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Lord Zim
1850
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Posted - 2012.10.24 21:56:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:if ccp fixes local Implying local needs fixing. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
344
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:06:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:if ccp fixes local Implying local needs fixing. So what your saying is its fine that people know the instant u jump in system if your hostile or not and instantly dock up.
There no risk to that at all. There's not even enough time to set up any forum of trap for them.
But u haven said u spend most of your time in highsec grinding isk I would assume u agree that High secs risk vs rewards is broken at least? A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Lord Zim
1850
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:20:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:if ccp fixes local Implying local needs fixing. So what your saying is its fine that people know the instant u jump in system if your hostile or not and instantly dock up. The problem isn't local, the problem is the complete and utter lack of nullsec population.
Mirima Thurander wrote:But u haven said u spend most of your time in highsec grinding isk I would assume u agree that High secs risk vs rewards is broken at least? I have said, multiple times, that I spend most of my eve-time in hisec making isk. As for risk/reward in hisec being broken, well duh. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2029
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:23:00 -
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hm, Solar Citizens seems to eat approx 400 bil a month in ratting losses every month
but i though local made 0.0 residents invulnerable |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
345
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:26:00 -
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Most renters are dumb or bots. Far more of them would die a horrible death if local was not there to tell them when bad people showed up.
And to that edit I can even tell how that happened. Clearly stupid. What ever it was lol. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2030
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:28:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote: Most renters are dumb or bots. Far more of them would die a horrible death if local was not there to tell them when bad people showed up.
probably far less of them would die, if wormhole's 1/5th the ship loss rate of nullsec is any indication |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
345
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:30:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote: Most renters are dumb or bots. Far more of them would die a horrible death if local was not there to tell them when bad people showed up.
probably far less of them would die, if wormhole's 1/5th the ship loss rate of nullsec is any indication The safety of whs comes from the way they work not the lack of local. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1697
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Posted - 2012.10.24 22:57:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote: Most renters are dumb or bots. Far more of them would die a horrible death if local was not there to tell them when bad people showed up.
probably far less of them would die, if wormhole's 1/5th the ship loss rate of nullsec is any indication The safety of whs comes from the way they work not the lack of local. Just think how safe WHs would be if they had local.
Wormholes do have local, it's just delayed until someone is daft enough to use it. There is a lore reason behind it to, [rp] There are beacons in known space that are legacy items from when the gate network was built, these interrogate ship transponders to show pilots who are in local, in wh space there are no beacons because they are unknown space and nobody has built any because capsuleers don't have the technology to do so, when capsuleers can build their own gates they will have the tech to build the beacons [/rp]
It's a whole lot easier to control traffic in and out of whs via the mechanic of closing any incoming k162s and only warping to and thus spawning your static exits if you need to (this was the case when I was doing whs, some people will say my understanding of the mechanic is wrong but I can only go on my own experience), therefore the lack of instant local is a minor drawback. In hi/lo/nullsec you don't have the luxury of being able to close exits in this way, hence bluelists, gatecamps, local being used for intel and corp/alliance intel channels.
TL;DR whs have delayed local, and it would be a dumb as a box of rocks dev who removed it completely from any area of space.
Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
346
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote: Most renters are dumb or bots. Far more of them would die a horrible death if local was not there to tell them when bad people showed up.
probably far less of them would die, if wormhole's 1/5th the ship loss rate of nullsec is any indication The safety of whs comes from the way they work not the lack of local. Just think how safe WHs would be if they had local. Wormholes do have local, it's just delayed until someone is daft enough to use it. There is a lore reason behind it to, [rp] There are beacons in known space that are legacy items from when the gate network was built, these interrogate ship transponders to show pilots who are in local, in wh space there are no beacons because they are unknown space and nobody has built any because capsuleers don't have the technology to do so, when capsuleers can build their own gates they will have the tech to build the beacons [/rp] It's a whole lot easier to control traffic in and out of whs via the mechanic of closing any incoming k162s and only warping to and thus spawning your static exits if you need to (this was the case when I was doing whs, some people will say my understanding of the mechanic is wrong but I can only go on my own experience), therefore the lack of instant local is a minor drawback. In hi/lo/nullsec you don't have the luxury of being able to close exits in this way, hence bluelists, gatecamps, local being used for intel and corp/alliance intel channels. TL;DR whs have delayed local, and it would be a dumb as a box of rocks dev who removed it completely from any area of space. I said every time use WH stile local.
I still don't see how that one guy can hate this idea so much.
Null gets WH stile local but to make up for the complet lack of intel.
We can add a counter of sorts that shows the number of people in the system.
Given that system hunters can still find prey. Pray can still run and hide if there smart.
The counter give alliances a warning if it suddenly jumps up by 200 you know somethings going on and u need to check it out.
It gives ever one a vague idea.of what's going on but then they have to take the time.to be 100% sure what really going on.
I have faith people will find a way to Live in eve with out instant local .I have seen them adapt to far crazyer changes. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1611
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:30:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:if ccp fixes local Implying local needs fixing. So what your saying is its fine that people know the instant u jump in system if your hostile or not and instantly dock up. The problem isn't local, the problem is the complete and utter lack of nullsec population. Mirima Thurander wrote:But u haven said u spend most of your time in highsec grinding isk I would assume u agree that High secs risk vs rewards is broken at least? I have said, multiple times, that I spend most of my eve-time in hisec making isk. As for risk/reward in hisec being broken, well duh. I, too, have considered mining in highsec.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Lord Zim
1850
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:30:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:I said every time use WH stile local. And we've told you multiple times that WH style local only works because it's in WHs.
Mirima Thurander wrote:I still don't see how that one guy can hate this idea so much. Because it's a bad idea.
Mirima Thurander wrote:Null gets WH stile local but to make up for the complet lack of intel. We don't care.
Mirima Thurander wrote:We can add a counter of sorts that shows the number of people in the system. This assists the inhabitants absolutely nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. It's still a bad idea.
Mirima Thurander wrote:I have faith people will find a way to Live in eve with out instant local .I have seen them adapt to far crazyer changes. Yes, they'll move to hisec, or they'll move to WHs where the rewards corresponds to the risk/effort/reward. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
346
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Posted - 2012.10.24 23:47:00 -
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U go away u proven your no more than a weekend warrior. Your points no longer matter. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
1698
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:07:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote: I said every time use WH stile local.
You also mentioned removing local, that was the point I was addressing, removing local and delayed local are 2 completely different things.
Delayed local in is only feasible in WH space because of the way that the mechanics are set up, it would not work in any other kind of space, period.
If you can come up with a feasible and workable local replacement then I'm sure people will debate it on it's merits, instead you just call for the removal (or delay) of local without offering a decent replacement, I'm sure the CCP devs have been looking at local for a lot longer than you have and they haven't come up with a workable replacement yet.
Hell I'm only a hisec/wh spelunking pubbie who knows nothing of null, and I can see where the majority of it's inhabitants are coming from. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1611
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:23:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:I have faith people will find a way to Live in eve with out instant local .I have seen them adapt to far crazyer changes. Yes, they'll move to hisec, or they'll move to WHs where the rewards corresponds to the risk/effort/reward. Haha. We can gank while the afk mining ships graze peacefully. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
61
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Posted - 2012.10.25 09:02:00 -
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Removed local in a wh works because a wh has a total different risk than null-sec because it needs some effort to find a wh and it's random. You have to expect the unexpected. There's some risk and thrill but it's balanced.
When you remove local in null-sec the major reason to live there is ruined: making ISK. People don't take over null-sec to have a nice PvP region. I lived in many areas and I never felt that this is PvP heaven. When you want to have intense PvP then go to low-sec or better: join FW. Once null-sec is secured by numbers most PvPer switch to carebearing and you face some random gangs looking for carebears mostly while on the front lines clusters are crashing.
Removing local will give serious issues. It's nearly impossible to rat or plex because you never know if you warp into a blob of bombers or recons. Getting intel will be a huge time-consuming task. You need to place alts at gates to get a good chance to see what's running in or out. It like running blindly around while a gang of 50 Ninjas sneaking 10m around just playing with you like a cat with a mouse in the pitch black darkness. It makes no sense. Probably for 24/7 nerds.
Result: just cloaky fleets will dominate and beeing overpowered and people are forced to move out. Finally we end up in silent empty regions where cloaky fleets wait for cloaky fleets and noone has a clue what's going on or if ever something will happen and when. Last but not least: no targets around. Very simple. And the irony is: you will not find out if there are targets around because everyone is cloaked. And even a method to probe out cloakers will not fix it. |

