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Jonnie Concrete
Concrete and Sons Inter-Imperial Enterprises Ltd
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:09:00 -
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Verlyn wrote:Jonnie Concrete wrote:Here's an idea that might work - take note CCP!!
Implement a system dependent device that dictates if "Local" accurately represents who is actually in system
EG:
Wormhole Space - keep as it is - no local
High Sec - Concord / Local Law Enforcement check all gates, you always know who's entered / left system
Low Sec - Like High Sec, but sometimes a bit more sketchy - IE you only know who is in local when you enter / leave system /warp to a gate as there's a hub / customs office at each gate, and you can update Local by warping / interacting with this. (this would also perhaps increase low sec pvp / player interaction).
Null sec - Like Low sec but the custom's hub is orbiting the star or something away from the gates. Home systems / station systems can anchor a "Local Analyzer" structure but this only works in systems that are alliance HQs or have 5+ people active etc...
there! did i just solve the local problem? plagiarism, i solved it before you. Heretic.
ahh! i honestly just thought of this off the top of my head.
we're obviously both geniuses / correct! |

Jesuis Cache-Cache
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:52:00 -
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I know I'm new to the game but I posted on this in a thread in the Noob Forum. After reading through some of this, I just wanted to show how I look at it and duplicate my opinion from the other thread, as it was locked due to the discussions here.
I don't even use local. I have the tab minimized and pinned just above my Overview. That is only to see how many are in a system when I enter.
The information that others gather from that means absolutely nothing to me. It takes up too much real estate and furthermore the jabber on that thing is just that...jabber.
I play the same way upon entering a system. I play the same way moving through a system. No matter if it's 1.0 or 0.0 ( not that I have even been to lo-sec yet but that's beside the point), I assume every gate is camped with 20 bubbles and every number in that local is the worst enemy in the game.
Given that...Any information that could be gained from that thing is nullified. Unless you are actually looking for someone in particular and even then you should have scanned them for their current ID. Otherwise, you are not a very good Assassin to start with.
Assume the worst and prepare against the best. Minimize the tab and f the rest. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
937
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:36:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:I know I'm new to the game but I posted on this in a thread in the Noob Forum. After reading through some of this, I just wanted to show how I look at it and duplicate my opinion from the other thread, as it was locked due to the discussions here.
I don't even use local. I have the tab minimized and pinned just above my Overview. That is only to see how many are in a system when I enter.
The information that others gather from that means absolutely nothing to me. It takes up too much real estate and furthermore the jabber on that thing is just that...jabber.
I play the same way upon entering a system. I play the same way moving through a system. No matter if it's 1.0 or 0.0 ( not that I have even been to lo-sec yet but that's beside the point), I assume every gate is camped with 20 bubbles and every number in that local is the worst enemy in the game.
Given that...Any information that could be gained from that thing is nullified. Unless you are actually looking for someone in particular and even then you should have scanned them for their current ID. Otherwise, you are not a very good Assassin to start with.
Assume the worst and prepare against the best. Minimize the tab and f the rest.
OK Why did you take my wings away? |

Tallous Doon
n3wbcorp Caldari Industrialist Association
1
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:42:00 -
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How about have Local exactly what it is, Local only.
No matter where your at in Eve such as 0.0, low or Hi-Sec areas. By this I mean so only you can chat while docked in a station and the same goes for seeing those in local. If they aint docked up then you aint seeing them or vise versa. You would then be able to only seen and talk to those docked up at said station. Region chat would still be availible because of the space of regions take up it wouldnt really let someone pin point who or how many are in a certain system.
Example:
When running out around in space picking on poor new players and racking up a minus sec status. Corp member and people on your watch list would be the only ones being able to communicate. Or anyone/player whos exact spelling you had memorized.
As far as knowning who was around the area with you, well it would be a guess of who you seen in station areas or jumping thru gates close by. |

Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
56
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Posted - 2012.10.21 23:53:00 -
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Shobon Welp wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:But why do I bother telling you all this? It's not like OP would ever possibly change their mind. They seem to think that reciting key rhetoric over and over again somehow presents a tangible argument. Well it works for the Republican Party.
And the other one too. Get it straight, or be a sheep, whatever.
Take arrows in the forehead, never the back |

Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
56
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Posted - 2012.10.22 00:03:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:You know I just read the last 2 pages and I seen something funny.
I seen some nullsecbears crying about being bad at small gang fighting and wanting a way to get the blob inside whs.
Its nice to see you owning up to needing your blobs to get any thing done.
Why don't you afk in a non cloak ship?. You must be a coward, since you won't afk in a Hurricane. Wow, such a coward you are. I swear, cowardice must run in your DNA, since you won't afk without a cloak. Coward of cowards you are. Take arrows in the forehead, never the back |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
441
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Posted - 2012.10.22 01:59:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:....besides local is not used very often your alliance channels have all the intelligence and that is where to chat not local.
If he's there and you don't know that he is, you're kinda screwed. If he's not there and you don't know that he's not, you're kinda screwed.
meh, same outcome. May as well remove nullsec. Won't need it. 
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
442
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Posted - 2012.10.22 02:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.
From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
332
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:15:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.
From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had?
Man I seen a guy get kicked out of AAA for losing 3 6B tengus In less than 2 days. Because he was ******* up there KB. Funny thing was he still had the isks to keep doing it. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
442
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:20:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.
From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had? Man I seen a guy get kicked out of AAA for losing 3 6B tengus In less than 2 days. Because he was ******* up there KB. Funny thing was he still had the isks to keep doing it. Saw similar in FA. KB stats was God.
I got raked for losing a Loki trying to take on 6 dudes. I did it for the fun. Apparently only allowed to do it if I am sure I will win.
Sorta takes the edge off bothering you know. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:20:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.
From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had? Are you asking me to draw a conclusion based on your experience? Because I can't.
(Yes I know what you meant, and it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying). http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
442
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Posted - 2012.10.22 03:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Touval Lysander wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't care about stats. If you had been killed 400 times in nullsec and killed 10 ships in the process, I'd be fine with that.
From my experience, which alliance would not care if he had? Are you asking me to draw a conclusion based on your experience? Because I can't. (Yes I know what you meant, and it didn't have anything to do with what I was saying). Yes. I knew what you meant and I know it didn't have anything to do with what you were saying.
Forgive me sir, I was trying to find a slot to defend the forum user who get's slammed based on kb stats by people who feel that they have something to prove by posting/pointing at said users kb stats when we know he's probably on an alt anyway.
And ofc, the ones poasting **** about kb stats make sure we know about theirs because they post on thier MAINS say what.
Petty. Childish. Quaint. I could go on.
Apologies Mr... errr... Kesh. 
Oh... wait....
Err sorry Mr. Kesh. Apology retracted. You did indeed say THIS (I thought it was SOMEONE ELSE).
James Amril-Kesh wrote: Bahahaha. I'm sure you have plenty of nullsec experience. Your combat record definitely shows this.
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:04:00 -
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Again, where did I say anything about killboard stats? I think you've mistaken me for someone who's obsessed with K/D ratios and ISK efficiency. My point is that combat record shows he's only recently started to venture into nullsec, and only occasionally. Not indicative of someone who might actually understand the issue at hand and have a reasonable motivation for wanting local chat removed.
Posting with an alt doesn't gain you any credibility either. Anybody can say they're alts of people in nullsec alliances, but the information I have on this character is all I have to go on.
But you're right. Why attack his character. That is rather ad hominem of me. The strength of his argument should be enough on its own. Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
112
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:06:00 -
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I am in support of the topic. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:08:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:I am in support of the topic. And why might that be? http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:16:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.
Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.
And now to the main point.
How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.
And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.
You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan. If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.
Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.
Just head of any more LOOK AT HOW SAFE WHs ARE its not the lack of.locals.the the whs that you use to get around.
Let me play out a eve with out local.
You jump into system no one knows your there.
You drop probes and start scanning.
You see a ratting carrier and a few other ships on scan.
They havent ran becouse theres no local to let them know u jumped in system.
Please get a clue before posting.
And remove empty lines.
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Alice Saki
13075
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:17:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:I am in support of the topic.
Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
336
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Posted - 2012.10.22 19:20:00 -
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So any way back to
Local the sucks and.you all suck for needing it to help you play eve.
Continue. The ranting. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
859
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:22:00 -
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Touval Lysander wrote:Saw similar in FA. KB stats was God
Fly with cheapo stuff until you find a better corp/alliance. If being there means you can't have fun, even loosing ships, then there's no reason to be there, you're better with all your stuff in some NPC null station. Didn't thought Zad would get mad at that point for such a ridiculous stuff, I mean, It's not like if you loose a SC because you were rating in belts with.
*cough* brb |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
227
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Posted - 2012.10.22 20:39:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:~terrible pubbie post~
Local is just as useful for the hunters as it is the hunted. Local is not a problem there's no targets because people can't live their. The areas are used as PVP arenas while everyone makes their money in highsec. People have been forced from their homes and into highsec. All you've done in your post is shown that you have no idea what the problems are and are incredibly naive.
So lets go over the problems:
1. Risk : reward has been trashed to cosset highsec (Mining barge EHP buff, aside from Skiff),
2. Sov is broken/terrible,
3. UI is getting better but could still use more work (less spreadsheets more spaceships).
Fix those and you solve the majority of the problems the game has.
Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
339
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:15:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:~terrible pubbie post~ Local is just as useful for the hunters as it is the hunted. Local is not a problem there's no targets because people can't live their. The areas are used as PVP arenas while everyone makes their money in highsec. People have been forced from their homes and into highsec. All you've done in your post is shown that you have no idea what the problems are and are incredibly naive. So lets go over the problems: 1. Risk : reward has been trashed to cosset highsec (Mining barge EHP buff, aside from Skiff), 2. Sov is broken/terrible, 3. UI is getting better but could still use more work (less spreadsheets more spaceships). Fix those and you solve the majority of the problems the game has.
Look kids this is what's called a.trollolol. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Robert De'Arneth
158
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:19:00 -
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I am still trying to figure out how removing local increases the targets? Anyone? Please? You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1030
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:27:00 -
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Robert De'Arneth wrote:I am still trying to figure out how removing local increases the targets? Anyone? Please? By the power of wishful thinking. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction
309
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:01:00 -
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Local should be a sov upgrade. |

