It's a statement based on base statistics of 6 guns w/o a bonus vs 5 with a 25%. Basic math is hard?

/Facepalm.

The some of a Ships value is not static based on the modules that can be directly fit and used as well as how well they are supported.

Again +5% is vague and varies fit to fit. Bottom line your Rail Moa does 255 DPS with CNAM using 250mm Rails and 305 with 2 Magstabs and no DCU. It is literally terrible as a rail boat.

Way to actually do a Rail Moa.

6 Highs 6 Turrets
5 Mids
3 Lows

Opt Bonus + Dmg Bonus / No Drones / Lower Medium LR Gun Fitting and Cap Use to around Short Range Weapons.

Either dronebay or lose a low for a turret high to give it something to compete with other combat cruisers. 1600mm plate + ENAM + DCU II should still provide around 45k EHP using 2 HS + 6 turrets will give around 400dps with IN multi and 320 with Scorch @ 20km which is still lower than the other combat cruisers but has a niche in being all turret dps and good projection. Good tank/dps ratio too.

It's nice that the Maller is no longer going to be a complete travesty serving as either obvious bait or nothing, but it feels like the bar has been raised and the Amarr still can't jump.

I honestly don't see ANY problem with this maller. It obviously sucks solo. period.

Aside from that, it will be a resist bonused cruiser hull, that costs something vaguely around 10mil and the people you'll find inside will most likely be greedy carebears or noobs. If you're lucky, they can use scorch.
And suddenly, you got the cruiser with the MOST AVERAGE dps out of the whole lineup, while maintaining the by far best tank. At least considering that 250 dps, which is easily archivable using a heat sink on this maller, at 20-25km is quite the most ideal thing you can have (since every brick of a brain on earth now knows: can point it? yes? shoot for optimal damage...)

In my humble opinion, this maller sketch is exactly what a T1 cruiser should stand for. Reliability + nobrainer to fly.

Either dronebay or lose a low for a turret high to give it something to compete with other combat cruisers. 1600mm plate + ENAM + DCU II should still provide around 45k EHP using 2 HS + 6 turrets will give around 400dps with IN multi and 320 with Scorch @ 20km which is still lower than the other combat cruisers but has a niche in being all turret dps and good projection. Good tank/dps ratio too.

... Can I think of another ship that is like this. Wait oh the zealot....

I think some people are really missing the whole point with the Maller. It has a 130 sig radius uses 5 laser turrets has good across the board resists and damage projection. And no drones.

Can I think of another ship that is like this. Wait oh the zealot.

Can't you see the design idea for the maller is AHAC zealot gang on a serious shoe string. Its not as good as the zealot but it can fight the same way. It has all the core requirements low sig high resists and adequate projection and moderate damage.

Its AHAC with training wheels basically because when you **** it up your going to lose very little, especially with the fact you can now use T1 Logi. Thats it thats the idea. A T1 version of a T2 fleet docterine.

Equating Maller with the Zealot .. :notsureifserious:

Smidgen lighter, slower, half the range, worse tank, tighter fittings .. but you are right, they both lack drones so the comparison is of course valid
Would be sweet if it was actually given a range bonus, but then it would have either really atrocious dps or mediocre tanking capability as there are just not enough bonuses to go around.

Since it looks like gallente drone philosophy is going to change from drone versatility to drone in your face damage (like the new destroyer thread suggests) its propably not going to happen tough :(.

That's pretty much been the Gallente drone philosophy ever since the bandwidth introduction. Amarr get low band/big bays to focus on sustainability, and Gallente get high band/small bay to focus on damage. That's what they said when they made the changes. Of course it starts to break down when you look at the Ishtar and Domi. But Amarr don't have comparable ships in those classes, so hard to make a comparison.

hp*dps score

But in practice the extra bandwidth helps very little, as mixed drone flights apply damage poorly...

Three to five drones won't help much against experienced frigates, you need a fourth mid if that is the goal .. and that won't (and shouldn't) happen.

Nothing wrong with being vulnerable to a frigate as long as it has something worthwhile against larger stuff (ie. bring the pain!). That is the problem with proposed iteration, it has lowest or second lowest dependent on fit dps with no redeeming attributes. It will still be a glorified brick comparatively.

Then odds are you are fairly terrible at using drones in PvP. I don't say that meanly or to wave e-peen around. It's just that you need to adjust your tactics. The 75m3 on the Vexor/Myrm is just fine for applying damage. If you are just looking at things from a PvE point of view, then yeah 50m3 works better. But you don't alter a ship so that it's better for PvE.

This explains so many of your posts

So what you are saying is that a group of 2 heavy 2 medium and 1 small is better at hitting a player than a dumber than a box of rocks npc rat? Despite heavy drones having bad tracking and low velocity?

Tracking isn't so much the issue if you are using 2/2/1 tactics correctly. Travel time however, is an issue. But that is a problem that should only really be cropping up in a PvE situation. In which case, a flight of medium drones works much better. Multiple fast opponents in a PvP situation is a real bad place for a droneboat no matter what drones you use (unless you are sitting away from the action sniping with sentries). Ships have weaknesses. That's one of the weaknesses of a droneboat.

Well, back in the days I had ALOT OF DREAMS...

Well, that, and a hell of a lot of drones are redundant and useless (EM and KIN drones, damp drones, most heavy drones, the list goes on...). Drones in general need a look at, and to his credit, CCP Ytterbium has posted about how drones will receive some love sometime soonGäó hopefully.
Hull bonuses would help, but I'm thinking along the lines of specific bonuses to specific sizes of drones instead of global buffs.