Delen Ormand
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
100
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:13:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:Preserve the lore
Remove cloaked ships from local.
I've only skimmed through the thread, but the main reason against this seemed to be that it stopped people from using the intimidation tactic of parking a cloaked ship somewhere to discourage people from going about their business.
Thing is, removing cloakies from local wouldn't prevent this at all, you just have to work a little harder to achieve the same effect. If you want to 'fear up' the locals, drop out of cloak and shoot some of them. Then cloak up again. If people start coming out again after a while, do the same. The only real difference is, intel that there's a cloaked ship around will be spread by word of mouth, not by local count. |

Terrorfrodo
Deep Space Darwinian Law Enforcement Agency
217
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:35:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:We change local to work like WHs, and add a readout of the number of players in system to the ui, Now you can still tell if theres a large fleet in your space, u can still tell if theres targets in system, and small gangs and solo pilots still have the chance to slip between the cracks. Hey, that's actually not a bad idea.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5319
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:38:00 -
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how about we replace local with a list of logged on characters in the system with their standings icons that refreshes every time a player leaves or enters the system? This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
fofofofofo |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
378
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:10:00 -
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The only justifiable solution to the "local problem" is for CCP to create a module that you can install on your ship that removes you from the local list. If you communicate in local with the mod installed, you appear in local for a brief period of time. They could make it a rig or something. It should be passive, and illegal to smuggle into, or have installed in high sec.
Seperate station and space local. If you're in a station, anywhere in EVE, you are put into a local chat that only has the people in the station. In space you only see the people in space.
Cloaked ships should never be in local. The guy that writes the lore wrote about ships sitting in systems cloaked, and no one ever knowing they were there. The game doesn't match the CCP approved lore, and I don't think that you should be able to use local to figure out how many possible stealthed ships your enemy brought with them to your system.
Any change to local has to effect THE ENTIRE GAME. Not just one region. "Just because it's null" isn't good enough a reason.
Local doesn't break anything in null; it's only an inconvenience to some.
Honestly, I think the only reason some people don't want local is because they want it to be harder for them to "get ganked" in null. That's the only ******* people it would benefit. Miners and PvE guys, they're the only ones that benefit from no local, tell me how wrong I am to say that SOME of those guys just want it harder to "get ganked". |

