Tracking isn't so much the issue if you are using 2/2/1 tactics correctly. Travel time however, is an issue. But that is a problem that should only really be cropping up in a PvE situation. In which case, a flight of medium drones works much better. Multiple fast opponents in a PvP situation is a real bad place for a droneboat no matter what drones you use (unless you are sitting away from the action sniping with sentries). Ships have weaknesses. That's one of the weaknesses of a droneboat.

So with this i can believe you are refering to blob warfare, and it is bad to balance ships around that as well. 1v1 the drones will be kited rendering them ineffective, so what kind of pvp style are you referring to where a 2 2 1 setup is good

where did CCP Ytterbium post this?
i've only seen him say amarr drones are crap

If you want smaller bandwidth with a deep bay, then switch to Amarr. Arbi/Curse/Pilgrim are all good ships. But the Vexor (and currently the Myrm) rock just fine with 75m3. No need to change it.

Im not saying to increase the bay on the vexor, what i am saying is Increase the damage bonus from the hull to compensate for a reduction in bandwidth. Which would make the following true
Amarr drone ships have greater versatility buy having bogger drone bays, but do less damage than Gallente drone ships.
Gallente ships have greater damage than amarr drone ships, but lack the versatility from a large drone bay.

Yeah I know what you're saying, it's just never going to happen. You want a higher than +10% damage/lvl to drones. Only one ship in the past 6 years has had that, and they realized it was a bad idea and removed the bonus. That was on a Dread. Now you want that kind of bonus on a cruiser? Keep dreaming dude.

Yeah I know what you're saying, it's just never going to happen. You want a higher than +10% damage/lvl to drones. Only one ship in the past 6 years has had that, and they realized it was a bad idea and removed the bonus. That was on a Dread. Now you want that kind of bonus on a cruiser? Keep dreaming dude.

Minmatar OP needs nerf they kite me all the time.

The rorqual has a 20% per level currently. Drone bays were removed from all dreads and titans for being way too good at destroying sub cap ships. Also the moros got 5 large drones, the vexor is a medium ship, so medium drones.

You, are talking nonsense.

Indeed! It seems that I am. Still.... ain't gonna happen.

yes, ridiculously

...Also don't forget that every time a drone boat would field one of those "overpowered" heavy ECM drones, it is reducing the heavy combat drones it can field. So it's potentially not simply a matter of "OMG crazy powered ECM drone and crazy damage", but more of a trade-off between the two.

The Omen must be one of the most frustrating ships to fit so we are going to look at it. Like CCP Guard, it should be a mean miniaturized version of the Armageddon, not a public target for bad-taste midget tossing jokes.

sad Maller, your whole existence is a tragedy. Please let us put an end to this travesty by properly turning you into a mini-Abaddon, with an armor resistance and laser damage bonus to actually serve as something else than bait.

Personally, I believe the Vexor should lose or move the mid slot (put back the high slot). This ship is too much. The low slot can remain and any other changes. The ship doesn't require 4 mid slots to still be powerful.

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If you are set on turning the cruisers into mini battleships, my suggestion would be to turn the Omen into a mini Apoc by replacing one of the bonuses for an optimal range bonus. This would give it a way to project it's damage similar to the other attack cruisers (falloff on stabber, flight time on caracal). Giving the Maller some form of dronebay would also go a long way into helping it not just be the brick bait and having some form of frigate defense. Hell, it is the only t1 cruiser without a dronebay. How does that make sense considering that you devs have stated that you want drones to be the secondary weapon system of Amarr? Replace the turret damage bonus with a 50/150 drone bay with a drone bonus similar to the arbitrator/vexor and now the maller is a brick able to defend itself.

Also, isn't it a little boring and a bit monotonous that almost every single t1 Amarr damage ship has one of it's ship bonuses to capacitor use of energy turrets? A problem easily solved by fitting a cap booster.

Thanks for your time,
-Fisty

Pleaase god no... II've already proposed the Prophecy should get a 15% optimal per level, 5% resist per level at the BC class to make it a unique build that doesn't overlap with the BS, Cruiser, BC, or Hac platforms in any significant way while having an actual role.

Making a cruiser fill this role too diminishes the concept.

All the justification there:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=157299&find=unread

@ CCP Fozzie how about a EHP boost to help close the gap a little to bc's?

Better plan would be to nerf the hp, fitting, slots and mobility on tier 2 and 3 BCs.

That old argument

As long as EC-XXX drones are as good as they are, the abuse of them is a no brainer. They will always land at least one jam per fight (way more if toggled) and are thus essentially impervious to enemy retaliation which damage drones are not .. one practically needs a smartbomb to clear EC-XXX but add one of those and your whole fit will be walking with a limp.

The only two ways I see to make EC-XXX fit into Eve is to either remove them entirely or change them into lock-breakers instead of jammers

Or make the current ecm drones able to be flown only by dedicated ECM boats, and give the rest of us a ECM "burst" drone designed to allow us to break lock and exit as a last ditch effort to save our ship...

Just a suggestion. ;)

After reading replies here and on FHC, I think I'm inclined to agree that the Maller should be a Heavy Assault Missile Ship, or just a Medium missile ship and the Sacrilege would be the specialized Heavy Assault Missile ship.

I think 5% per level armor resistance and 5% + explosion velocity or damage to Medium Missiles

I also think one of the frigates should go missiles, and the Prophecy. The Battles ships are ok as they are, just even them up a little stat wise. Then add a Torpedo specialized Amarr ship. Make the Geddon the Ewar one, Apoc stays sniper, and Abbadon stays tanky but gets more cap stable.

Don't wish that curse on those ships! The upcoming HML/HAM nerf will make those ships total crap!

Winter, including the already announced buff to light missiles, a buff to unguided missiles especially HAMs.

Change the Guided Missile Precision skill, as well as all associated implants and rigs to affect all subcap missiles

Reduce HAM launcher PG requirements by 10%

Javelin: Just remove ship penalties

Tracking disruptor changes moved out of this release until the first set of changes settles a bit

Remove ship penalties from tech two missiles (ship velocity and signature radius)