You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.

"It works for wormholes, so it should work for nullsec. Right? RIGHT?"
lol no.

Look its one of the herd coming to defend local and hide behind its safety of instant Intel.


And more of the sheep people show them selfs.

How the hell does not having local increase the number of targets? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

They don't need to remove local, they need to remove cloaked ships from local; that's all.

You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Never ever do what this guy asks ccp !!!

Cloak alts serve a purpose, it's a valid tactic and pressure over enemies and everyone uses them. And then you silly idea will simply and definitively eradicate from the game hot-dropping and the purpose of cloacky characters.
It's their purpose, deal with it or die.

If they remove local how will I smack in local?

Never ever do what this guy asks ccp !!!

Cloak alts serve a purpose, it's a valid tactic and pressure over enemies and everyone uses them. And then you silly idea will simply and definitively eradicate from the game hot-dropping and the purpose of cloacky characters.
It's their purpose, deal with it or die.

Though I am a noob and have never ventured into null I can see the point of ridding null of local,

Who in there right mind would advertise there location deep in enemy territory It makes black ops kind of pointless GÇô im cloaked, sneaking though behind enemy lines but I forgot to turn off my system wide transmitter ? eh. A compromise would be a module that removes you from local

Run silent - ?

That ONLY effects the cloaked ship.

Again, remove cloaked ships from local and they can actually do recon and intel instead of just causing everyone to dock up.

No it doesn't, and it actually solves the issue of "afk cloakers" that people keep bitchign about.

Where do you get the idea that afk cloaking is about forcing people into stations? That is neither right, nor fun, it sure isn't a benefit to PvP in null.

If you cloak, you shouldn't show on local, that way you can actually utilize those cynos to hotdrop on people in a system, because they didn't dock up the second you entered and cloaked.


The whole point of cloaking is so that people DON'T KNOW YOUR THERE. Local for cloaked ships limits there capacity to act as recon and intel, because people dock up when they see you there.

I can't sit in a system and spy if you know I'm there, and I can't hotdrop a fleet on a group when they know I'm there.

PS: Sounds a lot more like you don't want cloaked recon to actually be able to do these things to you, because currently you can just dock up and effectively neuter the recon and intel guys.

anyways, reading this little blog:

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3235
Null Sec
PVP: 7,061,988
PVE: 568,353
Total: 7,630,341

Wormhole Space

PVP: 377,786
PVE: 162,126
Total: 539,912


so wormholes have 1/4 of the population of 0.0 but 1/20th of the PvP action
and certain members start threads about other secstatus places being too safe

how embarassing

Your over looking that's the the nature of whs that make it safer. Not the lack of local.

Local isn't the greatest foe in 0.0 causing the lack of targets - the massive blue lists are.

All removing local will do is cause spamming of the directional scanner by everyone, putting more load on the server. Maybe a delayed local based on the sec status of the systems could work (with 1.0 being instant and gradual delays from there).

If the guy is afk how can he even hurt you?-can you seriously answer this question?

If he's afk he can't do anything to you
If he's cloacky just do what it takes to bait it and get it.

That easy.

EDIT: I actually know a little bit more about cloacking and about cloacky reccon than you, and I don't give a crap you know I'm there when I'm not afk (more often than actually baiting idiots).
If you're looking for the ultimate null sec hunter buff, then you clearly don't want anything else than ruining the game for every one, because once this is possible, even lvl1's in high sec will be far more interesting than whatever null sec rating.

You're clearly bad at thinking.

You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.

And no, you don't "know more about cloaking" than anyone else, get over yourself.

No local makes null harder, fact.

Harder means fewer people, fact.
Cloakers are only driving people into stations, fact.
People sitting in stations doesn't generate more pvp, fact.
People in stations reduces the number of targets, fact.

All that is much better than your desire to cause people to dock.

Making people dock is about as ******* boring as you can get.

And no, you don't "know more about cloaking" than anyone else, get over yourself.

