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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.10.12 12:31:00 -
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This is still on going? You know what the main problem is, you have no patience. And you know what the 2nd problem is? You have the perception you need xx mill SP to do something.
You can mine at any skill level, you can pvp at any skil level, you can do ANYTHING at any skill level. You just want the best right away. Talk about instant gratification.
This character is about 5 months old, so yes I do know what you're talking about. It's not that the game or the skill system is broken, it's just that you're one of those kids who doesn't know how to play in a sandbox without being handed all the toys, shapes and little spades first. |

Omar Alharazaad
ZomCom
79
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Posted - 2013.10.12 13:26:00 -
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ravill rivyll wrote: Look now I will be serious. You dont have to use alts. I am 4 mil. SP char. I can make enough ISKs to pay with plex and I can buy nearly any ship I need for this stage in game. (And its my only acc...) Well I am not into industry or mining nor I dont have leadership skills but thats a part life you cant be specialized in everything. People who are multiboxing do it from some reason and can afford it. Do you want to have cyno character ? Suit yourself... Do you want pirate character ? Suit yourself... but always pay for it and dont cry that you are forced to do it. Your character is not ment to be specialized in everything. But if you want you can make another acc. Its absolutely optional. You are not creating alt you are creating another character specialized in different branch of gameplay. If you have to be multiboxing to enjoy game or be succesful then you are doing it wrong and its only your problem...
This. The multiboxing thing made me twitch. I have played on EQ emulator servers in the past where everyone six-boxed their characters to accomplish everything... end result was that it was impossible to find a group to participate in because... everyone had a full group of their multibox alts. I hate doing this, I mean I really really really hate doing this... as a full fledged people hating curmudgeon I have to say... play with other people instead of alts? The interaction with other players is what makes EVE go... and even as the EVE equivalent of the crazy guy living under the bench in the park I have to recognize this. When you multibox you're hurting your own chances at having fun with other people... and you're reducing their opportunities to do the same. The reason you can't do everything awesome right away is because the game is designed to make you work/play/murder with other people in order to get the really good stuff going on. As I said before, there is no endgame unless you want there to be one. The real point is to have fun, and that doesn't require skillpoints. If you doubt this, go to C&P and check out Zappity's Adventures, a fine example of a low SP character making the most of their time. Anyways, I just realized I'm building a wall. Fly safe. |

Asaryuu
Liquid Words
18
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Posted - 2013.10.13 03:30:00 -
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ravill rivyll wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:[quote=ravill rivyll]Somebody put this looser out his misery please.. what about removing your multiboxing characters. Shh dont cry.. I am 4 mil. SP char. I can make enough ISKs to pay with plex and I can buy nearly any ship I need for this stage in game.
If you don't mind me asking what do you do in game that enables you to buy a plex? |

ravill rivyll
Perkone Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.10.13 23:53:00 -
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Roaming nullsec relic sites can easily earn you over 100 mil. per hour if you are lucky... But the most profit comes from selling virgins and enslaving minmatars.. |

