for any MMO out there. And the game has absolutely nothing to offer to even excuse anythign higher. It should on the other hand be way under 10$/10Ç now for such a stale game.
2. Allocate resources to the game. The last few years it feels like 5 people are working on EvE. 5 might even be too high. We get a new ship model every half year, nothing much if any fixed. And then there this broken WoD engine. And 1 single CQ and nothing more just for the Aurum shop. You could just aswell have throw poop in our faces and it wouldnt be as bad.
3. There needs to roll heads. Its not an option its a requirement. People with the wrong visions and bad attitudes just cant stay.
4. Keep Dust away from EvE, You already selctedc a closed platform and made sure interaction would be a nightmare at best. I guess you avoided PC and Xbox for the greed again. While putting Dust so far from EvE that they dont belong together.
5. GIve us back ship spinning and early station environments. They had more game atmosphere than the lame stuff you simplified over the years. I remember gallente station with cityi motion, calls in the speaker and so on. Not just a dead buzzing place. Or even worse with teh CQ jail.
Yeah, I did remember the moving things, you could see cars and shuttles going about their business and the sounds were more dynamic somehow.. I wonder what happened to that?
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xeitgeist
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:04:00 -
[2776]
Originally by: CCP Pann
Edited by: CCP Pann on 24/06/2011 00:50:29
These days, I oversee the PR and Community teams.
Oh fantastic, CCP is so repulsed by the idea of direct and honest communication with their customers that they had to hire some lackey to do it for them. What cowardly pieces of sh*t.
Originally by: CCP Pann
Can I please count on at least some of you to help bring the pitchforks and torches down a few notches?
Absolutely not. You said micro-transactions would be vanity only and you lied. You lied to your customers who have been playing your game for 8 years. You removed content from the game just so you can sell it back to players at ludicrous prices. You added a completely useless "feature" that completely screws over anyone who can't afford a new computer. 90% of your customers told you not to waste time on it to begin with and you deliberately ignored them. All you've actually done in the last couple years is nerf the gameplay and add a bunch of useless garbage nobody uses and devise ways to make the game completely unfair to people who don't want to pay extra money for it.
Either get used to this big sh*tstorm or go tell the real developers to grow a pair of nuts and respond to their customers themselves.
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:04:00 -
[2777]
Originally by: Creetalor
1. I think the majority of people are mainly mad about the pricing of the NEX
You are wrong, sorry.
His name was John Turbefield!
Truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details.
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P42ALPHA
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:04:00 -
[2778]
Originally by: William Walker
Originally by: Tehlana Riolis
Edited by: Tehlana Riolis on 24/06/2011 10:43:13
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
To make the question clear:
Will there ever be in-game items (ships, mods, ammo, etc) OR specific mechanics (faction, SOV, etc) for purchase using AUR?
Just answer the question, yes or no
Plz dont answer, the imaginations running are just to fun to stop now.
Seriously, at this point that's the only question you need to answer ... and it needs to be answered NOW.
This is all I need to know and want to know!!!
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Milkmy Sausage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:05:00 -
[2779]
Originally by: Doom Sentinel
Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
hand hovering over cancel sub button waiting for answer I don't want to hear.
Do it! Its not hard to resub, help us send CCP a message mate!
I want to be sure they know why I'm doing it first. My only issue is AUR being used for items, ammo, ships.... anything affecting gameplay.
If their answer is yes we're doing it, then bye bye accounts. If not I will stay. I'm on holiday for two weeks anyway so it's no biggie to me. If it's not resolved by the time I get back then I'll just go back to CoD, counterstrike and single player games. I could do with the extra cash anyway.
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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:05:00 -
[2780]
Originally by: Sur Jamkar
Originally by: ovenproofjet
Quote:
The developers of this company will always play the games that they build here. Without being fully immersed in the player experience, perspective, and community, it is impossible to build, maintain, and expand online worlds with any degree of competency. And while that does expose us to some degree of risk, the rewards are incalculably higher.
CCP Hilmar once said this, in the wake of th t20 scandal. Do you still stay true to this CCP?
They forgot where they came from.
Well, I hope they know where they are going then :)
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Major Failsauce
Caldari
Covert Operations Inc.
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:05:00 -
[2781]
Originally by: CCP Pann
...I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you...
Good luck 
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:05:00 -
[2782]
CCP, you already have P2P model in EVE with subscriptions. You already have built-in RMT model (where you sell PLEX/GTC). Is that not enough income for you? But you want to charge for API licensing and you have to introduce F2P model on top of everything?
HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY THIS MADNESS? DO YOU THINK PLAYERS ARE WILLING TO PAY 100$ PER MONTH FOR A F"!&$/! GAME??????
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Tehlana Riolis
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:06:00 -
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The fact that this corporate **** takes SO long to come with a clear answer is testament that they want to implement game changing changes for AUR.
I recall the good ol` CCP from before 2009 when we mattered.
Can you please come out with the lie already so we can all move one , us to new games , you to new jobs.
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Teako
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:06:00 -
[2784]
Originally by: William Walker
Originally by: Tehlana Riolis
Edited by: Tehlana Riolis on 24/06/2011 10:43:13
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye
To make the question clear:
Will there ever be in-game items (ships, mods, ammo, etc) OR specific mechanics (faction, SOV, etc) for purchase using AUR?
Just answer the question, yes or no
Seriously, at this point that's the only question you need to answer ... and it needs to be answered NOW.
This is all I need to know and want to know!!!
Since Pann confirmed the leaked info is real. Then the answer is YES.
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DeathCam
Unicorn Love Club
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:06:00 -
[2785]
DOH!
*want some gravy?
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Kez Aumer
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:06:00 -
[2786]
Originally by: Kamikaze Jihawty
I never compared Pann with Tiggs. I compared this game with SWG. Both games now have histories of not listening to the player base to a point of implosion.
I know, I was agreeing with you. The poster you quoted did :)
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Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:07:00 -
[2787]
Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 24/06/2011 11:07:20
Originally by: xeitgeist
Absolutely not. You said micro-transactions would be vanity only and you lied. You lied to your customers who have been playing your game for 8 years. You removed content from the game just so you can sell it back to players at ludicrous prices. You added a completely useless "feature" that completely screws over anyone who can't afford a new computer. 90% of your customers told you not to waste time on it to begin with and you deliberately ignored them. All you've actually done in the last couple years is nerf the gameplay and add a bunch of useless garbage nobody uses and devise ways to make the game completely unfair to people who don't want to pay extra money for it.
Either get used to this big sh*tstorm or go tell the real developers to grow a pair of nuts and respond to their customers themselves.
Amen.
edit: tho leave the devs outta it. It's all in the boardroom.
His name was John Turbefield!
Truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc Best brief on the details.
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leth ghost
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:07:00 -
[2788]
Originally by: Major Failsauce
Originally by: CCP Pann
...I will remove posts without prejudice if they are counterproductive to the conversation I hope to have with you...
Good luck
they just wanna keep the post count down to make it look as if its not such a big deal
all damage controll
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Kaesarr
Negros United
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:07:00 -
[2789]
u mad ccp?
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Drunken Wolf
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Posted - 2011.06.24 11:07:00 -
[2790]
AUR is fatal for EVE.
It will kill this game.
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