Some one please till me how no local makes null HARDER to find targets in?

In a place where alliances hold systems within wide areas of space.

The "intel channel" could help chain the existence of some fleet further or somewhere within the vicinity, or even when it's not. These often promotes fights, since people can just come in to a space owned by alliance X and the alliance X can go and meet those players.

There's also that random roams where we gauge viability of getting fights within a system by quickly skimming through local, yes dscan can do the same, but with only dscan, we can't tell the difference between whether someone is docked (unless we can be bothered to dock aswell) or just aren't there at all. There's also the issue with 14.3 AU range with dscan for huge systems, while it doesn't really matter if we intend to scan down someone, it made a huge difference when we're just trying to grab a quick intel.

Some other stuff that allows identifying known players in local can also promote fights, or other things like local spikes on certain systems or quickly skimming down where the enemy fleet's going or where they are at the moment. This cannot be done without local. Even Dscan won't be a viable tool to deal with this kind of problem.

Some one please till me how no local makes null HARDER to find targets in?

How the hell does not having local increase the number of targets? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

They don't need to remove local, they need to remove cloaked ships from local; that's all.

I would refine that even further and say only ships that can fit a Cov ops cloak become invisible in local. Because covert and local are mutually incompatible. It's a complete waste of training as it is right now

Because the roaming gang relies on local to find things to kill. Do I have to draw a diagram in crayon?

Since the beginning your claims are from someone not even knowing goonswarm/CFC has specific and dedicated "wings" for this single purpose (much like every other alliance), witch makes of you a noob running his mouth because he can or simply a random bee who doesn't even know what's going on on his own alliance.

I can even name those wings for you if you really need me to refresh your ideas or eventually get some interest for what's going on in your own alliance instead of posting stuff you clearly have no idea the repercussions in a huge part of this game.

[quote=Natsett Amuinn]

Ideally I'd like to get rid of local and leave constellation, but that will never happen.

Mr Epeen

Scouts.

You mean the scouts who are looking at local to see whether the system is empty or if there's a target?

I have to laugh at all the null bears complaining about the concept of local going bye bye.

When I lived in wh's, it was standard practice to shut down all wh's but your static, if you planned on ratting/mining/whatever in your home pocket. We then took turns sitting by that static in a cloaked ship, doing sentry duty, due to the very dangerous situations that developed if you did not.

And that wh is hypnotic, especially the Gregorian Chant-like sound that the wh emanates.
Many of our pilots went a little nuts and wanted to offer sacrifices to Bert the wh god.

But we all know how tough the typical null sec PvP'er is. (I apologize to the small gang guys and give grudging respect to PL). They would not last a week living in a wh, where you have to work hard or every ISK you earn, and what looks like empty space is often not.

It is quite a different world doing PvP in a wh pocket, as opposed to dropping on 50 ships with 500 of your closest friends, all in supercaps.

Get better scouts. And if all u want is a gf tell them your coming

Has nothing to do with scouts. If you read and understand what I (or we) was trying to say; scouts is an active role, in a place where contesting territories and promoting fights becomes a lifeline and where living condition both pve and pvp are required to keep people to stay, it's not as simple as "get better scouts". What I stated previously was passive intel that promotes/the reason behind fights.

We use scouts in active fights, many of them, some of them are even well known for their scouting capabilities and probing the right targets, but that's a different case. If those are what you referred to as "scouts", then you don't understand what was the reasoning behind why local is needed in nullsec, at all.

That second part of "tell them your coming" is just silly. If someone comes to a target system just to harass or getting gfs (or some other reason), do you really expect them to contact us, everytime? that's assuming they know who to contact, also assuming that they can be bothered at all. We do that sometimes, provoking people to actually undock and fight, but that's also a different case. What next? we need to ask permission and be as polite as possible when invading someone's space in null?

Remove local in null is like make WH entry static+never deplete, SCs can be cyno'd in, Bo's and reccon fleet able to be cyno's in.
Are you ok with this? - because it's exactly what you're saying, just in case you haven't noticed yet.