Ras Al-Gul
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:32:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Hi,
So I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best. I started playing 2 months ago and just lost all the friends I brought into eve.
This game is simply way too punishing for new players. Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training. Then you have some of the basics and can still not do anything special. My first month of eve was great... But it was all just theoretical fun. All I did was plan stuff and study about the game and it's mechanics. So I brought 4 of my friends in which all payed for 1 month + trial. They loved the first month of eve and into the seconds month they all saw just how truly pathetic they were in terms of SP. Everything they wanted to do was years of training away. I was going to quit as well until I heard of the character bazaar. So I dropped a huge load of $ to buy a pilot that could actually play the game.
I am sure the long SP training ques are CCP's way of "milking" $ out of us. Which proves a point to me. Every one that I have spoken to that plays eve has at least 1-4 alts. So that in itself proves how low the game population actually is. Now this isn't a troll or whining thread. If CCP truly wanted to make more $ something needs to be done about SP. The longer the game progresses the more useless new players become. Could you imagine starting to play WOW right now and have to grind through all of those expansions just to start playing the game at 90... Then the game only starts right?
So this is as constructive as a new player can get. I am not mad in any way. I actually want to help eve grow, that's the whole reason of this thread. I want to know if anything is being done about the huge SP brick wall. From what I am seeing the summer change is making it even harder for new players. Battle cruisers were a huge win for new players as it didn't take too long to fly them and now it's even taking that small win away from new players.
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? I truly want to see this game grow so help me talk to the right people. If I could talk to the right people I could really guarantee new players sticking around instead of getting discouraged and quitting.
Regards: Hefty
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Ras Al-Gul
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:34:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Hi,
So I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best. I started playing 2 months ago and just lost all the friends I brought into eve.
This game is simply way too punishing for new players. Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training. Then you have some of the basics and can still not do anything special. My first month of eve was great... But it was all just theoretical fun. All I did was plan stuff and study about the game and it's mechanics. So I brought 4 of my friends in which all payed for 1 month + trial. They loved the first month of eve and into the seconds month they all saw just how truly pathetic they were in terms of SP. Everything they wanted to do was years of training away. I was going to quit as well until I heard of the character bazaar. So I dropped a huge load of $ to buy a pilot that could actually play the game.
I am sure the long SP training ques are CCP's way of "milking" $ out of us. Which proves a point to me. Every one that I have spoken to that plays eve has at least 1-4 alts. So that in itself proves how low the game population actually is. Now this isn't a troll or whining thread. If CCP truly wanted to make more $ something needs to be done about SP. The longer the game progresses the more useless new players become. Could you imagine starting to play WOW right now and have to grind through all of those expansions just to start playing the game at 90... Then the game only starts right?
So this is as constructive as a new player can get. I am not mad in any way. I actually want to help eve grow, that's the whole reason of this thread. I want to know if anything is being done about the huge SP brick wall. From what I am seeing the summer change is making it even harder for new players. Battle cruisers were a huge win for new players as it didn't take too long to fly them and now it's even taking that small win away from new players.
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness? I truly want to see this game grow so help me talk to the right people. If I could talk to the right people I could really guarantee new players sticking around instead of getting discouraged and quitting.
Regards: Hefty
Hefty,
I started playing eve about a year and a half ago, I tried Eve for the same reasons most did, a love of sci-fi, exhaustion from the more "ADHD intensive" games around and also a desire for a game that you see steady progress and a wide array of choices to spend your time/efforts on.
Now to the "issues" you brought up in your post:
I believe you do not quite understand what eve offers if you are complaining about the SP system and let me explain why.
When I first started playing I went through the entire tutorial system, it provided me with my first few frigates, my first destroyer and my first industrial ship, and around 15m isk when I was done with them. This intro into what professions(generally) you could train for was great, and I decided I enjoy security missions and wanted to PvP.
I genuinely loved being able to learn and fly my first frigates well, and when I first hopped into my destroyer it felt like a huge jump.
I joined red vs blue and pvped with frigates, and did lvl 2 and 3 security missions in my destroyer until I could *properly pilot a BC or BS for lvl 4s.
What I think you are missing or choosing to ignore is that there is much to be had for any player, I am even envious of newer playersehen they first get a shiny new frigate they haven't tried before, its a great feeling.
When you conpaired this game to WoW and reaching lvl 90 you showed that you completely missed what makes eve different.
There is no end game here, there is only what you enjoy doing, and you don't need all skills lvl5 to do anything in this game.
Do skills help, obviously, but its all what you enjoy anyways, and if you are not enjoying what your doing while your skills train up......you do not get this game......
Hop in a frigate, t1, with a good fit, t2 if you can, go and shoot some stuff, explore, trade etc.
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Arrins Uta
Valkyrie Professional Resources I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1
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Posted - 2013.10.21 02:42:00 -
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Asaryuu wrote:ravill rivyll wrote:Carmen Electra wrote:[quote=ravill rivyll]Somebody put this looser out his misery please.. what about removing your multiboxing characters. Shh dont cry.. I am 4 mil. SP char. I can make enough ISKs to pay with plex and I can buy nearly any ship I need for this stage in game. If you don't mind me asking what do you do in game that enables you to buy a plex?
I can plex my account as well at a little over 2 or 3 mill. Run sansha sites or what ever get bountys move to another or salvage that one then move. When I was actively hitting sites I would clear in about 14 minutes making about 10 mill a site not to mention salvage stuff. Its easy to make idk after at least the first month of skill training. Like someone else said people are to caught up on what they can't do. I was for a little bit but now im focused on frigate fw which is alot of fun lose some win some. I fly small and large cleets with my corp and play an active role in them.
People just need to enjoy each and every step of the game. Would you goto the great wall of China just to **** and moan about not walking to the other end instantly? No. |

Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.10.21 08:31:00 -
[818] - Quote
Hefty TheFirst wrote:Hi,
So I have come to like more "mature" MMOS and eve struck me as one of the best. I started playing 2 months ago and just lost all the friends I brought into eve.
This game is simply way too punishing for new players.
.........
Regards: Hefty
I wasn't whining on forums when i had to train learning skills and every day i see CCP helps even more new players. I play this game since 2007, what have you done for this company instead?
Hellokittyonline -----> that way |

Frank Millar
254
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Posted - 2013.10.21 10:23:00 -
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Guys, guys...
Hefty ain't here. He hasn't been here for a long time. |

Giullare
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
13
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Posted - 2013.10.21 12:43:00 -
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Verba volant scripta manent. For all who will come to this thread |
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Mr Aurilen
Tactical Soldiers Nulli Secunda
4
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Posted - 2013.10.21 18:36:00 -
[821] - Quote
If you and your friends can't handle the learning curve then leave. The current system is fine how it is. |

Incontinentia Deretana
Well Organized Teams are United Arete Consortium
0
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Posted - 2013.10.22 14:55:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Am I speaking the wrong language? This is a serious discussion sidetracked by trolls.
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces? Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent? This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
Three simple questions. Zero answers... Will Hefty prevail in finding the answers on the broken internet!? Find out on the next post. /commence epic outro!
What you wrote about is a non-problem: intended to work this way. So many people go away early because this isn't the game for them, that's all. God bless CCP, they made a game with a strong natural selection and only the patient and motivated people remain.
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Yolo
Yolo Corp xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
70
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Posted - 2013.10.23 02:49:00 -
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Some goals are far and hard, you need to think about the fun you can have on the way.
Cheap frigates and factionwarfare.
Unlike WOW, EVE does not start with endgame, it starts from day 1. - since 2003, bitches |

Sadatay Foont
Javalinas
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:27:00 -
[824] - Quote
I am 6 weeks old. I can run level 4s like a champ. Granted, I have friends to buy me ships, but skill-wise I am sound. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sadatay_Foont
So can we end this. The OP has died of old age. |

Mdes Ormand
Horizon Incorporation
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 21:57:00 -
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Sadatay Foont wrote:I am 6 weeks old. I can run level 4s like a champ. Granted, I have friends to buy me ships, but skill-wise I am sound. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sadatay_FoontSo can we end this. The OP has died of old age.
sorry but just curious how can you run level 4s with cruisers or destroyers or frigates. i havent done any L4s but i am really wondering how can you run them with frigate level 3 destroyer level 3 or cruiser level 3? Maybe it is time i should give it a try for L4s. There are obviously older players who can understand better but i cant imagine you are doing L4s. |

Sadatay Foont
Javalinas
0
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Posted - 2013.10.23 22:07:00 -
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Mdes Ormand wrote:Sadatay Foont wrote:I am 6 weeks old. I can run level 4s like a champ. Granted, I have friends to buy me ships, but skill-wise I am sound. http://eveboard.com/pilot/Sadatay_FoontSo can we end this. The OP has died of old age. sorry but just curious how can you run level 4s with cruisers or destroyers or frigates. i havent done any L4s but i am really wondering how can you run them with frigate level 3 destroyer level 3 or cruiser level 3? Maybe it is time i should give it a try for L4s. There are obviously older players who can understand better but i cant imagine you are doing L4s.
I use a Gila. Fits vary by mission of course. The backbone is T2 sentries with lights for frigs that get in.
Within the context of this stupid thread the point is that SP are not the issue. Experience is. CCP cannot fix that. |

