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Galphii Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE 75	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:05:00 - [31] - Quote The Maller is still a useless brick, just more... bricky. It doesn't need that big cargohold either, as a laser boat it won't use much for ammo (assuming everyone won't just keep using projectiles on it, because better damage + no cap use = WIN). The Amarr are the 2nd drone race and this thing doesn't even get a set of lights, while the Moa gets to keep its 3 drones? (The Moa's got an extra highslot for a missile launcher, it doesn't need the drones). And without that utility high and cap use bonus the Maller is going to have big power problems; how about an extra midslot to mount a cap booster instead of that extra low (toughness was never its problem, 6 lows is cute but unnecessary, and for the love of god, give it at least a couple of drones). Moa is probably going to be better with the damage bonus, although medium hybrids are the real issue with mid-sized hybrid boats so it's hard to judge. It really doesn't need the drones though, and consider losing a low to gain a midslot for better tanking and such, the 4/4 low/mid arrangement is very un-caldari like! Big improvement for the Vexor, I like its greater toughness and mobility a lot, the rest of its stats are fine. I had hoped to see the end of the Minmatar armour tanking ships - the Ruppy, Hurricane and Typhoon (and Nidhoggur). Everything else they have is shield and speed, so it's weird that just these 3 that require a completely different skill set. Please give some thought to 5 mids and 4 lows for the Rupture (and more shields, less armour) to bring it into line with just about the entirety of the rest of the Matari fleet. The Ruppy doesn't need so many drones either; it's already the best T1 cruiser and that isn't going to change based on what I've seen here, so consider taking it down to 10 or 15m3.
Deez Icho FIRST SHOCK SQUADRON MASQUERADE. 0	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:05:00 - [32] - Quote Moa increase PG by 50, cant fit full rack of blasters or rails + MWD, while other ship can make it + some tank. Just don't forget that with patch beams and arty have less 10% pg on fit.
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 40	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:06:00 - [33] - Quote Zarnak Wulf wrote: I need to crunch the Moa's grid but it doesn't look on face value to have gotten that much of a buff. I currently need the genolution implant set to squeeze a fit onto it. The grid improvement is a bit underwhelming. I like the Moa's bonus change though. I also like that the Rupture has one nuet rather then two. mm.. mini shield neuty nano cane thats sounds like a good idea :P
Warde Guildencrantz TunDraGon 92	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:07:00 - [34] - Quote Galphii wrote: Moa is probably going to be better with the damage bonus, although medium hybrids are the real issue with mid-sized hybrid boats so it's hard to judge. It really doesn't need the drones though, and consider losing a low to gain a midslot for better tanking and such, the 4/4 low/mid arrangement is very un-caldari like! medium rails is what i think you meant to say, medium blasters are fine
Hoarr RPS holdings 48	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:15:00 - [35] - Quote I'm fairly happy with all of these changes, but the rupture is a bit OP (coming from someone who loves them). Extra 50 m/s base and 4 mids? Holy crap this thing is going to be awesome.
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 40	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:18:00 - [36] - Quote Hoarr wrote: I'm fairly happy with all of these changes, but the rupture is a bit OP (coming from someone who loves them). Extra 50 m/s base and 4 mids? Holy crap this thing is going to be awesome. I wouldnt even call it a combat cruiser its clearly a attack cruiser its bloody faster than a thorax why?
Mizhir Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 114	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:19:00 - [37] - Quote Awesome changes, but there are a few things that makes me wonder. Why doesn't the maller have any drones? even the Moa got 3 and the Stabber 1. The Maller still needs a helping hand so it could use a few drones. 4 Mids for the Moa doesn't seem to work well. You have given it bonus for a brawler ship but it will be unable to fit a good tackle and tank. And why the drones? Isn't it a better idea to replace them with higher PG and cpu? 4 Mids for Vexor and Rupture will greatly improve them against frigs. Be careful to not make them too powerful. The extra mid also means that these ships will be even more useful as shield tankers. So unless you improve armor tanking I expect that even more people will shieldtank their cruisers. Both these and the attack cruisers are likely to be shield tanked. Personally I love the Rupture changes. Trading a neut for a web is a good trade for a shield rupture. However I would like to see more support for armor ruptures. Remember that Minmatar are armor tankers too.
Sheynan Lighting the blight 67	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:21:00 - [38] - Quote After a few EFT tests with the new Moa I think it could really use an additional 50pg , making it 850 pg (which would still be less than the Rupture has) There is not much use for that spare high if you can't fit a med neut or for the shield resist bonus if you can't fit a sufficient amount of LSEs.
