fugly as the Arbitrator.

Probably not, because the Maller's losing its utility spare after the patch, and I don't know many people who are going to pull off a turret for a neut. Especially not on a ship that needs all the cap it can get, and a neut will only hurt that more.

Trust me, he was. Go back a few more posts and get a feel for the argument and the examples presented. I am well aware of the current Maller proposal.

Ed. I can understand how the confusion occurred. The language could be clearer.

GTFO!!!
Awesome looking ship. Would love to see it revamped with more detail, but the basic shape is great.

A) Rupture only has 5 highs (only 1 utility slot).. so you're OK with Rupture sacrificing a Turret to for a utility mid (to fit the two neuts)? Or, you made a mistake?

B) fit a Med Booster.

That gives you a Cap stable, Neut resistant fit that has >40K EHP, >1200m/s, >300 DPS to >20Km.

No, it's pretty bland looking in terms of both basic shape and details. It's easily the weakest in terms of aesthetics of the Amarr cruisers

The way I understand it, the CC rebalance puts the vexor in a unique position as the only combat cruiser being formulated from what was originally a tier 2 cruiser; the others are all sourced from formerly tier 3 cruisers. The vexor seems to be getting a rather more substantial buff than the other hulls due to this circumstance it would seem. Doesn't this give rise to the awkward situation of the gallente being the only race with a faction derivative of their combat cruiser, while all other navy cruisers are derived from support and attack cruisers? And will the navy vexor be getting an appropriate buff to prevent it from becoming an expensive, obsolete, somewhat vestigial orphan of a faction tier 2 cruiser?

So last night, I managed to get a look at the Rupture as well as the Moa.

Moa is brilliant. It's a ship that, while slow, has offensive and defensive power to make up for it (though medium railguns are incredibly lackluster on this hull due to the whole "lol rails" factor- Seriously, 5 200mm railgun IIs, CN antimatter? About 200 DPS. It's not exactly an Alpha boat either. Also of note is that this is with three magstabs.) It'll definitely have to rely on being in a gang and smaller, faster tackle to be fully effective, but it's a shield-brick that can hurt if it's packing blasters. No fitting issues with Ions, nice balanced fit between offense and defense in addition to a web.

Rupture: Fragile, reasonably fast even with plates (very fast if fit otherwise though not as fast as the Stabber), suffers from Stabberitis in terms of it's very poor damage potential. I'm surprised that four double damage bonused projectiles aren't very effective. Yes, the Rupture has drones, but this doesn't quite push it into the range of the Moa or Vexor. Will have to look at how it behaves when fit with artillery; with ACs it's kind of mediocre, to be honest. Perhaps artillery ruptures will be decent.

So it seems that Minmatar might have been dethroned as the top tier PvP ships cruiser and down, I think; now there are actual downsides to using them. Some will whine. Others such as myself are not exactly as put out, because this means that there's going to be far, far more variety out there in PvP.

I am not sure whether I agree with the trend of providing the 5% damage bonus to Caldari ships past the Merlin. Although the Moa will still be awesome with either bonus, I believe the optimal range bonus makes the Moa unique and allows it to reach out to extreme ranges as well as providing a different play style with blasters - giving that extra range that helps exponentially. (Atleast to me)

With the Merlin the bonus is extremely useful as it did not have the fire power to be remotely as useful sniper. As well as the fact that majority of frigate engagements are within 10km, the optimal bonus did not benefit it enough to make a difference in comparison to the damage bonus. Regardless I will continue to use the Moa with either changes. I just hope that the Rokh maintains this bonus as the large guns benefit greatly from the extra range.

Basically I am just saying to look out for homogenization of skill bonuses.

that is admittedly a significant point of concern, particularly as we move up the tiers and reach the ships such as the rokh. however, in the grand scheme of things i can see the damage bonuses working "well" within the overall caldari fluffed doctrine. a shield of close range, but slow, vessels serving as an escort for the more fragile but significantly longer ranged platforms and dedicated sniper ships.

just a thought

that is admittedly a significant point of concern, particularly as we move up the tiers and reach the ships such as the rokh. however, in the grand scheme of things i can see the damage bonuses working "well" within the overall caldari fluffed doctrine. a shield of close range, but slow, vessels serving as an escort for the more fragile but significantly longer ranged platforms and dedicated sniper ships.

just a thought

Just noticed that the rupture is faster than all the other races Attack cruisers. Seems kinda broke IMO.

rupture still king.

It is actually now slower then all the races attack cruisers, has the equivalent of 5 bonused guns and no real extra tank.

Rupture 210m/s
Thorax 240m/s
Omen 235m/s
Caracal 230m/s
Stabber 290m/s

A Neut is the only thing it has to its name now. They changed it a while back.

I want to see it get 5 Guns, 7.5% Dmg, 7.5% Tracking remove the Drone Bay and move the 5th low to a mid -200 Armor HP +200 Shield. Make it an Arty Whelp Boat or a High Tracking 425mm Gun Ship. 425 DPS with 425mm Guns and 3 Gyro's Faction Ammo (coincidence.) 330 DPS with 720mm Artillery with 3 Gyro's and Faction Ammo, 3640 Volley.

Then give that 30m3 Drone Bay to the Stabber too fix the DPS problem and drop the speed to 265m/s. Unique Gunship added, Stabber good DPS but not too fast.

I'm onboard with these suggestions except for the 7.5% bonus, seems a little unfair that all the other 5 turret combat cruisers get a 5% damage bonus and the Rupture gets a 7.5% bonus, no reason for that, its not like projectiles need more help than other turrets, with the added 7.5% tracking it's already a significant buff. The rest is reasonable and will help differentiate the Stabber and Rupture.

To compensate it for the loss of its Drone Bay. In fact I might have screwed up the Dmg Calc and it would need a 7.5% RoF to get the same number as the lost Drone Bay. Right now it is slower then the Caracal has the equivalent of 5 Turrets and no second bonus, the only good thing about it is the Neut. A full tracking Turret Ship would at least give it something unique.

to me this balancing pass gives every other race what they really want , along with some versatility , while the amarr are stuck with armour , along with no utility highs , less than average damage , and terrible cap usage

I think Mimmy pilots are not at the top of the food chain now and cant just kite and kill everything. Now if they commit to a fight they might lose their ship.

to me this balancing pass gives every other race what they really want , along with some versatility , while the amarr are stuck with armour , along with no utility highs , less than average damage , and terrible cap usage

Really? Mallers can do 700 dps now while still having good hitpoints.