Enochx Kaine
Cult of War University Cult of War
4
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Posted - 2013.10.24 21:19:00 -
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Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything.
I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. EDIT: Personal attack quote deleted - ISD Tyrozan I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo.
I only read the first page becasue....well I thats all I felt like reading...but this is true. I only have 3.5 million SP's and I am far from being usless. I can tackle.....I can run a rep boat and keep my peoples alive. I can fly a T1 battlecruiser jsut as good as anyone else. (well almost....I still need my armor up to level 5) and you know what keeps me here in the game? In a year I should be able to fly bombers, interdictors, or battleships (probably sooner than that) or maybe I will go T2 BC's orr who knows what. I am still planning, but far from being usless.
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OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
234
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:23:00 -
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It's been long established, and I mean literally for years, that the person who thinks that they can't do anything until they get 'x million SP' is exactly the person who needs to be weeded out. There are so many niches in this game that you can fill with low SP. The person who complains because they can't 'compete' with the old characters here isn't anyone I want to play with, that's for sure. |

Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
247
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Posted - 2013.10.25 09:46:00 -
[829] - Quote
OllieNorth wrote:the person who thinks that they can't do anything until they get 'x million SP' is exactly the person who needs to be weeded out
There's so much truth in that sentence that it bears quoting. +1
Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |

Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
288
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Posted - 2013.10.25 13:05:00 -
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It's just great when you're looking to recruit people, and they open the speech with *i just bought this 90mil SP toon, recruit me, you won't find anyone better!* - *Do you know what a logofftrap is?* - *No, but my carrier does 1200dps with sentries!*
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Buying a senoir cap pilot: 20bn. Experience: priceless. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=288823&find=unread - Looking for a handful of well-versed EU pilots. Especially interested in hyperactive dscanners. |
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Tibo Paralian
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
8
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:28:00 -
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Great turn out for yesterday's mass test, I wonder why. |

Lia Danna
Perkone Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2013.10.29 21:11:00 -
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Posting in this thread is the thing to do, so I'm doing it!
Seriously though, CCP have already been addressing this in the RIGHT way. Some of the changes they have made (specifically the t1 frig/dessie/cruiser buff) have definitely been geared toward making the game less SP intensive. Personally I don't see anything wrong with that.
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Fragem666
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.04 22:35:00 -
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Whine Whine Whine.
My main started in 2009 and had a hard time then quit in March 2011. Now I'm back with 20.4 million skill points. The key to having success as a new player is to stick within your means and SP. By the way I now fly a CNR with a mix of faction fit and T2 and I make about 150 million isk a day playing casually. |

Luis Alejandro Flores
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2013.11.05 19:50:00 -
[834] - Quote
EVE is fine as is. If you don't like it, please contract all of your belongings to me for safekeeping. Then biomass your character to spare yourself further humiliation. |

Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
25
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Posted - 2013.11.07 19:46:00 -
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It isn't the SP that is game breaking for newbies. I feel like ppl can be elite all they want but there is the learning cliff everyone knows about. You can beat on your chest about EvE being so hardcore we are all well endowed. But the fact remains that people that try EvE have to be impressed by the surroundings and the always present danger and relaxing space mixture, vs the sheer complexity of it all. We can all act hardcore but most of us were guided by other players to understand EvE, it should be done by a serious tutorial. Even the current is still presented in somewhat of a vacuum, doesn't take into consideration unrealistic expectancies. Like people figuring if a hull has no bonuses besides drones they can just fit lasers, there are so many things out there that can shatter someone's expectancy pattern and leave them feeling stranded on an island.
Maybe a way to filter all say: Capacitor related skills, all insert category of your wish. Or update the certificates to actually offer some meaning in this. I find myself telling people that played for months about capacitor importance when they fly Amarr. Stress the importance of such things, as well as things super important but completely left out. Like the 1 second server ticks and how they affect drone dps when giving attack commands. The most important things can be overlooked so easily and for a fresh toon this can be devastating. |

