* The changes to the Cyclone in particular have me agitated, though I'd hazard a guess and say this is simply because I have enjoyed flying the ship for quite some time. Doesn't make these changes less stupid. While I understand that you wish to extend the Minmatar missile line to BCs, doing so by completely invalidating the training and money expended to achieve competency in a certain ship is not the way to go about it. Many new pilots are about to face significant retraining times to either pilot new ships of similar capabilities or to stay with their Cyclones - assuming they aren't simply put back in to small classes of ships. While this seems like a minor issue to those of us with plentiful SP - others are going to have to wait a month or so to retrain missiles. This was stupid, CCP. Really stupid.

* The Drake. Oh look, you barely touched the Drake - you know, the only Battlecruiser that needed a rebalancing after the Hurricane had it's power grid hit reasonably hard. Come on CCP, if you're going to nerf the Harbinger have the decency to nerf something that actually needed it as well.

Oh cool, the Myrmidon gets a small drones bonus. This is small but I rather like it. I'm not sure how much this will change, but I like it (despite having too horrible drone skills to test it out myself).

Hey! A small, but very cool, bonus to the Ferox. I'm not too sure on the impact this will have, but it might actually allow for some more flexibility in the fits. I'm interested in how this will turn out at the very least.

The Hurricane and Tornado are still projectile turret ships, pilots with good gunnery skills can fly those very well. Limiting ship variety due to people's current skills will only lead to more of the bad ships we have today.

You were just pointing out the nerf to the Harbinger's mobility, yet the Drake gets hit with more than twice the mass and align time than the Harbinger did (300 vs 800 and 0.2 vs 0.7) and its "barely touched"? Maybe you need more numbers and less loose statements in your posts.

Being able to field an extra heavy or sentry drone is not a "small drones bonus" it adds an extra 33% to its drone DPS. The real problem here keeps being the lackluster armor rep bonus.

An extra turret (16% DPS bonus) and an extra low can hardly be considered a small bonus. It still has a lot to ask for when compared to the Brutix or the Talos/Naga though.

You really should have held back that :words: post until you did a little more math so you could make some valid points.

Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.

You forgot one thing. Just before rebalance it was just like this:
Belicose = useless, Talwar = non existant, Breacher = useless. Cyclone = overshadowed by Hurricane.
Sorry to mention this, but even your character flew only Hurricane, Rifter/Wolf, Thrasher (according to KB losses). So why you complaining about ships totally unrelated to your playstyle?


Returning back on topic, I would love to see +1 launcher on Cyclone.

As to those whining about the Harb changes... This is a stepping stone between the Omen/Maller and 'Geddon/Abaddon. Are these ships known for their agility? No, and it should remain so across the linear progression line of the Amarrian "Tank & Gank" philosophy.
Honestly, who needs agility when you have Scorch?

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Drake:
Battlecruiser skill bonuses:
5% bonus to all Shield Resistances
5% bonus to heavy and heavy assault missile kinetic damage

I'd prefer *not* to see all BC/BS ships redesigned around a fleet-only focus.

Despite rumors to the contrary, solo and small gang PVP are not dead. Many of us still prefer faster/smaller scale PVP, in which logi support isn't always available.

Also, many players still run missions solo, or in small gangs, where the active rep bonuses are needed. I used an active-tank Brutix for running L3 missions solo, until I skilled up to fly a BS.

That said, active armor repping is certainly long overdue for a buff.