Vladimir Norkoff Income Redistribution Service 60	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:22:00 - [39] - Quote Well I only fly the Vexor and Moa with any regularity, so I'll just comment about them... CCP Fozzie wrote: Moa: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 5% bonus to shield resistances Slot layout: 6 H, 4 M, 4 L, 5 turrets, 2 launchers Fittings: 800 PWG (+20), 375 CPU (+15) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 2100(+225) / 1200(-129) / 1500(-24) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1425(+50) / 475s(-16.25s) / 3 (+0.2) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 195(+31) / 0.54 / 11720000 / 5.9s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 15 / 15 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 260(+7) / 7 Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric (+1) Signature radius: 135 Cargo capacity: 450 (+200) Vexor: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield Slot layout: 4 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 5 L (+1), 4 turrets Fittings: 800 PWG (+125), 300 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1450(+200) / 482.5s(+36.25s) / 3 (+0.2) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 215(+46) / 0.6(+0.03) / 10310000 / 5.8s (+0.3) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 100 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 280(+4) / 6(+1) Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric (+2) Signature radius: 145 (-5) Cargo capacity: 480 So the Moa is now a giant Merlin. Tbh wouldn't mind seeing a low or high slot moved to the mid. 4 mids doesn't leave alot for a shield tanking brick brawler. Cuz let's face it, that's what it is. It's slower than most other new cruisers, and it's gonna end up using blasters (rails still suck). So it has to survive long enough to catch it's target (somehow) and then hold it there (point + web), to apply it's rather short-range high-dps damage. And 4 mids ain't enough to do that. Vexor is.... wow. More grid. More CPU. More slots. More speed. More tank. It's kinda frightening. I am a huge fan of the Vexor. I have more kills with it than any other ship. But I do think that 4th midslot is a bad idea. It makes shield glass-cannon fits very viable. Too much so. We're looking at 850+dps and 25K ehp with scram.... That's just a bit... yeah.
Major Killz Chaotic Tranquility 70	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:29:00 - [40] - Quote 4 mids on the RUPTURE \0/ WE STILL IN BIZNEZZ BABY!
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 134	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:29:00 - [41] - Quote I was really hoping to see a miniature Myrm. If I can add my 2 cents change the drone band with to 50m3 give it a larger bay say 125 or 150 change the 5% hybrid bonus to a 10% armor repair bonus and let this be a solo monster.
Jackie Fisher Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate 131	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:30:00 - [42] - Quote If I were a cynical person I'd think the chosen solution to fixing armour tanking is to give armour tanking ships enough mids to shield tank. Too many mids on armour tanking ships and not enough on the only shield tanker in the group. Fear God and Thread Nought
Random McNally Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 57	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:32:00 - [43] - Quote Deez Icho wrote: Why Moa have only 4 medium slots? As brawler he need tank and good tackle options, we put scrambler, web and MWD and only 1 medium slot left for tank. Better remove 1 hight slot and give additional 1 medium, trade for 1 low slot will be good too. Slowest ship of this type, so a lot of low sots only can have at dealing damage. This ship have bonus for shield not for armor. This.... Fozzie, could we remove a low or a high for an extra mid on the Moa, please??? It's already getting teased at school for it's looks. You know how kids are.....
Helicity Boson Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 492	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:33:00 - [44] - Quote I also remaine unconvinced of the logic behind subtracting a slot for drone boats. Having drones as a main DPS source is more of a drawback than an advantage. Pros: -once set they keep firing even when the mothership is jammed -if the appropriate drone size is used, tracking is not an issue Cons: -Drone bays are very limited -Drones can be destroyed by enemy pilots -Drones are RAPIDLY destroyed by gateguns -Drone DPS, even with the new damage modules remains relatively low In my opinion there is no need to remove a slot from drone boats.
MIrple BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team 134	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:41:00 - [45] - Quote Helicity Boson wrote: I also remaine unconvinced of the logic behind subtracting a slot for drone boats. Having drones as a main DPS source is more of a drawback than an advantage. Pros: -once set they keep firing even when the mothership is jammed -if the appropriate drone size is used, tracking is not an issue Cons: -Drone bays are very limited -Drones can be destroyed by enemy pilots -Drones are RAPIDLY destroyed by gateguns -Drone DPS, even with the new damage modules remains relatively low In my opinion there is no need to remove a slot from drone boats. I know its like they give you a drone damage bonus but then take it away by removing a slot. It would be like giving a damage bonus to the rupture but then taking a turret away from the ship.