Herzav
Circulus Exousias
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:54:00 -
[836] - Quote
I will be talking from the point of view from a person that has never played eve before, has just heard about it not long ago.
I first signed up for the 14 day trial, wasn't very interested in it but I slowly got hooked in, put it this way, the SP system works in a similar way to the grinding in your today cliche MMORPGS., Don't expect to be able to fly all that shiny stuff in less than a few months, gear does help in a certain way but experience is worth a lot more.
While this char is less than 1 month old, It still shares the same problems as the newbies,however, you must remember that this is not your typical solo game, while you can certainly play solo, it's a lot harder than joining up with a group of people that will help you get set up in your first initial days/weeks/months.
TLDR:Join a corp, like you, I too used to think that not being in a corp wasn't a big deal, reality check, it HELPS A LOT. TLDRR: I do not mind the SP system, you want instant gratification? go play COD or WOW.
I am a highsec bear |

Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
29
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Posted - 2013.11.10 12:52:00 -
[837] - Quote
What you are asking for is dumbing down of the game. We do not want anything like this to happen.
I think it is probably good for new pilots to specialize their skills at the start. At the moment I would suggest looking at PI (Planetary Interaction) rather than any thoughts of mining. Prices for PI are very good atm compared to most mineral prices which are down the toilet.
Combine this with training of ships in a race of your choice for combat/missions/ganking and away you go. Have fun.  |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:40:00 -
[838] - Quote
Luis Alejandro Flores wrote:EVE is fine as is. If you don't like it, please contract all of your belongings to me for safekeeping. Then biomass your character to spare yourself further humiliation.
+1 to this. The only change would be to contract your stuff to me. I will make good use of that carrier you bought but were upset you couldn't fly  |

IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
235
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Posted - 2013.11.10 18:52:00 -
[839] - Quote
Herzav wrote: TLDR:Join a corp, like you, I too used to think that not being in a corp wasn't a big deal, reality check, it HELPS A LOT.
This is the best advice anyone can give. Eve is not a solo game and can't be played without the support of others. You can try to minimize this support but you're only hurting yourself.
As for the guy with no friends... If your RL friends quit Eve for one reason or another find a corp that has your interests and make in game friends. The guy that got me into Eve has the attention span of a five year old when it comes to games. He'll play a game, quit after a few weeks then find a new game. I didn't let this cause me to fail at Eve. This game isn't for everyone so if you don't like the basic concepts of the game find a game you do like. Eve will grow and change but concepts like SP and the "wild west" rules probably will always be the same. |

Thane Shimaya
Shimaya and Sons Extraction Co.
0
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Posted - 2013.11.12 16:39:00 -
[840] - Quote
The original poster sheds too many tears. The steep learning cliff has been a well established fact for many years, and any prospective player will learn that from reading even one review of the game. It is something that makes EVE unique and niche. We like it that way.
That being said, a player's amount of skill points is completely unrelated to the potential amount of fun to be had. When I first left the tutorial system, it felt just as it did when I graduated high school and got kicked out of home to make it on my own. Inexperienced, poor, unemployed, and facing a cold, harsh world that doesn't give a damn. And as in real life, I worked hard to survive, learned all that I could from friends and mentors, and I even had fun if you can believe it!
I started playing about two years ago, and I still consider myself poor and inexperienced, but I have had more fun with this game than almost any other I've gotten into. Skill points may have determined what ships I could fly and what modules I could equip, but from Day One I had a universe before me and I was determined to enjoy everything I could uncover in it.
EVE is not a game that will just give you anything or guide you by the hand like a child. Go play WoW if that interests you. If you want bigger and better things you sometimes have to *work* for it. That's something that makes EVE unique. We like it that way. Well. This changes things... |
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