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Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:29:00 -
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Antir wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec.
This is the naive view from those backing the null sec blob alliances rhetoric and spin. A buff to income in null sec is not going into the wallets of individuals seeking more wealth in null sec but instead into the wallets of the large blue null sec care bear alliances. There is already more revenue generates in null sec than there is in high sec. The null bears get a win win. They earn more ISK on top of the, already gamewide high, revenue they enjoy currently and get to pop "noobs" trying to branch out in search of the isk that was taken from the revenue pools were they currently play. Just say no to this type of self centered rhetoric and spin. A nerf to high sec and a buff to null isn't in the best interests of the game....but it sure is in the interest of the richest minority and their care bear null sec playgrounds. You are dumb the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine in high sec but they would like the opportunity to do that in 0.0. I used to run an industrial pos in delve but the considerable effort was not offset by how much easier and cheaper it was and is to import from empire.
Oh no! The null sec care bear from Goonswarm called me "dumb". The horror....and irony.
Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire
Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space
Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President*
Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1873
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:33:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec. Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry. This, I can get on board with. Approved. This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec.
Well then would you care to explain my interest in it?
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence
CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault
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EI Digin
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
589
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:34:00 -
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GOON....... grrrrrrrrrrr |
Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1692
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:35:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Oh no! The null sec care bear from Goonswarm called me "dumb". The horror....and irony.
'You called me dumb but it is in fact you that is dumb' is not actually irony, despite what listening to all those Alanis Morrisette records may have taught you.
Titans were never meant to be "cost effective", its a huge ****.-á- CCP Oveur, 2006
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation
RAZOR Alliance
4370
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:40:00 -
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Sariah Kion wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec. Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry. This, I can get on board with. Approved. This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec. To have them trying to cater their argument in such a way to make it seem like it benefits the individuals or small corps looking to make isk in null sec is pure hogwash. This is about the rich blobs getting more wealthy and making their "mortal enemy" the high sec industrialist take a hit. It has nothing to do with some benevolent stance in the name of balance or fairness.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
Malcanis for CSM 8
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Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis Dragonaors
67
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:43:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
Thank you for clarifying. And here you had us all confused with your previous posts on this topic.
Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP
Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3548
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Posted - 2013.03.11 22:46:00 -
[937] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec. Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry. This, I can get on board with. Approved. This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec. To have them trying to cater their argument in such a way to make it seem like it benefits the individuals or small corps looking to make isk in null sec is pure hogwash. This is about the rich blobs getting more wealthy and making their "mortal enemy" the high sec industrialist take a hit. It has nothing to do with some benevolent stance in the name of balance or fairness. I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
Damn powerful personal agenda.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Tesal
235
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:09:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
You posted that 3 times.
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Tesal
235
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:10:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF MY PERSONAL AGENDA!
You posted that 3 times.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1870
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:32:00 -
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Please post civilly and constructively, thanks!
ISD Suvetar
Captain
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department |
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CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
2227
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:42:00 -
[941] - Quote
I have removed some spamming from this thread.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3548
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:43:00 -
[942] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Sariah Kion wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Risk avoidance has something to do with why Hi-sec will continue to fill up even if Null sec industry is fixed.
As the playerbase grows there will always be some who just want to mine, run missions ect with little to no risk.
But as to Null it is not Risk avoidance but the profitability of risk that is involved. At the moment it is not profitable, as soon as you include the additional risk you notice that the venture is not profitable.
Making POSs more capable of refining and leveling the cost per slot per hr will do much to help balance this additional risk. Adding value to spodmium will also help balance this risk.
The whole point of this is to help offset the risk involved in more dangerous parts of space to give people the options of doing Industry in places other than hi-sec. Finally. At least someone gets it. Thank you for your non-drama queen response that actually makes sense for a buff to null industry. This, I can get on board with. Approved. This proposal is only in the interests of the great blue blob that owns null sec. Well then would you care to explain my interest in it?
Because you're a deep cover GSF forums infiltration agent.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:44:00 -
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Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine
/thread |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3548
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:46:00 -
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Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread
Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story.
Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
524
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:51:00 -
[945] - Quote
Personally, I would like for industry to be viable, not just on large, but also on smaller scale for nullsec, so the individual indy can go there and set up shop, supplying the local market with their needs and wishes.
Not an alliance level massive undertaking, but just the little guy who wants more from Eve than the everyday easy humdrum of freightering goods around, and firing up lines in high sec.
Once small scale industry like this, with a turnover of say 5-10B a month is viable in null, I know where I will be.
Hint: It's not in highsec.
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Antir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.03.11 23:51:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story. Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all.
Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. |
Tesal
235
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:08:00 -
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Antir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story. Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all. Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.
Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null?
Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3549
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:13:00 -
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Antir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story. Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all. Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.
We have a delicious blue donut, after all.
I wonder how those ratters down in delve are enjoying it...
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Sariah Kion
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
209
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:18:00 -
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Tesal wrote:Antir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story. Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all. Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null? Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null?
