Take it easy buddy, not all replies are to your posts.

I'm not saying the 800m plate compares to the LSE, I'm just pointing out the inadequacy of Jorma's oversimplification.

So yes, shield tanking is very different from armor tanking; lets leave it at that and move on from this module to module comparison.

With current stats Drake with one LSE has double the EHP 800mm Harbi has (77k vs 36k).

Armageddon I'd say.
Considering that the NavyGeddon already has a huge dronebay and bandwidth, I suppose they increse the drone capacity of the standard Geddon, too when the battleships are due for tiericide.

Why would anyone choose to fly the new Cyclones ? It's pretty simple.

First, you can choose what damage you want to deal.

Second, you have one hell of an active tank.

Third, it's not a slowbrick.

Fourth, doesn't look like a Drake.

If you want to solo in this ship, you do the same thing Cyclone pilots already do, except with missiles and 2 utility slots.

Any questions ?

I know that numerous people replied to this already, but two things stick out to me (similar to what already has been said).

1. With the HM nerf, which subsequently has gimped those who pilot Drakes isn't it about time to get rid of the Kin bonus and replace it with a RoF bonus (5-7.5-10%)?

2. If you intend to radically alter the Cyclone (from AC fit Missile fit) then why would you gimp it even further by not going all the way with a sixth launcher instead of this half-assed split weapon system crud you insist upon?

As far as Amarr and Gallente ships I have no opinion since I don't fly them and I prefer that pilots more experienced with lasers and drones provide commentary.

Dear Capsuleers.
Two utility highslots is not the same as split weapons.
All the best.
-Love Fozzie

:Had to deal with something else, will reply to more questions tomorrow:

Oh, I see.
I was stupid then, sorry.
If 800mm RRT + biggest guns + Neut is not possible, then we have indeed a problem with the Harbi that CCP should address.

Blatantly stealing this from Mynnna's review on TheMittani.com:
The ROF bonus on the Cyclone is better than the kinetic damage bonus on the Drake. The Cyclone also has an extra low which allows it to have more damage mods. Giving it a 7th launcher would give it too much DPS compared to other BCs.

The ferox, drake and brutix are missing their utility high for a warfare link.

Heavy Pulses are not the biggest guns. Heavy Beams are.

I agree, a 7th launcher would be too much.
How about giving it a 6th launcher?

Maybe the Ferox, Drake and Brutix should all be given a utility high by removing a turret from each?

I agree, a 7th launcher would be too much.
How about giving it a 6th launcher?

Gallente still suck as usual.

Gallente need a defense bonus similar to resistance, no more armor rep bonuses please that's for PVE. Nobody flies a fleet with active armor tanks.

Good catch, but the point still stands though. With double the drone size, ability to choose its damage type, an extra low and an extra high slot over the Drake, changing one of those two utility slots to a launcher would make it go over board on the DPS.

I don't like crude language but wtf CCP?

Still sticking with active armor rep bonuses for Gallente when they are useless.

Not everyone flies in fleets.

-Liang

Dunno, Cane has 6 RoF AND Damage bonused turrets and a launcher, compared to that 6 RoF but not damage bonused launchers and a turret (and some extra drones) doesn't sound so game breaking, but I haven't really flown HAM ships, so I could be off.

That is true but I was still hoping for a tracking or falloff bonus on the Brutix as opposed to the active rep. The Myrm as a drone boat and with un-bonused high slots will always be favored for the tank role and a little variety would be nice.

I'm beginning to like you.

Good catch, but the point still stands though. With double the drone size, ability to choose its damage type, an extra low and an extra high slot over the Drake, changing one of those two utility slots to a launcher would make it go over board on the DPS.

Geddon and Navy Geddon can field a full flight of heavies/sentiries, but both are turret only ships with no drone bonuses.

The progression path of Dragoon>Arbitrator/Curse>Prophecy are all Drone bonused ships that can use launchers. Aside from the Pilgrim, all the Amarr drone boats have as many or more launcher hardpoints than turret hardpoints.

Not everyone flies in fleets.

-Liang

So now minmatar pilots must be efficient in projectile, missiles, and drones? Not to mention that their tanking is also split, so they must train both armor and shield tanking...that is if they would like to efficiently fly minmatar ships? Is there another race that must do all of this?

Many, MANY people do.

The Brutix was never going to be your go-to ship for fleet work. Blasters don't scale, and it's useless to pretend like a medium rail fit is going to be worth a ****.

-Liang

So now minmatar pilots must be efficient in projectile, missiles, and drones? Not to mention that their tanking is also split, so they must train both armor and shield tanking...that is if they would like to efficiently fly minmatar ships? Is there another race that must do all of this?