I have to laugh at all the null bears complaining about the concept of local going bye bye.

When I lived in wh's, it was standard practice to shut down all wh's but your static.

No the scouts dropping combat probes to see if there are any targets in system.

"It works for wormholes, so it should work for nullsec. Right? RIGHT?"
lol no.

you don't understand. Local is like Pride. its a weakness that can be exploited. Its just understanding how to exploit it but i dont give free advice ;)

I have to laugh at all the null bears complaining about the concept of local going bye bye.

When I lived in wh's, it was standard practice to shut down all wh's but your static, if you planned on ratting/mining/whatever in your home pocket. We then took turns sitting by that static in a cloaked ship, doing sentry duty, due to the very dangerous situations that developed if you did not.

And that wh is hypnotic, especially the Gregorian Chant-like sound that the wh emanates.
Many of our pilots went a little nuts and wanted to offer sacrifices to Bert the wh god.

But we all know how tough the typical null sec PvP'er is. (I apologize to the small gang guys and give grudging respect to PL). They would not last a week living in a wh, where you have to work hard or every ISK you earn, and what looks like empty space is often not.

It is quite a different world doing PvP in a wh pocket, as opposed to dropping on 50 ships with 500 of your closest friends, all in supercaps.

Your scouts drop probes to look for targets when local is already telling them there's nobody in the system?

That's how you eve with no local you dimwit.

Nullsec are not WHs, stop comparing these two. As for nullsec people won't last a week living in wh? you're dead wrong. I played in WHs before and I survived just fine, I won't say I've actually "lived" there for an extended period, but I can imagine what it's like. But that's irrelevant, I have friends who live both in null and WHs (who were nullsec inhabitants in the first place), we have a WH group/corp in the alliance and they seems to be doing fine as well. The point being, WH is not more :elite: than nullsec, neither does nullsec more elite than WHs, both are different and people chose between them because they want to, nothing more.

As for "work hard", you really, absolutely sure that the 'effort' to invade, conquer, manage, organize and defend a space is not "hard work"? as oppose to living down in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible? The difference between nullsec and wormhole people are very substantial. Most people I know who have gone to WHs, goes there because they either want more isk or they love exploring the 'mysterious space' of wormholes and all it's intricacies, while some people I know does go there to pvp, they're very rare when it comes to pvp as their first motivation; in contrast, most people who joined a nullsec corp/alliance, their first objective is almost always, to shoot stuff or be involved in sov warfare (which is also pvp, on a bigger scale); I literally, have never met anyone who joined a nullsec corp because, say, the spacerocks are better here, or want to do trades or do nullsec exploration, there are people who has those motivation ofc, but it's not the majority, unlike wormhole players.

A better compromise would be to add a skill to the game that hides you from all local, in all sec, until you chat in local, then you'd appear on that system's local window.

Why not?

But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument.

We got handed space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?

And now we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and attacking MOAR space so we can live in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?

And in between, we are "working hard" by invading, conquering, managing, organizing and smashing HIGHSEC space so we can STOP them living in a hole for the purpose of grabbing as much isk as possible?

Well it works for the Republican Party.

Look its one of the herd coming to defend local and hide behind its safety of instant Intel.


And more of the sheep people show them selfs.

Multiple reasons. It's impossible to hot drop in wormhole space, and it's impossible to catch ratters who are watching dscan carefully unless you have previously already bookmarked all of the sites in a wormhole. It's also much easier to secure and guard a wormhole space system and any incursions are likely to be much smaller and less organized.


But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument.

fixed it for ya.

All they have said is it makes running there null empires harder and to that all I say is htfu

He even sounds like one too.
"Here they come to predictably explain why I'm wrong. These fools. Never mind that their position actually makes a hell of a lot more sense than mine."

Do any of you know why local even was part of the game to start with?

