I wish I could give it to you today. Not later.

Of course it'd have consequences on null mineral prices, so please accept instant null sec industry buff by signing up a disclaimer that you won't come whine in here about that 300 ISK pu Zydrine and 1k pu Megacyte.

Our nullsec mining backbone...

..noooo

Hey guys the 'tyrannis is a pvp expansion' guy thinks if we fix nullsec industry, it'll hurt the extremely lucrative world of high-end min mining so we shouldn't do it. Good stuff.

Anyways, back to real discussion, the solution is to rebalance industrial capacity of all regions (except for perhaps lowsec since they don't seem particularly interested in empire building) around their respective ship and good consumption levels.

Null Sec residents, especially those in leadership positions within large alliances, need to take a long look in the mirror and accept the blame for the state null sec finds itself.

They point fingers at high sec, they point fingers at CCP but they never, never, never take responsibility for the way they made their sand castle in this sand box. It's cowardly .

Null Sec care bears: HTFU and change your space into what you want it to be.

Stop the crying.

Yes, I want to make the outpost have more sl- wait no.

I want to put up more outpo-- wait, one per system.

Filled up all the systems.

Welp.

To have ANY chance of getting anything you want, you have to first accept that CCP is a business and exists to make a profit.

You need to start with the basic economic reality that high sec must be safe and profitable enough that carebears will not only play, but can generate enough ISK that they can buy PLEX from other players that would rather do other things than grind ISK, and are willing to fund other peoples' subscriptions to grind the ISK for them.

the profitability of these null systems does no, in general, equate to an equivalent increase in the profits of the residents, just an increase in their corp takes to pay their rent.

They point fingers at high sec, they point fingers at CCP but they never, never, never take responsibility for the way they made their sand castle in this sand box. It's cowardly .

And i just said that should be the case .Beter minerals , better ratting , plexes , building your titans and offcourse that o so precious technetium.Null reward should be bigger and that should be obvious.

So , that cleared up and keeping in mind what i said above that industry works as explained , why should null have bigger industry then empire?Or is it just simply the ' We wanna have it all on our side of the sandbox' mentality?Because as usuall that impression is pounding hard on the door at the moment.

Null's reward is bigger, substantially bigger than the rest of Eve. The rest of New Eden can't help it if you're giving all your moongoo profit to-

Correct, and that involves accepting that CCP's carebear catering, PvE expansions are considered failures while PvP iteration and emergent content encouraging expansions have put EVE's sub count back in the upswing. CCP's official statements lean towards heavily encouraging 2013 as a year for helping 'emergent content'. Putting a proportional amount of industry where majority of emergent content happens (nullsec) seems entirely within that framework.

The relevant party in this scenario are the players that actually buy PLEX - without their injection of cash into the game. What do people buy PLEX for? I imagine the heavy majority is to engage in PvP without PvE, as you say. So let's help EVE's financial status by ignoring isk farming non-entities and cater to the customers pouring cash into the game. Makes sense.


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Only children make moral judgements when considering proven best pratices within the limitations of game mechanics.

CCP has slowly changed high sec and made it a place were one can live and play and make a living over the years. The game has grown exponentially over the years.

Correlation? Why yes, yes there is....

You really should look in the mirror then.

Correct, and that involves accepting that CCP's carebear catering, PvE expansions are considered failures while PvP iteration and emergent content encouraging expansions have put EVE's sub count back in the upswing. CCP's official statements lean towards heavily encouraging 2013 as a year for helping 'emergent content'. Putting a proportional amount of industry where majority of emergent content happens (nullsec) seems entirely within that framework.

The relevant party in this scenario are the players that actually buy PLEX - without their injection of cash into the game. What do people buy PLEX for? I imagine the heavy majority is to engage in PvP without PvE, as you say. So let's help EVE's financial status by ignoring isk farming non-entities and cater to the customers pouring cash into the game. Makes sense.

Null's reward is bigger, substantially bigger than the rest of Eve. The rest of New Eden can't help it if you're giving all your moongoo profit to your alliance leaving your individual players with a pat on the back telling them "at'ta boy!"and sht in both hands.

If null was handed everything, the rest of New Eden laid waste, those alliances who you've handed the chains to the dog collars around your corps' necks would still want more from you and you'd still be left with figuring out how to improve null by taking more from an empty Hisec.

Was this some sort of attempt at a comeback?

Only children make moral judgements when considering proven best pratices within the limitations of game mechanics.

If I didn't know any better and I just read that I would presume all of Null was just one alliance with all of the moongoo.

That is the problem in this discussion so many people are worried about the goons, what about people who are not in Goonswarm?

Proven best practices within game mechanics... have a gazillion friends with ubber powerful fleets to crush anyone. Control vast areas of sov null space... then charge rent for solar systems based on the potential profitability of the system.

When these rents cause null to be less profitable than high sec, come to the forums and blame it all on high sec. Then, put your support behind candidates that will push for high sec nerfs... which will never happen since CCP's objectives are different from yours.

Making friends with the NPCs in highsec is much better.

Making friends with the NPCs in highsec is much better.

Null's reward is bigger, substantially bigger than the rest of Eve. The rest of New Eden can't help it if you're giving all your moongoo profit to your alliance leaving your individual players with a pat on the back telling them "at'ta boy!"and sht in both hands.

If null was handed everything, the rest of New Eden laid waste, those alliances who you've handed the chains to the dog collars around your corps' necks would still want more from you and you'd still be left with figuring out how to improve null by taking more from an empty Hisec.

I could not agree more. No stress. More profitable. Let's me play the game the way I enjoy playing it.... Without which, I won't play. I know. I've seen me quit this game a couple times now.

Did your unsubs help push CCP toward a greater realization that safety in highsec is of paramount importance to the continuing health of EVE Online (which is dying)?

And who is asking for releases that focus on improving life for carebears. All I'm saying is that if a release focuses on making it easir to f' with carebears, subscriptions will plummet. If a nerf is made to high sec that makes it difficult or impossible for carebears to get enough ISK to fund ships, subscriptions will plummet.

BOTH parties are equally relevant in this synergistic relationship. If people that want to grind ISK to buy PLEX to fund their accounts, can't get that ISK, then there is no one for the PLEX seller (buyer with RW money) to sell to, and then he won't buy it with real in the first place.

That is, of course, you really want to turn it into pay-to-win where you just buy ISK, instead of paying to fund the account of the person that will grind the ISK for you

Next thing you know... who needs those miners and manufactures anyway. Just make it a micro-transaction to buy a ship from CCP, and poof, ship suddenly exists from nothing.

Proven best practices within game mechanics... have a gazillion friends with ubber powerful fleets to crush anyone. Control vast areas of sov null space... then charge rent for solar systems based on the potential profitability of the system.

When these rents cause null to be less profitable than high sec, come to the forums and blame it all on high sec. Then, put your support behind CSM candidates that will push for high sec nerfs... which will never happen since CCP's objectives are different from yours.

Right, because sov null is centered around structures with large EHP with large gaps of time to amass reinforcements, it is proven best practice to send as many guys as you can at the structure at the set time.
Renting is proven best practice because free markets and industry are not viable in a primary resource extraction economy, so fees are charged for access to the resource (in lieu of time spent in fleets). Encouraging a null secondary economic zone fixes this. Fixing the null industry problem changes the conclusion that renting is proven best practice.