The Maller basically need either a fourth mid or a utility high.


It just doesn't have the cap to sustain the guns without either so its useless, And if you put on a booster now instead of a web it can't actually hit anything and were back to it being useless.


I know the idea was basically a mini abaddon but the idea sadly is faulty, it isn't a battleship and it doesn't have the slots to be able to pull it off..

2 minutes of cap with just guns/tackle running is pathetic, and worse, useless.

The Maller doesn't need any buffs in its current iteration. You people asking for buffs should analyze its potential a bit more or wait for actual testing. I expect people to scream bloody murder once they realize how strong it is in straight up combat. Take a 1600mm plate Omen which is a strong brawler. The Maller is going to be significantly better than the Omen. The only way this could possibly be balanced is by giving the ship several severe drawbacks:

1. Extremely cap hungry
2. Three mids only which means one of the four critical mid slot modules is going to be missing.
3. Worst cruiser to fight frigates with. The three light drones help a bit but not much.
4. Slow.

I'm fine with this kind of extreme design but only comprehensive testing can tell how this plays out and if it's balanced in the bigger picture. In the context of 1v1 duels (which is what most test server feedback is based on) the Maller will be seen as overpowered without a doubt.

the omen isn't really a strong brawler.. a 1600 omen loses to a 800 thorax if the fight starts at 0.

Do you realize how skewed your image of what consitutes a 'strong brawler' is? If the Thorax couldn't win this then it would be 100% useless.

I don't think I'm underestimating anything. It's very clear from the numbers (EFT with retribution data helps) and I've spent 2 hours testing the new Omen to get a feel for the non-numbers part. The (plated) Omen and Maller are very similar so they can be easily compared.

No i said a 1600 omen couldn't win a 800 thorax = a omen with 30k ehp can't win a thorax with 20k ehp

the omen isn't really a strong brawler.. a 1600 omen loses to a 800 thorax if the fight starts at 0.

No i said a 1600 omen couldn't win a 800 thorax = a omen with 30k ehp can't win a thorax with 20k ehp

I'm also quite sure that a Maller would lose to a shield rupture in a brawl at 0.. It wouldn't be able to keep its guns running even close to long enough to kill it..

Make up your mind. By the way, my plated Omen killed every single Thorax I fought so (including TD fits) I'm not really sure how you get this idea that a plated Omen cannot beat a Thorax. Admittedly, I never had a fight start at 0 but I would expect to lose.



I'm guessing in your mind the Maller is only fine when it beats every other cruiser and fit?

"if they start at 0" ..... Therefore, don't start a fight with a Thorax at zero. Balance achieved. My work here is done.

Id give up a bit of the Maller's vaunted damage for a bit more cap time. As slow as it is, there will rarely be in 1v1 fights with it, and when it is, most of the time the opponent can just run away, letting them dictate weather the fight even happens (Poor mid slots, and / or forced need of cap battery will limit chances of locking down the opponent). The ships that will try to fight it will namely be any and every ship with a neut on board, which will strip down the Maller's ability to do anything other than drone damage amazingly fast.

*DISCLAIMER* I am going by what I see on paper, eft, and some feedback from others since I can not currently get myself onto test. So if in application this is not how it is panning out, fantastic.


~Z

I know the idea was basically a mini abaddon but the idea sadly is faulty, it isn't a battleship and it doesn't have the slots to be able to pull it off...

With reduced damage the fight will draw out longer, meaning more total cap required to destroy the opponent and more time for the opponent to destroy your cap. It's better to give up hitpoints for cap life and you can do that with cap and elutriation rigs (instead of trimarks). I'm not sure if it's worthwhile but it's at least a theoretical option.

Am I the only one who noticed the 500k mass addition to the cruisers (1 mil to the vexor) to make them slower? The ruppy will be rendered unviable for nano work after this, especially against the new attack cruiser stats...

ah what a shame for the ruppy maybe people might want to plate it instead wouldn't that be a crime

Balance is good. On the subject of the moa, its BONUSES look awesome, but the ship itself looks like the unholy love child of a giraffe and trash compactor. I seriously hope ccp gives it a new model like they did the stabber. Plz moar moa love?

...but the ship itself looks like the unholy love child of a giraffe and trash compactor. I seriously hope ccp gives it a new model like they did the stabber. Plz moar moa love?

Am I the only one who noticed the 500k mass addition to the cruisers (1 mil to the vexor) to make them slower? The ruppy will be rendered unviable for nano work after this, especially against the new attack cruiser stats...

Still it's nowhere near as fugly as the Blackbird or Bellicose. Or Arbitrator. Or Celestis.

Hey, I'm noticing a pattern here.

...and what is wrong with it? The only thing that out of place is that vexor is faster than rupture. Other than that it is ok. Attack cruisers should be faster than combat ones.

Id give up a bit of the Maller's vaunted damage for a bit more cap time. As slow as it is, there will rarely be in 1v1 fights with it, and when it is, most of the time the opponent can just run away, letting them dictate weather the fight even happens (Poor mid slots, and / or forced need of cap battery will limit chances of locking down the opponent). The ships that will try to fight it will namely be any and every ship with a neut on board, which will strip down the Maller's ability to do anything other than drone damage amazingly fast.

*DISCLAIMER* I am going by what I see on paper, eft, and some feedback from others since I can not currently get myself onto test. So if in application this is not how it is panning out, fantastic.


~Z

You can choose to do this. Eve allows you to fit less than the maximum turrets. Bingo utility high.

So I have to ask, what's with the vexor having 13 total slots and the other 3 cruisers having 14?

Drone ships always get one less slot

Seriously though a Maller with tackle guns running with one med neut and one small neut on him (shield rupture) lasts 44 seconds. Which is enough time to take down about Half of the ruptures tank.... and that is assuming you start at 100% cap which NEVER happens, so it would be more like 25 seconds.

*Snip*

Even then i'm sceptical... I'm not someone who thinks lasers should be homogenized down to using way less cap and losing their flavor.. But its clear that THIS doesn't work.

And it is always terrible...

Wivabel

A) Rupture only has 5 highs (only 1 utility slot).. so you're OK with Rupture sacrificing a Turret to for a utility mid (to fit the two neuts)? Or, you made a mistake?

B) fit a Med Booster.

That gives you a Cap stable, Neut resistant fit that has >40K EHP, >1200m/s, >300 DPS to >20Km.

A) Rupture only has 5 highs (only 1 utility slot).. so you're OK with Rupture sacrificing a Turret to for a utility mid (to fit the two neuts)? Or, you made a mistake?.

I think he meant a med neut on the Maller and a small neut coming from the Rupture.