Takeshi Yamato Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 487	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:41:00 - [46] - Quote To be honest the Maller still looks bad. I don't think you have fully acknowledged just how much this ship needed help. Did you post wrong stats by chance? It has no drone bay, no utility high and only 3 mids. It needs a cap injector but needs a web even more. Here is the fit I've used as reference: [Maller, new] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Adaptive Nano Plating II Adaptive Nano Plating II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Faint Warp Disruptor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I DPS: 426 with conflag 382 with navy MF 305 with Scorch Hitpoints: roughly 31.7k hp (new stats simulated by adding a 100mm Reinforced Titanium plate and lowing Shield Management skill to level 2) 1297.5 / 1375 (1250 PG without the Ancillary Current Router. A 5% PG implant works as well) 348.25 / 350 CPU Speed: 1451 m/s
Major Killz Chaotic Tranquility 72	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:41:00 - [47] - Quote Hmm! The Vexor has become fierce. I don't that people understand what this cruiser will be able to do. @tleast in scram range. It will be able to smoke tier 1 battlecruisers close range. Abuse tracking on some and kite others in scram range. Signature tanking for the win? Not to sure about the Moa, but it's damage is sim to the Thorax with alot more tank. The Maller is meh, but ab-maller fleets will do more damage. Well, nothing will change much from these changes, just these ships ability to engage above thier class (battlecruisers). Vexor and Rupture are still top dog, but now the Omen, Bellicose and Caracal may join them.
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 40	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:44:00 - [48] - Quote it does seem that minmatar always come away with the most when things get rebalanced i think the ruppy was largely fine as it was it only needed a slight buff to speed an extra turret slightly more armour HP and reduce their dronebay by about half i would say maybe nerf PG a little.
Helicity Boson Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 492	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:45:00 - [49] - Quote Major Killz wrote: Hmm! The Vexor has become fierce. I don't that people understand what this cruiser will be able to do. @tleast in scram range. It will be able to smoke tier 1 battlecruisers close range. Abuse tracking on some and kite others in scram range. Signature tanking for the win? Not to sure about the Moa, but it's damage is sim to the Thorax with alot more tank. The Maller is meh, but ab-maller fleets will do more damage. Well, nothing will change much from these changes, just these ships ability to engage above thier class (battlecruisers). Vexor and Rupture are still top dog, but now the Omen, Bellicose and Caracal may join them. A vexor will still die to a battleship that has Neuts, Webs or both. and... A vexor already could kill a battleship that doesnt.
Bap1811 Spacecubs 7	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:48:00 - [50] - Quote Here are my thoughts. Maller looks ok, its still gonna lack DPS, it'll be a good brick but not a good ship. With the PG buff you can go 5 focused mediums and 1600 and have like 50K EHP (from memory) but even with 2-3 heat sinks and the new bonus It'll struggle to hit 350DPS (again from memory). Right now it gets 264 with 5 focused pulses so with 25 percent damage bonus it'll indeed be at 330, which is pathetic in a world with 500DPS thorax/vexor/moa/ruptures/probably most of the attack cruisers now. My advice is giving it some drones, you've shown you chose amarr for the secondary drone race, the abaddon can field 5meds, give this 5 lights and it'll reach those much needed dps numbers, (it'll still be lower than most but acceptable: 430ish with hobs). Moa looks like you **** up. I was hoping to god for another mid but god forgive caldari can fit tackle and a tank right. But you ** up twice, you gave it a damage bonus instead of range, before with the range bonus I could afford to not have a web because with null I'd reach 7-8kms and couldnt be kited in web range. Meaning that before I could have a tank and forget the web but the null+range bonus made it so that I couldnt be kited in scram range by web+point ships (also now with every other cruiser being able to fit double web anyway I might as well get ** anyway). Now you removed the range bonus but didnt give it a web. Meaning you are telling me I either need to go TANK/TANK/MWD/SCRAM and have no range control what-so-ever or TANK/SCRAM/WEB/MWD and have all tank, probably one ASB or one LSE which is laughable especially with the ASB nerf. I'd argue this Moa is worse than the current one, regardless of how backwards that sounds when you changed out a range bonus for a damage one. My advice is either keep the damage bonus, drop a low and give it a mid or keep the range bonus and give it more PG/CPU for bigger guns. The vexor just looks *** awesome, ridiculously so actually, actually its overpowered. It was one of the highest DPS/EHP ships before and the extra low is gonna be a damage mod. Lows will be DC/1600/EANM/EANM/drone dmg mod and it'll probably push 600DPS and 40K EHP. I dont see why people seem to be saying that ogres dont hit cruisers, they do. Ogres will hit a webbed and scrammed cruiser no problem and 2/2/1 with a drone damage mod and blasters is just gonna be ridiculous while sporting a 1600 plate tank, people usualy have to sacrifice tank to gank their ships. And the extra mid will just contribute to the lolness of this ship, it'll probably be a second web to 8km kite blaster/AC ships while 2/2/1 *** on them. My advice? It doesnt need the extra low or the extra mid, chose one I guess, I'm not sure but the vexor is pretty solid now, no need to give it 2 more slots when you are giving thhe Moa 0. Rupture looks the same but stronger; it'll have an extra mid for better shield tanking or an utility mid when its armor tanked. Double webs is a stronk possibility so be wary of ruptures 8km kiting everything as well with double webs+ac projection. The second high utility was almost always a small neut anyway so people will just fit a single med neut and have abit of extra cpu/pg to spend elsewhere which is not a problem. I still dont understand why its so fast or how it has such a drone bay but oh well.
