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Elizabeth Brown
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.12 18:48:00 -
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Nice to see this thread resurface. No sarcasm.
If only CCP would actually pay attention. |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
38
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Posted - 2013.08.12 19:12:00 -
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Elizabeth Brown wrote:If only CCP would actually pay attention.
Yeah seriously. Id love to see some kind of response to this thread by CCP. Whats going to happen after the POS overhaul? What other extremely large projects need fixing? Null sec sov maybe? Then what? I question how many hours of work these tweaks have actually taken, considering they used to make giant additions with each patch. Remember Apocrypha? How is one of these new patches even half what that expansion was? I like the tweaks, but it cant be taking all of everyone's time, especially since they listen to the community (Sitting and waiting/listening for weeks of feedback isn't actually working on anything).
This kind of polish is great, but finish this **** already. Its been a long time since Incarna, get your tweaks done with and move forward with new features like WiS or else this game is going to die, and your company will be taken down with it. Null sec players wont keep this game alive, they only have the largest mouths, and the most freetime. |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
319
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:23:00 -
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I've long suspected that CCP are secretly putting in 80% of their resources into non eve projects in order to diversify their income stream, whilst pretending to be busy with ui improvements and ship balancing.
I don't mind this as all businesses need multiple income sources to be healthy but CCP should come out and tell us the truth,that they've started working on something else. I thought wod development was completely cancelled, suddenly it's back on.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Alaekessa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
117
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Posted - 2013.08.12 23:40:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Eraza wrote:personally, i'm still waiting hopeful on this feature, more then most others
one thing i have never understood, what happened with the clothing we can see in the market, and is STILL not seeded ingame?
it looks finished to the point it just needs a price tag, or am i missing something?
can we at the very least have that stuff? some of those things look quite cool to be honest.. Heh. I suggested that in the "reasonable things" crowdsourcing effort and our beloved and representative CSM downturned it to cram in yet another UI improvement. But then, caveat emptor! The last time they released clothing items, most of them ended up at Faction Warfare's Loyalty Point stores (because, PvPrs are known to care about dressing their avatars). I would *love* to see if a single one of those items is redeemed each day week...
I would assume that this was done to get more people involved in FW.
I wonder if that was an "Op Success"....
C'mon CCP, let us suicide gank the high-sec pub matches in Dust..... |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1573
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:57:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:I've long suspected that CCP are secretly putting in 80% of their resources into non eve projects in order to diversify their income stream, whilst pretending to be busy with ui improvements and ship balancing.
I don't mind this as all businesses need multiple income sources to be healthy but CCP should come out and tell us the truth,that they've started working on something else. I thought wod development was completely cancelled, suddenly it's back on.
Essentially I agree with that. I think CCP has seen the writing on the wall for EVE and are readying themselves for a post-EVE scenario.
I don't know what where the plans for DUST 514, but it looks like a new scion was implanted on an old trunk, and rather than bring new life to the trunk, the scion has been tainted by the old trunk and is drying.
That begs the question, is it worth to keep adding stuff to EVE? Specially when the playerbase opposes everything not related to the old tainted complexity that pevents further development? You want to add a ship, that's four ships actually (1 per faction), and must be balanced against 200+ other ships b/c nobdy wants Supercaps 2. That doesn't helps innovation. And if you try to do something not entangled to spaceship gameplay... you're not welcome. Not at all.
So at the moment, WoD looks a way more promising game than EVE. Of course, I am the happy happy joy joy kind and i seriously doubt CCP can get it right with WoD (hint: it's nice to attract female players, but the kind of testosterone riddled ubercompetitive gameplay sported in EVE won't keep them interested for long). But nonetheless, just by being a new PI and being aimed at a bigger and unexploited niche, WoD is way more promising.
If I was an investor, would look at the bloody mess that it's EVE, the horrendous man-hours wasted just dealing with its nightmareish complexity, and would ask CCP to place my money on WoD. Wouldn't even comment on the price paid to have 3,000 guys online at DUST.
Think of it, there are at last two massive old crap iteration efforts pending: POS and SOV. Compared to the scale of the last expansions, we're dealing with fishing killer whales with the same tools providing us sardines each 6 monrhs. And even by fixing those two isues, CCP would be pleasing less than 10% the playerbase (an improvement over the "lucky 1%" in last expansions), and also would be risking to break the game completely.
There is no room left to innovation, player retention or playerbase increase for the next two years (the same as after Incarna)... unless CCP begins selling another game.
