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Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
51
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:03:00 -
[61] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument. Well it works for the Republican Party. |

Red Teufel
Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda
83
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 -
[62] - Quote
awww but you see you must blend in you must be part of the local my young padawon. you are a tree in the forest. |

Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
437
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:We got handed space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And now we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and attacking MOAR space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And in between, we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and smashing HIGHSEC space so we can STOP them living in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
fixed it for ya. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1006
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:05:00 -
[64] - Quote
Shobon Welp wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument. Well it works for the Republican Party.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Look its one of the herd coming to defend local and hide behind its safety of instant Intel.
And more of the sheep people show them selfs. He even sounds like one too. "Here they come to predictably explain why I'm wrong. These fools. Never mind that their position actually makes a hell of a lot more sense than mine." http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
319
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Val'Dore wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"It works for wormholes, so it should work for nullsec. Right? RIGHT?" lol no. Why not? Multiple reasons. It's impossible to hot drop in wormhole space, and it's impossible to catch ratters who are watching dscan carefully unless you have previously already bookmarked all of the sites in a wormhole. It's also much easier to secure and guard a wormhole space system and any incursions are likely to be much smaller and less organized. But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument.
All they have said is it makes running there null empires harder and to that all I say is htfu A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1595
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:05:00 -
[66] - Quote
Touval Lysander wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:We got handed space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And now we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and defending MOAR space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And in between, we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and smashing HIGHSEC space so we can STOP them living in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
fixed it for ya. Explain. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1006
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:07:00 -
[67] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Val'Dore wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:"It works for wormholes, so it should work for nullsec. Right? RIGHT?" lol no. Why not? Multiple reasons. It's impossible to hot drop in wormhole space, and it's impossible to catch ratters who are watching dscan carefully unless you have previously already bookmarked all of the sites in a wormhole. It's also much easier to secure and guard a wormhole space system and any incursions are likely to be much smaller and less organized. But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument. All they have said is it makes running there null empires harder and to that all I say is htfu More pointless rhetoric. Maybe I should take away your overview and tell you to HTFU. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
51
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:08:00 -
[68] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Shobon Welp wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument. Well it works for the Republican Party. Mirima Thurander wrote:Look its one of the herd coming to defend local and hide behind its safety of instant Intel.
And more of the sheep people show them selfs. He even sounds like one too. "Here they come to predictably explain why I'm wrong. These fools. Never mind that their position actually makes a hell of a lot more sense than mine." "Facts" and "Evidence" are a Liberal Plot To Destroy America wormspace. |

Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
227
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:18:00 -
[69] - Quote
Posting in another thread by someone who has no idea how nullsec works. |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
319
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:20:00 -
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Do any of you know why local even was part of the game to start with?
To provide a social option like an irc chat room. But eve has moved beyond the need.of.a.local chat room with corp channels and private channels.vents and ts. Mumble jabber and skype.
There's no need for it and ever one that's defended it has used the same old dry responses hidden behind a wall of text and boils down to local makes me safe so I want to keep it.
That's the resion it needs to be removed from null. Your not safe in less you can make it safe. Why do you feel the need for Instant Intel?
Why do 90% of all null sec dwellers run and dock as soon as they see a mute jump In system?
Any argument that has I use local for x, and that reasion ends up being something besides.talking to.friends Is a unintended use of local.
So make all you arguments you want local.was ment for chating NOT as a intel tool. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
831
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:23:00 -
[71] - Quote
I use local to say 'gf' when I blow up. Nothing Found |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1007
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:Do any of you know why local even was part of the game to start with?
To provide a social option like an arc chat room. But eve has moved beyond the need.of.a.local chat room with corp channels and private channels.vents and ts. Mumble jabber and skype.
There's no need for it and ever one that's defended it has used the same old dry responses hidden behind a wall of text and boils down to local makes me safe so I want to keep it.
That's the resion it needs to be removed from null. Your not safe in less you can make it safe. Why do you feel the need for Instant Intel?
Why do 90% of all null sec dwellers run and dock as soon as they see a mute jump In system?
Any argument that has I use local for x, and that reasion ends up being something besides.talking to.friends Is a unintended use of local.
So make all you arguments you want local.was ment for chating NOT as a intel tool. Your argument ignores the consequences of removing local, which is exactly what we've been telling you. You don't want to hear it, obviously.
Are you mad you can't find people to kill in nullsec? Your combat record would seem to suggest as much. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
52
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:24:00 -
[73] - Quote
You can kick and scream all you like but your OP is still dumb |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1991
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:26:00 -
[74] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote: Why do 90% of all null sec dwellers run and dock as soon as they see a mute jump In system?
Why do 90% of all wormhole dwellers run and dock as soon as they d-scan one of my probes? The choice is clear - introduce wormhole stabilizers and remove free cynojamming so that wormhole players can enjoy some gfs. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1638
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:26:00 -
[75] - Quote
Sarah Schneider wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:We got handed space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And now we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and defending MOAR space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
And in between, we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and smashing HIGHSEC space so we can STOP them living in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?
fixed it for ya. Explain. Sockpuppets can't demonstrate comprehension, silly!
Touval thinks every thread is about suicide ganking miners in high-sec.
I think he thinks everybody in null-sec is me. I've had him blocked for quite a while now, but seeing his posts turn up in totally unrelated threads beating the same broken drum is really pretty amusing.
Touval for CSM. At least then we'd have names! 
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Also, the OP isn't very good. Stargates propagate local frequencies.
Cloaks should prevent you from appearing in local though, IMHO.
AFK Cloaky Alts fixed as a byproduct. If they're cloaked and AFK they'll never be in local.
[/edit] He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
11
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:31:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:How the hell does not having local increase the number of targets? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
They don't need to remove local, they need to remove cloaked ships from local; that's all.
Indeed, my internet connection isn't stable enough to AFK cloak for more than an hour . Also, could ECM be reworked to jam local? |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
320
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:36:00 -
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You want you local keep it give me a way leave it and.never show up on your local and I'm fine with it.
But u don't want that u want to see me as soon as I jump in system so u can speed off to your safe spot and dock up. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1638
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:37:00 -
[78] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:You want you local keep it give me a way leave it and.never show up on your local and I'm fine with it.
But u don't want that u want to see me as soon as I jump in system so u can speed off to your safe spot and dock up. If I had my way, it'd be called a cloak. Thanks for your concessions. He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1993
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
if we wanted safety, we'd gladly trade local for sleeper rats and the ability to shut down stargates whenever we feel like going into 'ratting mode' or a neighboring alliance wants to take our sov
that's why the average wormhole pilot is able to have 1/5th the PVP action of the average nullsec pilot, after all |

Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
53
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Posted - 2012.10.20 21:55:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:You want you local keep it give me a way leave it and.never show up on your local and I'm fine with it. Oh, I see. You don't want to remove local, you want to remove local as an intel gathering tool for everyone else whilst being able to still use it as an intel gathering tool yourself.
Quote:But u don't want that u want to see me as soon as I jump in system so u can speed off to your safe spot and dock up. A much more reasonable solution has been put forward elsewhere: you don't show in local until your gatecloak wears off. Combine that with a much higher rate of warp acceleration and deceleration for smaller ships (perhaps related to the ship's mass, or agility modifier), and the window of opportunity to say 'crap, neutral in local, better warp off to safety' before the frigate scout gets a point on you is much reduced.
Removing local outright, or 'delayed' local ,which are effectively the same thing, simply moves the majority of the ratting and mining targets back to the safety of Empire, turns 0.0 combat into groups of people stumbling around blindly in the darkness and occasionally bumping into each other, makes roaming gangs a tedious exercise of re-probing at every jump (especially since there'll be far fewer ratters and miners out there to gank in the first place), and turns wider 0.0 habitation and combat into a one-dimensional 'covops cloak or don't bother' arena. |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
321
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:20:00 -
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Bah your all trying to hard ccp has said using.local for Intel.was.unintended but nope u still think it should be keep that way because.it makes.it.easy. I don't like easy, but HATE cowards that use local to go hide in station.or.pos ever.time a nute.comes.in system.
PS ******* phone typing sucks. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5252
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:27:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I would refine that even further and say only ships that can fit a Cov ops cloak become invisible in local. Because covert and local are mutually incompatible. It's a complete waste of training as it is right now.
"my 4 days of training doesn't make me 100% invulnerable abloo bloo bloo blooooooo" This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5252
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:30:00 -
[83] - Quote
i've said it before and i'll say it again
if you advocate for the removal of local from nullsec, you should also advocate for giving us the ability to project power into wormholes the same way we do into other nullsec systems, up to and including supercapital blobs This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5252
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:30:00 -
[84] - Quote
oh wait no that'd be too inconvenient for those poor wormholers we can't be making things hard for them can we :( This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
321
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:38:00 -
[85] - Quote
So your afraid of surprise station attacks? Or what you don't like the idea of not knowing 100% there's no hostiles in system. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5252
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:49:00 -
[86] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:So your afraid of surprise station attacks? Or what you don't like the idea of not knowing 100% there's no hostiles in system.
what, you don't like the idea that killing something takes a little more effort than checking the map for NPC kills, flying to a system and pointing them with a bomber? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
321
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:55:00 -
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How about let's remove the little +, =, and - from showing up in local chat how u can't tell if I'm bad guy or not. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
832
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:57:00 -
[88] - Quote
Mirima Thurander wrote:how u can't tell if I'm bad guy or not. -»\_(pâä)_/-» Nothing Found |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
328
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Posted - 2012.10.20 22:58:00 -
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Preserve the lore
Remove cloaked ships from local.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5252
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Posted - 2012.10.20 23:00:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Preserve the lore
Remove cloaked ships from local.
yeah i'd love to just park a cloaked hictor on a beacon and be absolutely undetectable when somebody shows up to scout it, waiting for something to come through so I can decloak, light my cyno and drop my nyx on it This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |
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