To provide a social option like an arc chat room. But eve has moved beyond the need.of.a.local chat room with corp channels and private channels.vents and ts. Mumble jabber and skype.

There's no need for it and ever one that's defended it has used the same old dry responses hidden behind a wall of text and boils down to local makes me safe so I want to keep it.

That's the resion it needs to be removed from null. Your not safe in less you can make it safe.
Why do you feel the need for Instant Intel?

Why do 90% of all null sec dwellers run and dock as soon as they see a mute jump In system?

Any argument that has I use local for x, and that reasion ends up being something besides.talking to.friends Is a unintended use of local.

So make all you arguments you want local.was ment for chating NOT as a intel tool.

Why do 90% of all null sec dwellers run and dock as soon as they see a mute jump In system?

Explain.

How the hell does not having local increase the number of targets? One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

They don't need to remove local, they need to remove cloaked ships from local; that's all.

You want you local keep it give me a way leave it and.never show up on your local and I'm fine with it.

But u don't want that u want to see me as soon as I jump in system so u can speed off to your safe spot and dock up.

You want you local keep it give me a way leave it and.never show up on your local and I'm fine with it.

But u don't want that u want to see me as soon as I jump in system so u can speed off to your safe spot and dock up.

I would refine that even further and say only ships that can fit a Cov ops cloak become invisible in local. Because covert and local are mutually incompatible. It's a complete waste of training as it is right now.

So your afraid of surprise station attacks? Or what you don't like the idea of not knowing 100% there's no hostiles in system.

how u can't tell if I'm bad guy or not.

Preserve the lore

Remove cloaked ships from local.

yeah i'd love to just park a cloaked hictor on a beacon and be absolutely undetectable when somebody shows up to scout it, waiting for something to come through so I can decloak, light my cyno and drop my nyx on it

Don't fly with out back up.

Don't fly with out back up.

i'm sorry if i disagree with your idea that everyone in nullsec should be required to fly around with a fleet on standby waiting on a titan

Like u don't all ready.

How about let's remove the little +, =, and - from showing up in local chat how u can't tell if I'm bad guy or not.

Like u don't all ready.

Don't fly with out back up.

"nullseccers have a 23/7 standing fleet waiting on a titan for somebody to light a cyno" - pubbies, 2012

lolz, you nullsec chaps are fooookin pathetic, defending your carebear ways., all of null is vertually a carebear land now too,

"my 4 days of training doesn't make me 100% invulnerable abloo bloo bloo blooooooo"

Start an new acct and eveboard it after four days. If you can hop in a cov ops ship I will plex you for a year. If you can't, then you have to stop being a drama queen for a year.

Mr Epeen

Never been to 0.0.

lolz, you nullsec chaps are fooookin pathetic, defending your carebear ways., all of null is vertually a carebear land now too,

remove local. Tired of alliances with eyes in every system and them docking up as soon as we approach

No the scouts dropping combat probes to see if there are any targets in system.

remove local. Tired of alliances with eyes in every system and them docking up as soon as we approach

remove local. Tired of alliances with eyes in every system and them docking up as soon as we approach

This will quickly be solved as people simply stop living in nullsec.

So every alliance in the game docks up when you come around? Or only in the area you live?

Here's a thought, if people wont fight your in your area hows about you take the fight to somewhere you can get the fights instead of complaining about it?

Removing local would be the worst idea ever and would further isolate null sec from the rest of Eve.

No they dock till 1 of 2 things Happen they out number you 8 to1 or you get bored of camping and leave.

We can't remove local from nullsec! if we did the first warning the coalitions would have that there is an assault force incursing on their borders would be the evemail notifications detailing POSes going into reinforce/exploding. no more seeing local fill with hostiles first.

it would be completely against the spirit of eve I'm sure.


Excuse me whilst I run back under my bridge now. its starting to rain.

Removing Local doesn't create more targets, it jsut changes how you kill the current targets. More targets would be more people going to null, now do you have a decent argument for why sans local in null = more people coming to null?