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
682
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Posted - 2012.10.23 16:48:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:You cry for more targets but then will not remove your greatest foe LOCAL chat.
Some want it removed. It most like it for its ease of Intel gathering.
And now to the main point.
How can u be such a Carebear and need ccp to keep local so you feel safe. Knowing you have your instant intel ever time you jump in system.
And dont even say if there was only a better way to get intel.
You have probes, combat probes, deep space probes, and D-Scan. If you dont know how they work ask Your wh dwelling friends about there combat scanning.
Local is the tool of the weak minded sheep of null sec. You should be ashamed of your self.
Just head of any more LOOK AT HOW SAFE WHs ARE its not the lack of.locals.the the whs that you use to get around.
Let me play out a eve with out local.
You jump into system no one knows your there.
You drop probes and start scanning.
You see a ratting carrier and a few other ships on scan.
They havent ran becouse theres no local to let them know u jumped in system.
I find your post.... poorly thought out....
Have you ever taken a 15-40 man gang out looking for a fight?? I'm not talking about a gank, I'm talking about a fight.... You need to be able to find systems with an appropriate number of pilots in order to actually get that fight! Local helps get a fight then...
Have you ever tried to rat for isk in nullsec? It's not some huge major isk source to "most" nullsec residents. So, if you take away the primary source of defense for ratters, how long do you think they will continue to rat, when a stealthbomber can decloak and tackle them before they can even hit the warp button... (not to mention the rest of their gang that could be cloaked on grid with you).
In short, I'm all about changing local... but it needs to be replaced with a viable intel tool.... not combat scanner probes and carpel tunnel syndrome *dscan*. Additionally, the rewards of nullsec need to also be balanced with the risks of operating there.... otherwise FW plexes, LvL 4 Missions, and highsec incursions will really be the only place to make money, and nullsec will still be dead...
Finally, WH space is very different than nullspace... . The gates (WH's) into Wspace can be closed moreless at will.... allowing corps to make their space safe before operating in it. Additionally, thanks to sleeper's ai... sleeper farmers are far more capable at fending off incoming PvP threats...
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
339
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Posted - 2012.10.23 23:32:00 -
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U know every time someone says I use local for X, and its not chatting you provided Local is being used in the wrong way. Local was never mint to be a intel tool, your head dev has said as much in a video dev blog a while back. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
915
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Posted - 2012.10.23 23:34:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:U know every time someone says I use local for X, and its not chatting you provided Local is being used in the wrong way. Local was never mint to be a intel tool, your head dev has said as much in a video dev blog a while back.
There is a lot of features that have uses that weren't intended by CCP. What's your point?
Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1607
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Posted - 2012.10.24 00:37:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:U know every time someone says I use local for X, and its not chatting you provided Local is being used in the wrong way. Local was never mint to be a intel tool, your head dev has said as much in a video dev blog a while back. There is a lot of features that have uses that weren't intended by CCP. What's your point? Exploiting bugs ~~
Nerf local ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1839
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Posted - 2012.10.24 02:42:00 -
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Remove local and let ships warp system to system without gates and this game becomes everything the leet PVPers already act like it is.
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Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
340
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Posted - 2012.10.24 03:12:00 -
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We can remove local and u can have your Sov upgrade local, BUT it has to require industry 5 to work.
Best keep a fleet of miners out there keeping it up. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |
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