Short Range Missiles
Change the Guided Missile Precision skill, as well as all associated implants and rigs to affect all subcap missiles
Reduce HAM launcher PG requirements by 10%
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029&find=unread

So yeah, what this implies is that HAMs go from 125 explosion radius to 93 explosion radius with all V skills, and as mentioned, down to 79 with a single rigor or 63.4 with 3 rigors which is almost frigate sized exp radius, although only a 122m/s explosion velocity means you won't be dealing 400 dps to frigs anytime soon but it's probably enough to cause them serious problems.

@Aglais
Don't waste your time with Major Killz, in his world the Rupture is way too slow and doesn't stand a chance against other cruisers and the Moa is a solo pwnmobile. If we listened to Major Killz we'd have Ruptures going as fast as frigates with Maller EHP and Thorax dps

There is no precision ammo for HAMs. There is Javelin, and Rage. Rage will have a bloated explosion radius, which will probably only put it on par with T1 ammo when shooting anything cruiser sized and down. And Javelin... well it'll actually be worth using, post patch.

I meant Javelin. I think people are going to underestimate the HAM boats.

Posting again to say medium rails compare just fine to arties and beams. If there's something wrong it's scorch/null/barrage, tracking enhancers, autocannons and heavy missiles.

Well medium rails don't see much usage (low dps) and neither do medium beams (ridiculous fitting reqs) while Arty is still popular cause of insane alpha. Short range weapons being able to hit out easily to long point range is probably why medium LR weapons see so little use, you'd need alot support just to make them work outside of point range where they have their advantage.

The only reason medium arties are used it because alpha is a strong trait and scales up really well as once you have enough alpha to one shot ships you greatly reduce the force multiplier that logis provide, it isn't really because of the range. Most engagements happen within range of short range weapons (and generally even arty fleets don't fight from LR) and the combination of better tracking, fitting, less support needed etc makes them just a far better choice for almost any combat situation.

At the BS level I feel it gets worse as BS SR weapons like MPLs are able to hit out to 45-60k which further reduces the need to gimp your fit to gain the range of LR weapons. At the frigate level we see far more use from LR weapons (beams still kinda suck here cause they are just too hard to fit) because except for a select few ships, it is damn near impossible to get good dps on the edge of long point range with SR frigate weapons, thus if you go for a long point kiting setup you'll end up with LR weapons.

I can't really see any easy fix for this as it's more of a combat mechanic than anything.

I want to respectfully disagree a bit here.

I use medium arties as my weapon of choice on almost all my nano canes. I prefer the 650s. The reason is range. At 25 to 30km, 650's are out-damaging 425's. And in any case, they work well with how I prefer to fly and fit my ships.

The Omen makes a better overall cruiser than the Maller IMO.

So are things going to ship as is? Did CCP Fozzie burn himself out?

So are things going to ship as is? Did CCP Fozzie burn himself out?

The fact that there hasn't been a response from CCP Fozzie in regards to the feedback in this thread gives me a

I'd really like to hear what CCP Fozzie thinks of:

The mass issues with these ships (velocity under propulsion mods)

The Moa not havving an optimal range bonus

The Moa not having enough mid slots

The Maller still being a little lame

Please Fozzie. Your responses always give us an erection a

He must be busy working on an 'armour tanking 2.0' sticky.

Only one word

QUAD LIGHT BEAM LASERS

Well ok 4. It's time they receive a buff. They should be the amarr equivalent of RFMLs

The easiest way, but not only one, is to make them medium pulse lasers, with the tracking buff pulse lasers received years ago, and the relative increase in dps. They would work perfectly with the new maller!

Pre-tiericide thoughts: the Amarr only have one cruiser, and it only does damage with drones.

Post-tiericide thoughts: the Amarr only have cruiser, and it only does damage with drones. Oh, and there's a logi cruiser. That's cool I guess.

But hey, the Arby's a little better, its immunity to unbonused scripted TDs is more pronounced, its skills are more useful with the new Crucifier and unnamed destroyer in mind. So it's not a loss. Just a lot less of a shake-up than I hoped.

This. I am so far rather disappointed in the Amarr dessie compared to the others as well. But I do like some of their other changes to frig / cruisers. Just wish as you said above that it was a bit... more.

You guys are freaking crazy. The Coercer is already "win" and will be "omgwtfpwn" when the new patch hits.

Anyways, back to your discussions....

You guys are freaking crazy. The Coercer is already "win" and will be "omgwtfpwn" when the new patch hits.

Anyways, back to your discussions....

You guys are freaking crazy. The Coercer is already "win" and will be "omgwtfpwn" when the new patch hits.

Anyways, back to your discussions....