show me the fit and i'll believe you , i cant find one that break 500 dps

[NEW Maller, gank]
Adaptive Nano Plating II
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

10MN Afterburner II
Faint Warp Disruptor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M
NEW Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I

3x Warrior II


This one does 709 dps overheated with Conflagration.

It does 599 DPS overheat not 709, using terrible Ammo that few people actually use in game, it has no MWD and yet still miraculously is not even close Cap Stable.

That is just painful to look at.

Check again, it's 709. 661 from guns, 48 from drones. Conflag is viable in cruiser vs cruiser fights in many circumstances.

As for the MWD and cap stability, yea the ship has severe weaknesses but also exceptional strengths to make up for that. I never said otherwise.

5% Dmg Bonus, 5 Heavy Pulse Lasers, Conflag, 3 Heatsinks.

No it is not 661 from Guns it is 479 alone, 551 Overheat. With sh*t Ammo still, no one will be using Conflag realistically, like less then Hail and Void.

Ok, looks like you're right. My EFT data is messed up and shows 10% damage/level instead of 5% for some reason.

Well, hate them or love them. but I am pretty sure these are the stats we are going to get Dec 4th. There hasn't been a blue tagged post in the attack or combat cruiser threads for some time. And with their focus now turned towards BC's and BB's they seem satisfied with the changes they have made to these cruisers.

I wonder some what how these ship changes will affect the ecosystem of Eve, of what we see flying around and how it will be used. Which ships will rise in popularity and which ones will now collect dust in hangers and on market shelves. I guess time will tell.

Well, hate them or love them. but I am pretty sure these are the stats we are going to get Dec 4th. There hasn't been a blue tagged post in the attack or combat cruiser threads for some time. And with their focus now turned towards BC's and BB's they seem satisfied with the changes they have made to these cruisers.

I wonder some what how these ship changes will affect the ecosystem of Eve, of what we see flying around and how it will be used. Which ships will rise in popularity and which ones will now collect dust in hangers and on market shelves. I guess time will tell.

Have people actually given hard tests to some of these on test? I hear tell about how viscous and op the Maller is on EFT, but I also notice it is very slow, TERRIBLY cap inefficient, and does not have enough mid slots to try and make up for it, on that same EFT.

What I am looking for is how this, the Stabber, the Vexor, etc., are performing on test vs other cruisers, frigates, and dessies.

Any feedback available would be appreciated. Between the Maller, and the new Amarr dessie, I am starting to see a trend of Amarr ships that look like they will not be able to play solo or small group overly well without very heavy support (again, looking at it from an outside perspective, as I can not get on to test and get my greedy little fingers into them in person).

~Z

Have people actually given hard tests to some of these on test? I hear tell about how viscous and op the Maller is on EFT, but I also notice it is very slow, TERRIBLY cap inefficient, and does not have enough mid slots to try and make up for it, on that same EFT.

What I am looking for is how this, the Stabber, the Vexor, etc., are performing on test vs other cruisers, frigates, and dessies.

Any feedback available would be appreciated. Between the Maller, and the new Amarr dessie, I am starting to see a trend of Amarr ships that look like they will not be able to play solo or small group overly well without very heavy support (again, looking at it from an outside perspective, as I can not get on to test and get my greedy little fingers into them in person).

~Z

I did some tests..

And found out that starting at 0 the Maller gets outbrawled by a shield rupture because it caps out completely before it can kill it. was rather depressing.

maller with blasters.

You people sicken me.

You definitely wouldn't like my shield tanked / heavy neutron fit then.

Now I need to know. How do you even get that to work?

He doesn't get that to work.:

Not my the standard definition of working at least..

It has it's uses, but to be fair only works because Mallers get primaried last. Nice alpha though.

When I used to be in RvB little rule, fight with =ish number of Cruisers side with the most Mallers usually loses. 90% of the time they are 180mm or SPL Fit so first pop the Dessies, then the Thorax's, Vexor's, Ruptures, High DPS Frigates then you turn to the Mallers and most of your Dmg Dealers are still on the Field because they didn't bring enough DPS to take em out, they brought Mallers.

Current High tank Maller Fits you are lucky to break 200DPS so they don't do much but wait until all the DPS is off the field. Nuetron Shield Maller does okay DPS with no tank but not as much DPS as other ships that are bonused so you are left with a slow ship that takes a while to get into range and the only benefit is you are not shot first. It only works if their is a bunch of better ships on the field or a bunch of useless Mallers they chew through first.

For actual 10-20man gang combat it is one of the worst things to bring. That is why I left RvB, about 10 of us get into Cruisers and you can guarantee 5 will be Mallers because they don't want to be primaries first and just want to soak up kills made by the high DPS Ships until they die. That is why I like it when the FC calls no Mallers.

Hopefully with this expansion people will fit their Gang Mallers like Combat Ships, might even be enough to get me to go back.

As an Amarr pilot for primary race, I started excited as hell about the upcoming patch, but some of the new ships I am seeing are beginning to really discourage me. ;( I hope they do some more tweaking before release. The Maller, and New Dessie so far are disappointing me in their practical applications (feedback and EFT based only, I have not been on test), and they are 2 that I was looking forward to the most.

Here is hoping the dev's take the feeback in these threads to heart.

As an Amarr pilot for primary race, I started excited as hell about the upcoming patch, but some of the new ships I am seeing are beginning to really discourage me. ;( I hope they do some more tweaking before release. The Maller, and New Dessie so far are disappointing me in their practical applications (feedback and EFT based only, I have not been on test), and they are 2 that I was looking forward to the most.

Here is hoping the dev's take the feeback in these threads to heart.

Maller will still be bad from what I can tell. The DPS is still sub par and the lack of drones is very painful (and might I add unusual for an amarr ship).

I don't see how the new amarr dessie is dissapointing (other than in it's appearance, concept art looked far better). In terms of solo PvP, I believe the amarr dessie is one of the strongest (the other being the minmatar dessie - interceptor mwd bonus wut?). Neuts are absolutely devastating against frigs... and if a frig doesn't have enough cap to run their prop mod, you've basically already won, I am very excited about the new Amarr dessie.

You say this as if it has not been thought of. Have you tried it on test yet? Being forced to put on a cap booster just to be able to fire guns is a bit much, wouldn't you think? In particular on a ship that only has 3 slots to begin with (2 really, since all ships need prop mods in pvp).

I can understand using a cap booster to make a ship stable or last much longer when using every thing overheated in the middle of combat, or if it is being neuted. Thats what they are for. But there needs to be at least a good foundation to start, and the Maller does not have anywhere near that in regards to cap usage at the moment.