Kithian Hastos EVE University Ivy League 6	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:54:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: . . . Vexor: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield Slot layout: 4 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 5 L (+1), 4 turrets Fittings: 800 PWG (+125), 300 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515) Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 1450(+200) / 482.5s(+36.25s) / 3 (+0.2) Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 215(+46) / 0.6(+0.03) / 10310000 / 5.8s (+0.3) Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 / 100 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 52.5km / 280(+4) / 6(+1) Sensor strength: 16 Magnetometric (+2) Signature radius: 145 (-5) Cargo capacity: 480 . . . Interesting choice to drop the utility high but increase PWG, CPU, and capacitor. Are you aiming for a local armor repair in the tank? I also want to propose again the idea that dedicated drone boats could use a bonus that increases the effectiveness of all drones, not just damage. This would present interesting diversity in choice of drones, instead of the current situation which makes a drone boat feel like it's gimping itself by using anything but combat drones. Would an ECM heavy drone with +50% increase in strength be overpowered? How about a Target Painter, Webifying, or Neuting drone? I don't know, but it might be fun to find out!
Reppyk The Black Shell 181	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:56:00 - [52] - Quote About the rupture : -1 med keep the drone bay +1 highslot (eh ?) +1 missile slot DAT MINI PHOON OF DOOM \O/
Dr Sheng-Ji Yang The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate 13	Posted - 2012.10.02 13:59:00 - [53] - Quote Okay...until yet you guys made a really good job but THAT??? Rupture was the uber cruiser until yet. Everyone laughed at Maller and Moa. So you buff the other cruisers AND the rupture???? What the hell? Everyone knows that there were atm only 2 really good tech 1 non faction cruisers for pvp: Rupture and Thorax. And you buff the Rupture???? That thing is still faster than a caracal, Thorax and Omen. And it got a medium slot instead of high slot? IS THAT A JOKE??? ROFL. Edit: Even after these changes everyone will use blasters on the Maller. NERF THE F.... RUPTURE. You know it was the most op cruiser in comparison to the others.
Dato Koppla Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:02:00 - [54] - Quote I'm liking these changes, I assumed the Moa would get the Merlin treatment and that's a good path, but seriously, it needs to drop that utility high for another mid, hell even a low for a mid, as it stands the only tank you can usually fit to a Moa is a single LSE as you need that extra slot for a web with blasters. Vexor is looking solid, still a good gankboat, and 4 mids kind of make up the lack of neut and an extra low is huge, it can probably push 800+ with the changes to drone damage mods as well. Maller is also looking solid, it'll probably still be a brick and lousy for solo because of no drones, but at least with some decent dps it might be able to win a straight up ehp/dps fight with a crapload of EHP, and we have the new Omen for straight up dps. The Rupture...wow, already the most used T1 cruiser, and gaining a second mid and the beefy speed boost is HUGE for the Rupture as it was almost always flown as a nanogank boat, still retains its dps and a medium neut, with the extra cpu to fill that utility mid and a full flight of drones I think it gets a little too much utility, keep the slot layout the same in my opinion.