Signal11th
Amarr Empire
805
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:19:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:
This member of the herd doesn't rely on local for intell genius, I use a chanel specifically for that.
Grow up.
Number 5? God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:21:00 -
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always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.
Not surprised. |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:35:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.
Not surprised. As you post with your NPC alt.
Who castrated you? Let me guess? You're alliance kicks when you use local, like the OP? |

svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:39:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.
Not surprised. As you post with your NPC alt. Who castrated you? Let me guess? You're alliance kicks when you use local, like the OP?
Not really npc alt at all. Don't worry 
Castrated me? I am a woman 
Oh and, you saying no local would make it safer for PVE:ers than with local has to be the joke of the day by the way. You know who would hurt by removing local? Alliances with thousands of tards, that's who! |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
379
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:48:00 -
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svenska flicka wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.
Not surprised. As you post with your NPC alt. Who castrated you? Let me guess? You're alliance kicks when you use local, like the OP? Not really npc alt at all. Don't worry  Castrated me? I am a woman  Oh and, you saying no local would make it safer for PVE:ers than with local has to be the joke of the day by the way. You know who would hurt by removing local? Alliances with thousands of tards, that's who!
Not having local would hurt us? How would it being harder to find individual members hurt us? I'm pretty sure we have more miners and PvEers than you do silly.
So you're an NPC main who want it to be easier for them to jump into a null system without people knowing they're there. You really think YOU have an impact on us?
I really want to say **** or your lying, but I think that isn't very polite and not proper of a mature adult male. Then I have to wonder if I'm mature, and I honestly can't tell.
But then I'm like, ***** called me a tard. |

svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:51:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:Natsett Amuinn wrote:svenska flicka wrote:always CFC fighting to keep local in all these threads.
Not surprised. As you post with your NPC alt. Who castrated you? Let me guess? You're alliance kicks when you use local, like the OP? Not really npc alt at all. Don't worry  Castrated me? I am a woman  Oh and, you saying no local would make it safer for PVE:ers than with local has to be the joke of the day by the way. You know who would hurt by removing local? Alliances with thousands of tards, that's who! But then I'm like, ***** called me a tard.
You can read between the lines I see  |

Mirima Thurander
The 8th Tribe Seraphim Dragoons.
348
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:23:00 -
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Its nice to see everyone agreeing removing local.would make.it harder for people to.know.if I was in your system or not.
Just to clear this up THATS THE POINT. A Dark time comes. A time of terror comes. My time. If it offends you. Stop me. |

James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1078
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:33:00 -
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Mirima Thurander wrote:Its nice to see everyone agreeing removing local.would make.it harder for people to.know.if I was in your system or not.
Just to clear this up THATS THE POINT. It's obvious you're only seeing one part of a significantly more complex picture. I'm sorry you're incapable of understanding why this is an utterly ******** suggestion, but it is. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |

svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:34:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Its nice to see everyone agreeing removing local.would make.it harder for people to.know.if I was in your system or not.
Just to clear this up THATS THE POINT. It's obvious you're only seeing one part of a significantly more complex picture. I'm sorry you're incapable of understanding why this is an utterly ******** suggestion, but it is.
Razor alliance is in the CFC right? right... |

Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
380
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Mirima Thurander wrote:Its nice to see everyone agreeing removing local.would make.it harder for people to.know.if I was in your system or not.
Just to clear this up THATS THE POINT. It's obvious you're only seeing one part of a significantly more complex picture. I'm sorry you're incapable of understanding why this is an utterly ******** suggestion, but it is. No, they get it. They just don't give a ****. Huge difference.
They don't care that it would make the game boring, they want corps to be forced to put groups of guys on stations 24/ 7 to protect their space.
PS: And they think the largest group of null players would have the hardest time with this. Obviously their ******, disfunctional, unorganized corporations and alliance will manage to be able to keep guys on their gates while they bounce around CFC space.
We'd never be able to send hundreds over to them AND protect our own systems. Obviously "the blob" will have the hardest time of this, not considerably smaller entitties.
PSS: If you can't already keep us from TAKING your space, how the **** are you going to DEFEND it against us. The stupidity of it. |

Rico Ramos
STARMINE inc Solaris Mortis
8
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:39:00 -
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Locals fine stopping complaining about dumb stuff! Removing local to make it easier for one side is dumb IMO. Complain about something more important like WiS 
If you can't target miners (like myself) in nulsec (or hisec) your doing it wrong! 
Love your faces pirate type peoples!
Peace!
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