Vexor:

Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515)

Are you using the new T2 650mm numbers 198 with out skills so 178.2 PG with AWU V its not much but that is 160 PG saved. And if you look at the numbers now T2 650s+800 plate+MWD= 4*178.2+200+150=1062 and with perfect fitting skills the Ruppy has 1075 PG so more then enough.

Edit Sorry my math was off.

AFAIK the talk has been of nerfing multiple ASB's because a single ASB isn't really overpowered at all since its lifespan is finite


But the concept of active shield tanking ships having a limited mid selection is a common theme throughout the game, why is that so hard to understand?

You all want the Moa to have as many mids as the Cyclone and Nighthawk, the active tanked battlecruisers a full ship size above the cruiser, thats probably just not going to happen.


Also the active tanked HAM drake works just fine thanks, it tanks REALLY hard as most people who active tank already know, its just a victim of volley like most active tanked ships.

Grath. We're comparing the Moa to the Caracal. Not battlecruisers. The Caracal, an attack cruiser, has five med slots. Both the Merlin and Kestrel have four medium slots, so I fail to understand how taking a high off the Moa and making that it's fifth medium slot is a bad idea. There'd be symmetry between the missile and gun ships on two size classes with this.

I'm going to reiterate here. The CARACAL, another CALDARI CRUISER, has FIVE MED SLOTS. We are NOT CONSIDERING BATTLECRUISERS HERE. AT ALL.

AFAIK the talk has been of nerfing multiple ASB's because a single ASB isn't really overpowered at all since its lifespan is finite


But the concept of active shield tanking ships having a limited mid selection is a common theme throughout the game, why is that so hard to understand?

You all want the Moa to have as many mids as the Cyclone and Nighthawk, the active tanked battlecruisers a full ship size above the cruiser, thats probably just not going to happen.


Also the active tanked HAM drake works just fine thanks, it tanks REALLY hard as most people who active tank already know, its just a victim of volley like most active tanked ships.

Maller:
Cruiser skill bonuses:
5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage
5% bonus to all Armor Resistances
Slot layout: 5 H (-1), 3 M, 6 L, 5 turrets
Fittings: 1000 PWG (+100), 280 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1200(-168) / 2100(+225) / 1700(-19)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1550(+50) / 515s(-22.5s) / 3 (+0.2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 205(+41) / 0.56(-0.045) / 11550000 / 6.1s (-0.4)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 47.5km / 280(+10) / 6
Sensor strength: 16 Radar (+2)
Signature radius: 130
Cargo capacity: 480 (+200)

Now till you can actualy think beyond being scared of cyclones, you should probialy rethink your statements

i was using the new numbers and as you showed much more accurately, you need awu 5 and perfect PG skills to make it happen. awu 5 is quite the requirement, which should not be forgotten.
what i wanted to say was: you need that grid to make arties an option. if you reduce it to put more restriction on autocannon fits, well no arty fits.
if testing shows that the rupture is over top, nerf it around the drones.

Armor and shield tanks work differently and trying in any way to compare them is silly. Shield tanks allow more mobility, the reps are frontloaded, and the shields themselves will repair slowly over time without any effort from the player. Armor cuts mobility to almost nothing, the rep cycles dont come until the end of the cycle and the armor wont repair itself..

project its damage to a respectable range via drones

But I am, they've said they intend it to be a brawler, and they've laid its slots out like the other active tanked brawlers.

bluh bluh active tanking brawlers ftw active tank everything close range ever forever because it is best

Obviously it must be. Cuz the Eagle is a 5 midslot Moa with extra resistances and EVERYBODY uses it.

Rupture could use a slight tone down on speed a bit. It's currently faster than every other racial attack cruiser (aside from the Stabber).

I believe they said that the cruiser bonuses will be transfered to the t2 ships right? So say you got your wish and the Moa got its 5th mid, whats the difference between it and the eagle that likely wont see its revamp until mid summer next year?

CCP has flatly stated that they dislike the buffer shield tank trend happening in EVE and the lot of you ignore that and continue to cry out for the ability to do it on all shield tanked ships.

The Moa will be an active tanked brawler, the Eagle will likely now be a better version of that.

Its ok that you dont like it but you should try to at least understand it.