Harvey James Prospero's Sight 40	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:03:00 - [55] - Quote perhaps the maller should get a rate of fire bonus even a 7.5% damage bonus and increase its cap
Atomic Option Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 22	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:03:00 - [56] - Quote Warde Guildencrantz wrote: 6th moa high->mid (because honestly, you can't get anything useful in that 6th slot, why would you put it. Stop putting placeholder slots) everything else is good the 6th high makes the moa a great ship for nigh unprobable gassing in Wspace.
Arya Greywolf Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 24	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:10:00 - [57] - Quote Galphii wrote: The Maller is still a useless brick, just more... bricky. It doesn't need that big cargohold either, as a laser boat it won't use much for ammo (assuming everyone won't just keep using projectiles on it, because better damage + no cap use = WIN). The Amarr are the 2nd drone race and this thing doesn't even get a set of lights, while the Moa gets to keep its 3 drones? (The Moa's got an extra highslot for a missile launcher, it doesn't need the drones). And without that utility high and cap use bonus the Maller is going to have big power problems; how about an extra midslot to mount a cap booster instead of that extra low (toughness was never its problem, 6 lows is cute but unnecessary, and for the love of god, give it at least a couple of drones). +1. I'm confused also as to why the Maller has 0 drones when it's the 2nd drone race, while MOA and Matar have them... Maller will have the hardest time from the start to hit any smaller object out of all of these ships so it's the one that needs drones the most. Solution: -1 Low and give it 3 light drones.
Dato Koppla Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 63	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:12:00 - [58] - Quote Seconding Moa highslot to mid slot, it needs that extra ability to be competitive. Also, seconding drones on the Maller, its dps is quite anemic and its solo capabilities are completely crushed by lack of drones. Just noticed from someone mentioning above that the speed on the Rupture is faster than all the so called 'fast' Attack cruiser except the Stabber (go figure) which is quite ridiculous, the Rupture is going to remove the need of flying the other races Attack cruisers because why should you when the Rupture moves faster then all of them, more EHP, more dps, 4lights + 1 Med, a medium neut, capless weapons and space for an utility mid?
Frothgar V0LTA Verge of Collapse 40	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:15:00 - [59] - Quote I'd like to see the Maller get a small amount of drone BW and a slightly larger bay 10 bandwidth/20bay. Its not enough to add a significant amount of DPS, but could add some utility in the form of a small flight of Ewar drones, or a pair of small rep drones to rep friends.
Bloodpetal Mimidae Risk Solutions 902	Posted - 2012.10.02 14:17:00 - [60] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Maller: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Energy Turret damage 5% bonus to all Armor Resistances Slot layout: 5 H (-1), 3 M, 6 L, 5 turrets Fittings: 1000 PWG (+100), 280 CPU Why're you taking utility high slots off of the Maller? Seems like having a slot open for NOS is very Amarr. Otherwise, I think the Maller looks a lot sharper. Anyone that thinks that these won't do damage is clueless. CCP Fozzie wrote: Moa: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 5% bonus to shield resistances Slot layout: 6 H, 4 M, 4 L, 5 turrets, 2 launchers Fittings: 800 PWG (+20), 375 CPU (+15) I guess I'm confused now. So the Moa is now a blaster boat? Obviously it can go both ways, but it's going to lean to Blasters here. I was thinking that one way you can balance cruisers out is to increase fitting space so they can put the heaviest guns on a class, while restricting hardpoints, etc. I know it gets tricky on that margin, (balancing defense vs offense) but, with most ships putting the heaviest class of gun on a ship is going to cripple the rest of the ship or require fitting mods - so maybe these cruisers get an advantage with that? (given limited hardpoints as balance?) CCP Fozzie wrote: Vexor: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage 10% bonus to drone hitpoints, damage and mining yield Slot layout: 4 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 5 L (+1), 4 turrets Fittings: 800 PWG (+125), 300 CPU (+30) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1100(-73) / 2000(+515) / 2000(+515) Vexor's became pretty disgusting now with neut and drone setups and can put solid armor plating (or dual ASBs), etc. I'm not sure I'm liking this atm overall. Also, the dual damage bonus seems to break the line with the other setups? Should it get a defensive notch instead of a damage bonus? Just wondering. CCP Fozzie wrote: Rupture: Cruiser skill bonuses: 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret firing speed 5% bonus to Medium Projectile Turret damage Slot layout: 5 H (-1), 4 M (+1), 5 L, 4 turrets, 2 launchers Fittings: 860 PWG, 350 CPU (+25) Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1500(-63) / 1800(+159) / 1600(+37) Yup, that's minmatar. Why have you stripped the utility slot? To stop dual neuting setups? Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting

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