The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
64
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Posted - 2013.08.13 12:32:00 -
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i think you are a tad pessimistic, and that's unusual coming from me
with this many concurrent subscribers, eve is not likely to die any time soon,
unless ccp intentionally murders it by messing up the core of the game,
which adding content ELSEWHERE will NOT do
i admit it has appeared that ccp has moved staff from eve to other projects, but then again,
we dont exactly know what they are up to, this is guesswork, which should be done carefully
i would perhaps have a clue, but the ******* fanfest sold out before i got a ticket, so i missed all that
this is also the first fanfest to sell out, ever, another hint that stopping content development would be a STUPID idea :)
i also dont think ccp has any competition with sandbox space mmo's
i looked around carefully, when WiS was cancelled,
BECAUSE WiS was cancelled(not because the launch fail or disagreement with the ideas)
and NOPE, nothing on the market comes close to replacing eve
so now all i can really do is try to help CCP notice, that unlike some old ideas, like atmospheric flight, that as incredibly cool it looked, but i kind of dont miss it much
other cancelled features i dont even remember
WiS, no, that's not forgotten
i still dream about the day when you open that door
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN! |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1575
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Posted - 2013.08.13 13:07:00 -
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Eraza wrote:i think you are a tad pessimistic, and that's unusual coming from me
with this many concurrent subscribers, eve is not likely to die any time soon,
unless ccp intentionally murders it by messing up the core of the game,
which adding content ELSEWHERE will NOT do
Well, i agree that i am in the pessimistic end of the spectrum. But i am not just seeing the world through a grim lens, there is something real behind my words.
Subscription numbers are deceitful as we're talking about accounts that provide less revenue per player. Yes, they have me subscribbed (+1 account, huzzah), but they've got 55 euros instead of 90 (-35 euros, sure they won't be missing them?). And hang me if I would be around if I had to pay full price for the reheated porridge they're serving. 
Also, multiple accounts are becoming the latest marketing tool and mutliboxing is becoming a "standard procedure". They're not selling the game anymore, they are re-selling it to current and former customers. They're scooping in 2 or 3 years every former subscriber that could return and every current subscriber that could be interested (or forced) to have more than one acount. But then, what's after 2014? Who will be left to come, see the game is the same as when he left, and say g-bye for greener pastures?
WiS was the future, and CCP not only killed the future, but has deserted it even for the "core" gameplay.
And yet, "core" gameplay has stretched itself well beyond sustainable complexity. They really need to do OTHER things, totally unconnected to the core game, if they want to add new content.
According to Malcanis, there is a plan. But we're at the end of the post-Incarna plan and I can't see why did they bothered at all. POS untouched, SOV untouched, WiS abandoned and expansions barely deserve being called patches. Was this a plan?
The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
67
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:06:00 -
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well, obviously they cant just announce a full return of WiS,
they got burned by it last time, so it needs to be carefully done(and free of "greed is good" memos)
also, we have not heard what's planned for the winter expansion, apparently they are being sneaky about *something*
lets be optimistic that's some actual content they have.
as much as the balance stuff is needed, it's not quite "new content"
Return varied color to Gallente ships! not everything looks good in DARK GREEN! |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2005
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:18:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:WiS was the future, and CCP not only killed the future...
Okay stop. STAHP.
CCP didn't kill it, they felt compelled to switch strategy to appease an angry player base who overreacted to an unpopular attitude, and have been leery of going back to it because of those precise same overreacting players.
Blame everyone who shot that statue in Jita.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dimaloun Vyreen
Venture Corporation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:29:00 -
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This would've been awesome. |
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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.08.13 14:51:00 -
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This sounds like an obscure and seemingly irrelivent question, but chat boxes are still going to be available if this exploration stuff in implemented, right?
Mics are great and all, but a little impractical for those of us who can't talk. |
Dimaloun Vyreen
Venture Corporation
8
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Posted - 2013.08.13 15:17:00 -
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Jennifer Maxwell wrote:This sounds like an obscure and seemingly irrelivent question, but chat boxes are still going to be available if this exploration stuff in implemented, right?
Mics are great and all, but a little impractical for those of us who can't talk.
I assume so. It'd be impractical to remove it.
There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-" |
Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1756
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:41:00 -
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Dimaloun Vyreen wrote:Jennifer Maxwell wrote:This sounds like an obscure and seemingly irrelivent question, but chat boxes are still going to be available if this exploration stuff in implemented, right?
Mics are great and all, but a little impractical for those of us who can't talk. I assume so. It'd be impractical to remove it.
I'm not personally sure I would want local broadcasted from inside an Avatar environment. A separate chat perhaps...
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2012
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:43:00 -
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A separate chat would effectively make it an instance, really. I think we're all against that, right?
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1756
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:51:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:A separate chat would effectively make it an instance, really. I think we're all against that, right?
No not really, because an instance is inaccessible by others on the outside. By your logic, each system is an instance. Although you could see it like that anyone can jump into a system. So long as people can dock and join you (to kill you or otherwise), it's not really an instance the way Eve looks at it.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2012
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Posted - 2013.08.13 16:52:00 -
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You make a good point and I stand corrected.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC
The Last Chancers.
703
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Posted - 2013.08.13 17:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:A separate chat would effectively make it an instance, really. I think we're all against that, right?
If anyone and everyone can find it and join it, then by definition it's not an instance.
If it was a special case of a new, on-grid chat channel, then I'd be delighted. Think of how many sci-fi shows have nearby ships hailing each other, but in EVE you can't do it (easily) without either whispering to one ship or shouting to the entire solar system you're in.