It would create fewer targets, and make them harder to find.

So you are implying that you should not be able to defend yourself properly until your stuff is being attacked and or exploded?

People who want to remove local are just people who want to force EVE to become a more tedious game via forced gate camping and scanning, tbh. Most of us play for fun, not to watch gates and spam buttons.

It works for WHs because numbers are low there. Force nullsec into the "no local" paradigm and you'll burn out a lot of people very quickly. Delayed local, fine. Cloaked people now showing up, also fine. But complete removal of local in space where thousands live and fleets of hundreds roam is just making EVE into a game with more forced activities most people don't enjoy.

This^

Take away local and you basically create a null sec where only alliances with big numbers can survive because of the logistical problems that it would create. There would be no more small gang roams because everyone would think there is a bizzillion mean people in null sec waiting somewhere in the system to kill them and would never be able to commit the numbers to "watching gates" or spaming 360* Dscan.

The point i am trying to make is that we shouldnt want to make it more difficult for newer players to experience null sec and taking the one tool that smaller corps and gangs use as a defense would hinder that.

Start an new acct and eveboard it after four days. If you can hop in a cov ops ship I will plex you for a year. If you can't, then you have to stop being a drama queen for a year.

Mr Epeen

Remove everything! No Chat! No UI! No Graphics!

It will be PURE spreadsheets! The number apocalypse!

Why do 90% of all wormhole dwellers run and dock as soon as they d-scan one of my probes?
The choice is clear - introduce wormhole stabilizers and remove free cynojamming so that wormhole players can enjoy some gfs.

not mentioned: when the guy ratting hits d-scan and sees your probe, immediately possing up

maybe this guy is a scrub and doesn't know about the onboard scanner

so finding targets becomes a thing where you use d-scan and start hurling yourself at anomalies which match up with the d-scan range (you're adjusting the d-scan distance filter every two seconds so you can match up anom/distance in KMs for d-scan, convert it to AUs, and then line it up with the anomalies on your scanner windows), then all you gotta do warp to it and tackle away

so imagine a fun nullsec roam where you gotta do that in every system you go into to find targets

There are no stations in wormholes. Yes, we all know that nullseccers invariably fail every time they enter wormholes, but it's just because you are terrible in EVE and unfortunately CCP can't fix stupid.

Nullsec needs local for their ratting bots to function, simple as that.

these are the sort of crying fits and rage posts we get to hear when talk of the mass limit and cynojam safety nets are discussed of being removed. Thanks for helping Roime.

Nullsec needs local for their ratting bots to function, simple as that.

yeah because bots aren't able to do things like spamming dscan and warping off when something hostile shows up on grid

they also can't react far quicker than a human ever can

goddamn you should read your own posts sometime

Look its one of the herd coming to defend local and hide behind its safety of instant Intel.


And more of the sheep people show them selfs.

People who want to remove local are just people who want to force EVE to become a more tedious game via forced gate camping and scanning, tbh. Most of us play for fun, not to watch gates and spam buttons.

It works for WHs because numbers are low there. Force nullsec into the "no local" paradigm and you'll burn out a lot of people very quickly. Delayed local, fine. Cloaked people not showing up, also fine. But complete removal of local in space where thousands live and fleets of hundreds roam is just making EVE into a game with more forced activities most people don't enjoy.

Why do 90% of all wormhole dwellers run and dock as soon as they d-scan one of my probes?
The choice is clear - introduce wormhole stabilizers and remove free cynojamming so that wormhole players can enjoy some gfs.

CCP should remove local just for the sake of shaking things up.

0.0 stagnation is slowly killing the game.

CCP should remove local just for the sake of shaking things up.

0.0 stagnation is slowly killing the game.

Yeah, let's just remove local so there's nobody there to shoot at all.

CCP should remove local just for the sake of shaking things up.

0.0 stagnation is slowly killing the game.

You know I just read the last 2 pages and I seen something funny.

