The Drake is keeping the Kin bonus? Uh huuuuh...

Yet, it's short 48 CPU and 264 PWG at All V.

Why the F*** did you improve damage bonus and remove one gun of harby? Why not reduce bonus and keep 7 guns + 1 utility slot?

The one ship from Amarr that's been worth it's penny everytime I've used it is getting nerfed... **** I say, ****.

My reactions (partly from a wormhole point of view)

1. I'm not a fan of losing "utility" high slots on Drakes and Hurricanes (and others).
2. I always looked at the Brutix as being in between the Thorax and the Hyperion - or rather, it was supposed to be
3. Similarly, I look at the Myrmidon as a stepping stone between the Vexor and the Dominix (both drone boats).
4. With the advent of the Naga, I think the Ferox is better off as a more nimble mid-range gunnery platform. The tradeoff between the two should be that you get more damage and range with the Naga, but that you're slower and less maneuverable. I don't have stats handy to compare with what's posted above, but I think the ships may be too close together right now, which means the Ferox just gets eclipsed by its newer cousin.

5. Right now most hurricanes that we fly in wormholes (or that we run into) are set up for armor tank/autocannons unless the pilot is just going for a heavy sniping setup using artillery. This happens both because of the way that sleepers and sites work, where sniping is often impractical, and the way that wormhole PvP happens (usually close quarters fights). The cap change is going to severely hurt the viability of that setup. Can we look at either adding a mid slot to get a more viable shield tank on a 'cane, or adding an armor tank bonus of some kind to make up for the cap loss?

Admit it, you want something other than rep bonus on your brutix just so you can shield fit it better and shoot null everywhere. Disgusting.

1: yea, apart from the Harbi, you have to trade damage for the high (if lucky, unbonused ones), and the harbi has fitting issues, so the same deal.

2: more like between the Thorax and Mega.
The Hyper with it's 5 mids is an excellent shield ship with 8 bonused guns (unlike the Rokh) for both brawl and snipe.

3: With CCP insisting that drone boats have one slot less, it's problematic.
It has too many mid slots (thus not enough lows) for getting a proper tank, and using both DDAs and Magstabs, should it get a hybrid bonus.
Thorax vs Vexor the difference is one high, here also a low for a mid. Leads to issues.

4: So you want the naga to be cumbersome... Like a Battleship? Like a... Rokh?
Whatever the Ferox does while sniping, it will get overshadowed in all but staying power.

Why didn't you start your post with:

"Hi, my name is CCP Fozzie and I want to make sure that all the Battlecruisers that you are flying for large scaled PvP will have to be refitted!".


CCP, do you even think about the paper work for Alliances and FC when we have to change fittings for these battlecruisers every month?

How exactly getting more DPS while keeping the utility slot is a nerf ?

Please explain me that.

Also Fozzie, in case you didn't saw it already, please, please buff the Harbingers' CPU. It's a MASSIVE issue, both on the current and the new Harbinger.

Fake EDIT :

Now that I made fits for all the new BCs on the modified EFT, please note that the Harbinger is severly lacking in both PWG and CPU.

My current Harbinger fit is this one :



Biggest guns (It's a BC, it has to use the biggest medium guns available), T1 plate. Nothing really demanding fitted.

Yet, it's short 48 CPU and 264 PWG at All V.

Biggest Guns + battleship-sized plate.
I think it's great that the Harbi can fit either of them and it's fine that it cannot fit both. Go with a 800 mm plate if you want to go full dps and everything should fit perfectly.
I know, "Compromise" isn't an Amarrian word, but sometimes you just have to do it for better game balance.

I have BC V and good drone skills, so this doesn't effect me, but where does a new Amarr pilot who specializes in drones (with a side dish of Missiles) go after the Prophecy?

An alternative would be to turn the Ferox into a blaster brawler - which would be pretty interesting, but it'd be a massive change. I did go look up stats on the Naga just now though and ouch, I didn't realize its mobility was so high already compared to the Ferox. No wonder no one really flies Feroxes anymore (especially not now that we have the Venture for gas mining)

I have BC V and good drone skills, so this doesn't effect me, but where does a new Amarr pilot who specializes in drones (with a side dish of Missiles) go after the Prophecy?

Gallente pilots can go Domi>Navi Domi/Sin.

I like the Prophecy, don't change it, but I thought you wanted to make the game more new player friendly. What is the next step for a newish Amarr pilot?

Drake should only be able to fit MSEs. LSEs are BS sized shield extenders after all.?

Drake should only be able to fit MSEs. LSEs are BS sized shield extenders after all.

Biggest Guns + battleship-sized plate.
I think it's great that the Harbi can fit either of them and it's fine that it cannot fit both. Go with a 800 mm plate if you want to go full dps and everything should fit perfectly.

Biggest Guns + battleship-sized plate.
I think it's great that the Harbi can fit either of them and it's fine that it cannot fit both. Go with a 800 mm plate if you want to go full dps and everything should fit perfectly.
I know, "Compromise" isn't an Amarrian word, but sometimes you just have to do it for better game balance.

1 gun of 7 is ~14% of your damage, so you'll keep 86% of current damage AND add 25% of that - 107,5%, also with 14% less cap used to fire!
Great buff, isn't it?

T2 LSE has 2625 shield bonus base. T2 800m plate has 2103 armor bonus base. T2 1600m plate has 4200 armor bonus base.

Read -> Math -> Post

Oh and, hey, it's only losing a 10% of it's hp, who cares? 'Great' change.

T2 LSE has 2625 shield bonus base. T2 800m plate has 2103 armor bonus base. T2 1600m plate has 4200 armor bonus base.
Read -> Math -> Post

Read -> Math -> Post

Large shield extender
Large

Large = BS sized

No.

With a 800mm plate, you're still short 48 CPU, and you still need a 3% PWG implant.

That's not what I call "It fits perfectly".

Also, please note that both Projectiles and Hybrids have 3 variants for each weapon-size. Lasers only have 2, which means you are forced to downgrade to the smallest guns instead of being able to tweak it with 220mm like you can do on the Hurricane.

I understand that not everything will fit on a Harbinger. But it NEEDS to PWG to support the biggest guns, 1600mm plate and a MWD.

It's an Amarrian ship, designed to sport armor plates. How come it can't fit the plate it's supposed to ? The Prophecy does it, can fit his utility slot and has even 100 spare PWG.

That's just not how it's supposed to be.

The Harbinger needs a CPU boost (VERY IMPORTANT) and a PWG boost.

The T2 LSE also offers a fairly non-trivial boost to shield recharge and thus passive tank, so comparing it directly to an 800mm plate isn't entirely fair.

A 400 plate takes 30 PG, and is considered cruiser-size
1600 plate takes 500 PG and is considered BattleShip-sized
800 plates take 200 PG

Now, I'm no math expert, but I'd say from 200 to 500 the jump is x2.5, while from 30 to 200 x6.67 or something.
If I had to pick between it being a cruiser or a battleship module, which one should I pick, even if I ignore implants improving the health I wonder?

Back at you.