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xUnlimitedx ZERO T0LERANCE RAZOR Alliance 19	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:19:00 - [91] - Quote Well u need to nerf Tier 3's first to get in line. And hi Amsdreit.
Ezra Vouland Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:19:00 - [92] - Quote Brutix for shield buffer bonus of some sort please?
Mund Richard 234	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:20:00 - [93] - Quote IrJosy wrote: Vexor (turret/drone bonus) > Myrm (drone / repair bonus) > Domi (turret/drone bonus) One of these is not like the others. I see your drone boats and raise Thorax (hybrid / tracking) > Brutix (hybrid / repair bonus) > Mega (hybrid / tracking) (Except that in that case folk can bring in both Talos as competitor and Hyper as repper, so not as good. You win. Still don't like the double active rep BCs though.) Ezra Vouland wrote: Brutix for shield buffer bonus of some sort please? Like a Ferox, with less meh optimal and more damage bonus with the shields? Wish there was a Rogue Drone Faction Battleship... Infested Domi! Including all the wiggly bits to tend to your swarm, droneboat role bonus, and ofc with turrets.
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:23:00 - [94] - Quote Why the heck does it seem like CCP has a lovefest with the Caldari ships? If they are nerfing the Cane (again) because it is overused, then for crap sake they should be nerfing the hell out of the Drake. You really want to stop botting in EVE, well it starts with your passivly tanked caldari ships. Or was all that lip service to stopping bots just that...lip service?
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2573	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:23:00 - [95] - Quote First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post. -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Torri Bernard Hedion University Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:23:00 - [96] - Quote Edward Pierce wrote: Torri Bernard wrote: What you are doing to the prophecy is an abomination. Didnt you get the hint when no one flew the myrmadon? Drone boat battlecruisers are horrible ideas. Add in the nerf to the harbinger and its likely no one will fly amarr ever again. Maybe they don't fly them because they can't find the in the market. No Myrmadons in Jita Every race has 2 damage types, Amarr happens to be lasers and drones, don't like drones, don't fly Amarr drone boats. Amarr has as many missile boats as drone boats. Also, go fly a prophecy in a goon fleet and see how long you make it before they laugh you out and make you take a picture with a plunger on your head. (you can try this before or after the change and you'll get the same result)
Jin alPatar Entertainment 7wenty 56	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:26:00 - [97] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: 7.5% bonus to Armor Repairer effectiveness Please rethink this part. Active local tank bonuses are not competitive with the resist bonus.
Destoya Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 46	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:26:00 - [98] - Quote Any change on the shield recharge for the passive tank kings, drake and myrm? This isnt a comment on the actual combat performance of the ship but I'm also not sure I like the move to 10% bonuses on the harbinger. I know you should be duly rewarded for training skills, but I feel like 10% weapon damage makes the jump from battlecruiser IV to V quite large. Battlecruisers are some of the most cost-effective and achievable ships for newer players to aim towards for PVP, and I feel like many of the newer players wouldnt be able to fully experience what the harb was intended to be when it was balanced. (Hurricane experiences the same thing even now though, so I might just be over-exaggerating things) I suppose it's not too terrible if the skill multiplier for Amarr BC is changed to be a bit lower when the split happens, but still. Speaking of, I might have missed it somewhere but will this point release contain the Battlecruiser/Destroyer split or are you saving it for a later expansion?
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 6	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:26:00 - [99] - Quote Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." I am quoting this because it is soooooo true. At least every other race can choose one or the other, minmatar have to try and figure out how to fit both on each ship. DUMB!
Edward Pierce GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 4	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:26:00 - [100] - Quote Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon. Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link!
HazeInADaze L'Avant Garde Happy Endings 9	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:28:00 - [101] - Quote I'd like to see BCs more dependent on cruiser & frig support. I think they should be a fleet enhancement: either links and tank or DPS. But I don't like seeing them as a straight upgrade from combat cruisers -- I think combat cruisers need a place that the BC just can't fill. Painfully slow aligns, limited speed, low sensor strength, low scan res, a very negative correlation between tank and gank; all ways to make the BC rely on help from other classes to bring its designed strength to the fight. I think the T1 logi and Ewar cruisers will still retain a roll but i'm hopeful that the choice between caracal and drake, or ruppy and cane isn't as simple as " do I want to spend more money?"
Torri Bernard Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:28:00 - [102] - Quote Edward Pierce wrote: Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon. Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link! You are a CCP employee arent you. Why else would you be white knighting for them so hard?
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:28:00 - [103] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post. -Liang I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless.

CCP Fozzie C C P C C P Alliance 2990	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:29:00 - [104] - Quote Dear Capsuleers. Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons. All the best. -Love Fozzie :Writing up a reply to more questions now: Game Designer \| Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie

Torri Bernard Hedion University Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:30:00 - [105] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post. -Liang I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless. You should go rat with it. It'll be awesome!
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:30:00 - [106] - Quote Edward Pierce wrote: Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon. Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link! Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3749	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:31:00 - [107] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform not sure if serious Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:32:00 - [108] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Edward Pierce wrote: Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon. Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link! Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless. Don't even get me started on the Naglfar....yeah again SPLIT PLATFORM....imagine having to train capital class weapons for both projectile and missiles just to be effective as a cap pilot. Dumbest thing in EVE.
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3749	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:33:00 - [109] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless. Wouldn't be awesome if the devs were going to revamp battleships too? I think it would. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Mund Richard 235	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:33:00 - [110] - Quote CCP Fozzie wrote: Dear Capsuleers. Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons. All the best. -Love Fozzie True. So... One turret/missile ship with Two utility Highs? Why not add another launcher and have zero? Wish there was a Rogue Drone Faction Battleship... Infested Domi! Including all the wiggly bits to tend to your swarm, droneboat role bonus, and ofc with turrets.
Liang Nuren Heretic Army Heretic Nation 2574	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:34:00 - [111] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Liang Nuren wrote: First, let me say: Don't touch my Cyclone. Now I'll read your post. -Liang I have been playing EVE for almost 5 years and can count the number of cyclones I have seen on one hand. The ship sucks. And now they are making it worse, but trying to morph it into a missile boat? Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform....it is completely useless. WTF? Where the hell do you live that you don't see Cyclones everywhere? -Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
Hans Jagerblitzen Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance 3749	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:34:00 - [112] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: imagine having to train capital class weapons for both projectile and missiles just to be effective as a cap pilot. Dumbest thing in EVE. I don't have to imagine, because I alread- Bahhhhhh, why do I bother. 3/10 Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
Omnathious Deninard Extrinsic Operations 401	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:34:00 - [113] - Quote 4LeafClover wrote: Edward Pierce wrote: Tomytronic wrote: I would like to throw in another vote for: "Oh my God, split weapon systems are terrible." Split weapon systems refers to bonuses to two different weapon systems, like the Typhoon. Having one or two extra highs that could also be a turret is called a utility slot. Use a turret, or a smart bomb, or a nos/neut. Or here's an idea, use a gang link! Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless. Right now Gallente is the ONLY race that has mulutple ships with split weapon systems. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:34:00 - [114] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 4LeafClover wrote: Now I can't even use the Cyclone as a sniping platform not sure if serious How many missile snipe ships do you see out there......? "crickets"
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:36:00 - [115] - Quote Omnathious Deninard wrote: Right now Gallente is the ONLY race that has mulutple ships with split weapon systems. You're kidding right?
arbalesttom Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance 10	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:36:00 - [116] - Quote WOW you guys think about the whole bc tiericide for a couple of months, and this is all you can come up with??? (i.e. nerfing the ships that where perfectly fine, and leave the **** ones as they are pretty much) i am dissapoint
John Valentine Repo. 3	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:37:00 - [117] - Quote Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: 4LeafClover wrote: Have you ever flown a typhoon? Don't worry if you haven't, nobody else does either...the reason is a split weapon system...you only get a bonus to 4 turret slots? And just try to fit 3 gyros, and 3 ballistic controls in the lows.....useless. Wouldn't be awesome if the devs were going to revamp battleships too? I think it would. For the love of God dont let them touch the Battleships..you know the gonna nerf the **** out of the maelstrom and probally make the Tempest a missile boat.
Edward Pierce GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:37:00 - [118] - Quote Torri Bernard: CCP Fozzie wrote: Dear Capsuleers. Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons. All the best. -Love Fozzie I'm in Goonswarm, CCP Fozzie is my employee. I have also been asking for a change to active tank bonuses and the Ferox hybrid optimal bonus, only I don't sperg as bad as the rest of the denizens of forms.eveonline.com, this doesn't mean I'm not asking for things.
Jerrek Peacelord Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy 6	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:37:00 - [119] - Quote Never posted on an EVE development forum, but I'm only replying 'cos I'm annoyed. As a player who loves solo pvp and small gang pvp, if these changes went through to what is probably my fave class of ship, solo pvp (which is very difficult currently with friggin ECM/Falcon trash everywhere: sort ECM out please devs!) is going to be even more difficult and, basically: you're nerfing the whole class of ship pretty much. Losing utility highs IS a big deal, cos being a ship with a rack of just weapons means you are one dimensional. It's pushing pvp in the game even more into needing to be in a fleet, which cuts out the whole ease of logging in, jumping in a ship and going and having some fun without trying to fc another fleet (or herd cats). The Changes: Harbs: less of everything except the damage bonus. Well that's just brilliant. Cant WAIT to fly that in our nex....NOT! Prophecy: is anyone REALLY looking forward to flying a drone boat of this size with 75m3 for drones? Cane: oh...my...goodness. Seriously? Do you not want anyone to fly this thing? Cyclone: why split damage types?! And at the risk of crying over previously spilled milk......MISSILES?! Good grief..... Brutix: bonus! It's not a bonus cos NO-ONE USES IT IF THEY HAVE PLAYED THE GAME FOR LONGER THAN 3 MONTHS! Myrmidon: wahey! One good thing to say....a bc with (imho) the minimum size drone bandwidth....finally. But what the chuff? Still an armour rep bonus?!! IF you HAVE to mess about with these ships to this extent, at least sort the bonuses out to reflect how people are fitting the ships. I KNOW people should fir according to the ship's bonuses, but bonuses are not good enough to affect the meta (ie, people still flying 2x LArge Shield Extender Brutix like Kil2 does) so rather than just make the bonuses obsolete, make them useful! I cant be bothered to moan about the other changes cos they are all fustrating and disappointing. You're just nerfing the class. That sucks. T1 cruisers got a big buff and are awesome, why make bc's crappier. Unless you plan on making bs waaaaay better for the summer so more people fly/lose those and that drives PLEX sales up. There I said it, and I dont care. Seriously, please don't make THOSE changes; listen to us and make good ones. T1 cruiser changes were universally cool. T1 frig changes were universally coool. DONT DROP THE BALL WITH BC's CCP! Seriously, give BS a 9th slot in mids/highs/lows or something if that means they can "stay ahead" of bc's, just don't nerf bc's too much! breathes into a paper bag
4LeafClover Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2013.01.08 22:37:00 - [120] - Quote Liang Nuren wrote: WTF? Where the hell do you live that you don't see Cyclones everywhere? -Liang EVE Online

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