I seen some nullsecbears crying about being bad at small gang fighting and wanting a way to get the blob inside whs.

Its nice to see you owning up to needing your blobs to get any thing done.

You know I just read the last 2 pages and I seen something funny.

I seen some nullsecbears crying about being bad at small gang fighting and wanting a way to get the blob inside whs.

Its nice to see you owning up to needing your blobs to get any thing done.

Dragoons.

CCP should remove local just for the sake of shaking things up.

0.0 stagnation is slowly killing the game.

0.0 stagnation is not solved by allowing hundred man covops fleets to roam around completely undetected and unhindered killing everyone in their path.In fact there are many other far more viable ideas on how to solve the 0.0 stagnation.

Anything from covert POSes that can be placed anywhere in a system and be used to allow smaller corps to move more freely and live & disrupt life in hostile space to removing some of the 0.0 chokepoints so that PVEers and PVPers willing to risk going in to hostile space can do so with less hinderance. Other people suggest a bubble nerf.

Not having local in Wormholes only works because there's a limit to how many people can enter through that WH before it collapses. And because the most profitable way to do PVE in WHs is to first scan down all the sites, then close all exits and do them quickly as a group.

In fact, if you wanna revitalize 0.0 look in to adding more mission agents for all of the different factions out there. And better ways for smaller corps to station themselves and maintain life.

The solution to 0.0 stagnation isn't to make it more risky it's to make it more comfortable and easier to live in. If you could easily set up the logistics needed for a 0.0 operation with say a covert POS worth 1b and a covert minijump-industrial (50k m3 can jump a max jump distance similar to current blops) worth another 1b or so. Then suddenly you can move past the 24\7 entry system gatecamps with ease, set up shop in one of the less populated systems in one of the larger alliances turf, rat to make money, jump your loot and supplies in and out and form a life for yourself.

Yes this will make it way easier to avoid PVP, but PVP will still be necessary in order to remove that solo PVPers that constantly camps out in your system or a small gang that wants to rat where you decided you wanted to live.

This way, blobs are easily avoidable (100 man gang jumps in to your system, you just warp away, 10 man gang jumps in you kick their asses), small gangs are profitable (ratting + PVP + safety), nullsec gets populated and chokepoints loose some of their value.

Removing local is just the usual excuse used by retards that don't live in it for real.

-From someone who currently solos lowsec and nullsec and makes shitloads from doing so.

yeah i'd love to just park a cloaked hictor on a beacon and be absolutely undetectable when somebody shows up to scout it, waiting for something to come through so I can decloak, light my cyno and drop my nyx on it

I lived in null for years now on several toons I know how it works And its work the same way for that hole time nute enters system pos station or log out till he leaves Or you out number them 7 to1.

That's how nullsec has worked for as long as I have played.

I lived in null for years now on several toons I know how it works And its work the same way for that hole time nute enters system pos station or log out till he leaves Or you out number them 7 to1.

That's how nullsec has worked for as long as I have played.

I lived in null for years now on several toons I know how it works And its work the same way for that hole time nute enters system pos station or log out till he leaves Or you out number them 7 to1.

That's how nullsec has worked for as long as I have played.

Bahahaha. I'm sure you have plenty of nullsec experience. Your combat record definitely shows this.

Bahahaha. I'm sure you have plenty of nullsec experience. Your combat record definitely shows this.

Because we all jerk it to KB stats like u right.

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that. The point is that it seems I have enough fingers and toes to physically count how many skirmishes you've been in.

Because no one Posts on alts because if you disagree with your overlord you get removed from your alliances.

Because no one Posts on alts because if you disagree with your overlord you get removed from your alliances.

Because no one Posts on alts because if you disagree with your overlord you get removed from your alliances.

Because no one Posts on alts because if you disagree with your overlord you get removed from your alliances.

A chat capable of serving as a super intel tool is simply wrong.

Make it so you can pay concord to be exempt from local for a certain amount of time. that should spice things up.

