I wonder if sooner or later everyone frequenting this thread will finish their posts with:
"And the Harbringer getting +10% damage bonus is a damage buff even with loosing a turret."

Until they make these bonuses apply on all reps (remote reps too), the rep bonus will always be inferior to the passive tank since it can't scale in gangs.

My view on the Battlecruiser changes:


Prophecy:
It's a drone Battlecruiser now.
They replaced the energy consumption reduction (Energy Turrets) bonus with a drone HP and Dmg bonus.
This means you can now fit launchers or projectile weapons without missing out on a bonus and the missing damage by removing turrets (-2 turrets but +3 launcher slots so 1 weapon less than before) is more than compensated by the drone damage bonus and the increased bandwidth and drone bay.
I've never flown a drone battlecruiser before but the new prophecy makes me want to test it. The Armor resistance bonus also works great with fleets and 7 low slots enables one hell of a tank.
I think this battlecruiser profited the most from those (possible) patchnotes.


Harbinger:
I run the numbers in my head and it deals about 4% more damage than before but has about 10% less EHP (both are estimates).
Its cap is probably the same as before (with the remobal of one turret and a decrease in regeneration). So it's relatively close to where it was before in my opinion. I always thought of it as one of the weaker battlecruisers and still do.


Ferox:
Hardly anything changed about the Ferox. It got an additional turret but has no damage bonus and for a shield tank of this size having only 5 med slots is not acceptable in my opinion. Also I don't see what 5 low slots should be used for. (Tracking Enhancers and MagStabs probably but it already has so much range before that and you can't use a tracking script with the TEs so they're less useful than TCs here which you can't use because you need the mids for shields). If you thought the Ferox wasn't useful before then you'll probably still think that after the patch.


Drake:
The drake probably experienced the least changes of all battlecruisers. Its tank got nerfed a little, it's unnecessary 8th highslot got removed and it has slightly less fitting resources but it'll probably still work about as well as it does right now.


Brutix:
Never used one of those, to me it looks like they mostly stayed the same. A new low slot for and more armor and cap make a better tank.


Myrmidon:
One high slot got removed and they slightly nered the tank and increased the Bandwidth and Drone bay a bit. I have no idea how to use 100 Mbit with drones. 4 Ogres? Anyway, as I already said, I'd use a prophecy as my drone BC of choice.


Cyclone:
The most noticable change (aside from that additional Low slot, one less High slot and 100 more CPU) is the increase of bandwidth and drone bay. You can now field 5 Hammerheads with this ship. Tank and cap got increased. I think the cyclone is mostly the same as before but slightly improved in different spots.


Hurricane:
One less high slot and less capacitor volume (but more regeneration). It's mostly the same as before but with less energy neuting power, so it's a nerf for the hurricane.

Not everything needs to be for big fleets, yo.

Nobody wants to fly boats that are slow as hell, even if it's tank/dps is a tiny bit better.

The Ferox bonuses are a terrible idea. A Sniping ship has no use for tank bonuses and a brawling ship has no use for Range bonuses. No matter how it's used it's wasting a bonus. And medium Rails are still terrible anyway so nobody is going to use it at all.

And the Brutix is still going to be fit for Shield Gank. It'd be nice to see that Armour Rep bonus be changed to something moderately useful, like Tracking.

Interesting to see that the only people the Dev responded to were goons...

It seems wrong for there to be so few stickies in this section.

Hi everyone! Welcome to our first ship balance thread of 2013! Today we've got a set of battlecruisers for you, the former Tier 1 and Tier 2 BCs, re-branded Combat Battlecruisers.

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Let me know what you think!

"The basic idea of the battlecruiser is simple; provide a ship with more punch than a cruiser and more speed than a true battleship; speed enough for cruiser task force operations. Battlecruisers are less weakened battleships than they are strengthened cruisers. As originally proposed, these ships would be used with other cruisers for scouting, commerce raiding, engaging enemy cruiser task forces and making hit-and-run flank attacks to harass an enemy force in large engagements. They were supposed to use their superior speed to avoid being challenged by true battleships.

Achieving this speed required starting with something the size of a battleship, but with fewer main guns, smaller main guns, less armor protection, less range, or some combination. This to make room in a battleship-sized hull for enough machinery to push the huge vessel through the water at cruiser speeds."

You are aware the t2 frigates havent been buffed yet, right?

The targeting ranges seem pretty low compared to what all the other modified ships have gotten. There are frigates that target twice as far as a hurricane for example.

I play this game for almost 5 years now, I never seen a kill, a fit posted in a forum, anyone I know ever told me they fitted a warfare link module in a battlecruiser. And in the past we had 1 free high slot and now is gone in all ships. (doesn't mean nobody do it, I just never seen it!)

I leave the question in the air: Who in going to give up 2 weapon or 1 weapon/some tank to fit 1 WL module in a battlecruiser (remember that to fit 1 of these modules you need 50 cpu/200 PWG and it consumes 25Power leaving you cap dry in a minute or two)

On top of that there is no bonus to the usage of a WL so why fit one in a BC when the t3 or t2 do it 500% better?

OK smart ass, which frigate has a base 90km targeting range (twice as far as the hurricane)?

I agree that the Minmatar BCs shouldn't have a shorter max targeting range than their cruiser equivalents (Rupture 50km, Stabber 47.5km) but making wild claims like that just makes you look like a baseless whiner; just post real numbers like a big boy and people might take you seriously.

Snip

Only with all skills at 5 brotatoe, and as has been pointed out if all of your skills are at 5 theres not much chance that you're flying a harbinger so for just about everybody who WILL fly a harbinger it will be slower, do less dps and even if you look at the 1 removed gun they're removing MORE cpu than that one gun used so less overall CPU fitting space.

Griffin and other E-War frigates have a massive targeting range, but that's expected. No combat frigate from what I am aware of has a base targeting range of 90km.

Prophecy:
Battlecruiser skill bonuses:
5% bonus to all Armor Resistances
10% bonus to drone damage and hitpoints
Fixed Bonus:
99% reduction in the CPU need of Warfare Link modules
Slot layout: 5 H (-2), 4 M (+1), 7 L (+1), 4 turrets (-2), 4 Launchers (+3)
Fittings: 1100 PWG (-200), 415 CPU (+75)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 3000(-419) / 5500(+617) / 4250(-145)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 2850(+37.5) / 750s / 3.8 (+0.05)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 150 / 0.704 / 12900000 (-600,000) / 8.5s (-0.4)
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 75 (+50) / 225 (+200)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 50km / 210 / 6
Sensor strength: 17 Radar (+1)
Signature radius: 270 (+5)
Cargo capacity: 400 (+50)