You can put the odds of CCP adding instanced content to EVE at zero.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
257
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Posted - 2013.08.13 17:25:00 -
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CCP t0rfifrans wrote:Hey guys, thanks for the positive reaction. Like stated above, our vision is to make the EVE Universe the ultimate science fiction simulator. Saying that EVE is just about spaceships, is a bit like saying that phones should only be about making voice phone calls one on one with other people. Indeed they did start out like that, but as technology evolved, they become something much bigger. We hope you guys stay with us long enough for that dream to materialize.
Unless the devs keep the game, the watchman quoteth in vain.
In after the lock :P
- CCP Falcon |
Silent Rambo
Legion of Seven
41
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Posted - 2013.08.13 19:36:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:You make a good point and I stand corrected.
You are obviously not from the internet. |
Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2031
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Posted - 2013.08.13 23:27:00 -
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Nah, see, I troll people by not arguing with them. It's a meta thing.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
1759
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Posted - 2013.08.14 11:14:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Nah, see, I troll people by not arguing with them. It's a meta thing.
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
180
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Posted - 2013.08.14 13:53:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:WiS was the future, and CCP not only killed the future... CCP didn't kill it, they felt compelled to switch strategy to appease an angry player base who overreacted to an unpopular attitude, and have been leery of going back to it because of those precise same overreacting players. Blame everyone who shot that statue in Jita.
I don't think its overreacting over 4 captains quarters where you can do nothing and microtransaction based loonacy.
CCP got what they deserve, they certainly havn't been too forthcoming over the future of avatar gameplay recently,
what features it has maybe because they don't/didn't have any. If they didn't have anything meaningful to avatar
gameplay to begin with they shouldn't have bothered with it. |
Iskander Phoenix
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:23:00 -
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I personally think this would be fantastic. It would actually give function to something that's been so far only aesthetic in eve. The avatars. The extension of the economy into new areas would be awesome. But I think they should just wait to do this till after the complete the core gameplay changes. Like pos and sov and the ship rebalancing. But after that! Then holy crap could this be great! |
Jexis Ghan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2013.08.14 15:47:00 -
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Recently played a game called "Entropia Universe". Great idea, loved the sandbox evironment and collecting resources. Fly / drive around in vehicles etc, even multiple players on single space ships handling turrets etc. Team raids on resources on planets, trade etc etc and so on and so forth. Game is a total sink drain on the wallet though and you can't play it for a week without dumping $30 into it, I finish up in a week with them and will never play again, but great idea there.
Eve is by far the more advanced game, seeing the same idea incorporated would be fantastic. Everyone wants a more immersive environment, edging slowly towards a more real world. Single pod single player ships have been fun, but imagine the team work involved on running a battleship, or being able to not just fight on a planet but have an operational market for on world goods too.
For most, Eve would be an escape from one life to another, and the more you can immerse yourself into that world the better. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11237
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Posted - 2013.08.14 17:25:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:A separate chat would effectively make it an instance, really. I think we're all against that, right?
No that's not what an instance is. Jita isn't an instance because it has a seperate local from Perimiter.
1 Kings 12:11
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Stitcher
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
2038
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Posted - 2013.08.14 17:32:00 -
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you must have missed the bit where somebody else pointed that out and I agreed and stood corrected.
I mean, I know that's a rare thing on the Internet, but come on.
An in-character blog and a video:
http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
11238
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Posted - 2013.08.14 19:14:00 -
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Indeed I did. People misusing "instance" is one of my push buttons.
1 Kings 12:11
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
321
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:41:00 -
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Iskander Phoenix wrote:I personally think this would be fantastic. It would actually give function to something that's been so far only aesthetic in eve. The avatars. The extension of the economy into new areas would be awesome. But I think they should just wait to do this till after the complete the core gameplay changes. Like pos and sov and the ship rebalancing. But after that! Then holy crap could this be great!
Thing is though, you can balance ships indefinitely, if we wait for other things to get done, eve will be stuck in an infinite loop and no new content will be added.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Dimaloun Vyreen
Venture Corporation
10
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Posted - 2013.08.15 22:56:00 -
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Little Dragon Khamez wrote:Iskander Phoenix wrote:I personally think this would be fantastic. It would actually give function to something that's been so far only aesthetic in eve. The avatars. The extension of the economy into new areas would be awesome. But I think they should just wait to do this till after the complete the core gameplay changes. Like pos and sov and the ship rebalancing. But after that! Then holy crap could this be great! Thing is though, you can balance ships indefinitely, if we wait for other things to get done, eve will be stuck in an infinite loop and no new content will be added.
Very true. Stagnation is not a goodthing.
There are three things you say to the police. "Yes, sir", "No, sir" and "I want a lawyer". There is one thing you say to Concord, "Wait, it wasn-" |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
Kill It With Fire
198
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Posted - 2013.08.15 23:50:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indeed I did. People misusing "instance" is one of my push buttons.
In this instance I can relate to you.  |
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