Removing local destroys the game lore.

Didn't Tony Gonzalez write two EVE novels that had cloaked ships not showing in local?

Make the game match the lore CCP.

Remove cloaked ships from local.

Because the roaming gang relies on local to find things to kill. Do I have to draw a diagram in crayon?

Here's an idea that might work - take note CCP!!

Implement a system dependent device that dictates if "Local" accurately represents who is actually in system

EG:

Wormhole Space - keep as it is - no local

High Sec - Concord / Local Law Enforcement check all gates, you always know who's entered / left system

Low Sec - Like High Sec, but sometimes a bit more sketchy - IE you only know who is in local when you enter / leave system /warp to a gate as there's a hub / customs office at each gate, and you can update Local by warping / interacting with this. (this would also perhaps increase low sec pvp / player interaction).

Null sec - Like Low sec but the custom's hub is orbiting the star or something away from the gates. Home systems / station systems can anchor a "Local Analyzer" structure but this only works in systems that are alliance HQs or have 5+ people active etc...

there! did i just solve the local problem?

plagiarism, i solved it before you. Heretic.

I know I'm new to the game but I posted on this in a thread in the Noob Forum. After reading through some of this, I just wanted to show how I look at it and duplicate my opinion from the other thread, as it was locked due to the discussions here.

I don't even use local. I have the tab minimized and pinned just above my Overview. That is only to see how many are in a system when I enter.

The information that others gather from that means absolutely nothing to me. It takes up too much real estate and furthermore the jabber on that thing is just that...jabber.

I play the same way upon entering a system. I play the same way moving through a system. No matter if it's 1.0 or 0.0 ( not that I have even been to lo-sec yet but that's beside the point), I assume every gate is camped with 20 bubbles and every number in that local is the worst enemy in the game.

Given that...Any information that could be gained from that thing is nullified. Unless you are actually looking for someone in particular and even then you should have scanned them for their current ID. Otherwise, you are not a very good Assassin to start with.

Assume the worst and prepare against the best.
Minimize the tab and f the rest.

Well it works for the Republican Party.

You know I just read the last 2 pages and I seen something funny.

I seen some nullsecbears crying about being bad at small gang fighting and wanting a way to get the blob inside whs.

Its nice to see you owning up to needing your blobs to get any thing done.

....besides local is not used very often your alliance channels have all the intelligence and that is where to chat not local.

I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?

Man I seen a guy get kicked out of AAA for losing 3 6B tengus In less than 2 days. Because he was ******* up there KB. Funny thing was he still had the isks to keep doing it.

From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?

Are you asking me to draw a conclusion based on your experience? Because I can't.

(Yes I know what you meant, and it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying).

Bahahaha. I'm sure you have plenty of nullsec experience. Your combat record definitely shows this.

I am in support of the topic.

You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.

Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.

And now to the main point.

How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.


And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.

You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan.
If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.

Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.


Just head of any more LOOK AT HOW SAFE WHs ARE its not the lack of.locals.the the whs that you use to get around.






Let me play out a eve with out local.

You jump into system no one knows your there.

You drop probes and start scanning.

You see a ratting carrier and a few other ships on scan.

They havent ran becouse theres no local to let them know u jumped in system.

I am in support of the topic.

Saw similar in FA. KB stats was God

~terrible pubbie post~

Local is just as useful for the hunters as it is the hunted. Local is not a problem there's no targets because people can't live their. The areas are used as PVP arenas while everyone makes their money in highsec. People have been forced from their homes and into highsec. All you've done in your post is shown that you have no idea what the problems are and are incredibly naive.

So lets go over the problems:

1. Risk : reward has been trashed to cosset highsec (Mining barge EHP buff, aside from Skiff),

2. Sov is broken/terrible,

3. UI is getting better but could still use more work (less spreadsheets more spaceships).

Fix those and you solve the majority of the problems the game has.

I am still trying to figure out how removing local increases the targets? Anyone? Please?