They do not like to answer the tough questions. Dont expect an answer or reply outside of their usual juvenile asshatery.
Librarian and Exotic Dancer Extraordinaire
Champion of the Working Men and Women of Empire Space
Anti-Null Sec Opium Den Movement *President*
Not the woman high sec wants but the Woman high sec needs.
A modern girl for a modern world. |
EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
406
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:20:00 -
[950] - Quote
Tesal wrote:Antir wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Mayhaw Morgan wrote:Antir wrote:the people who this buff will help are currently making isk just fine /thread Yeah, they're doing industry in highsec. No problem at all, end of story. Might as well give highsec some more of those delicious cheap slots, it only helps the game after all. Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null? Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null?
high risk: pos users
medium risk: outpost/conq station users
lowest risk: npc station users |
Kane Alvo
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry
Templis Dragonaors
69
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:24:00 -
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Antir wrote:Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk.
1) Open contacts.
2) Scroll through large list of blue.
3) Remove blue.
4) Congratulations, you just added conflict drivers in null sec.
5) Undock. Assets are now at risk.
Caldari Militia -áGÿ£GÿàGÿP
Psychotic Monk for CSM8 |
Antir
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:26:00 -
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Kane Alvo wrote:Antir wrote:Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. 1) Open contacts. 2) Scroll through large list of blue. 3) Remove blue. 4) Congratulations, you just added conflict drivers in null sec. 5) Undock. Assets are now at risk.
I don't think you understand what a conflict driver is. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3549
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Posted - 2013.03.12 00:33:00 -
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Antir wrote:Kane Alvo wrote:Antir wrote:Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. 1) Open contacts. 2) Scroll through large list of blue. 3) Remove blue. 4) Congratulations, you just added conflict drivers in null sec. 5) Undock. Assets are now at risk. I don't think you understand what a conflict driver is.
Sorry, but the Commissariat tells me who is blue, it isn't something on my end.
I am a nullsec zealot. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1882
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Posted - 2013.03.12 01:17:00 -
[954] - Quote
Kane Alvo wrote:Antir wrote:Yep there is no need for more conflict drivers in null sec or more people putting assests at risk. 1) Open contacts. 2) Scroll through large list of blue. 3) Remove blue. 4) Congratulations, you just added conflict drivers in null sec. 5) Undock. Assets are now at risk.
But why would any one do that when the likely losses are greater than the likely profits?
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence
CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
3945
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:01:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:
high risk: pos users
medium risk: outpost/conq station users
lowest risk: npc station users
NPC nullsec users face a lot of risk.
As -10 to you, I have been to 2 of your own stations (one of which, with a man-sex related name  ) and found nobody.
I have been a lot of times to NPC null stations and often found all sorts of nasties, double bubbles, carriers doing station games and much more.
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Tesal
235
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:12:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:Tesal wrote:
Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null?
Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null?
high risk: pos users medium risk: outpost/conq station users lowest risk: npc station users
Nice dodge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1883
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:19:00 -
[957] - Quote
Tesal wrote:EvilweaselSA wrote:Tesal wrote:
Who will have their assets at high risk under the new industry scheme in null?
Who will have their assets at low risk under the new industry scheme in null?
high risk: pos users medium risk: outpost/conq station users lowest risk: npc station users Nice dodge.
Ok I am lost, how is that a dodge. Maybe I just need more coffee
We all thought CSM 6 was a war crime with it's massive Null Presence
CSM7 topped it by selling out our Council to CCP, don't let it happen again. Vote or next time Incarna is your fault
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 |
Coal Porter
Naturaly Selected
1
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:28:00 -
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"Should Null industry > High sec industry?"
No of course not. What kind of re..cursive thinker believes that industry in a war zone should be more profitable than industry in a Non-war zone?
Lockhead Martin doesn't, and they have been building stuff for the war machine for quite some time now. They must be morons who don't recognize how Risk vs Reward should work.
Hummer didn't build Hummers in Bosnia, never did, never will till it becomes a peaceful place where employees can commute to work safely because it would be cost prohibitive to provide an armored hummer to each employee just so they could arrive at work alive...and no guarantee even then with land mines and all.
Boeing (bunch of ***** carebears) thinks it would be insane to build an aircraft factory in Afghanistan (null sec). Suppose a regime (SOV) change occurred in the middle of a run of Bombers ( Ok, no one is building dreads or carriers in HS :P ...insert relevant Eve product)...that would be a HUGE loss to a RL (EVE) corporation, even one that size.
There are no tank manufacturers building tanks in war zones...yet think of the shipping costs they would save with all that heavy product...the Retards!!! Oh wait...they sell their products to Military Reps in Safe Land, and the Military hauls their new shineys to the war zone themselves in C5 Galaxies (Jump Freighters) designed especially for that purpose... Just like in EVE.
Someone way way back in this thread mentioned that the Null sec industry whine is based on a false premise.
"Risk should equal Reward" is insane, or everyone would be doing it, and it would not be risky. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7039
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:32:00 -
[959] - Quote
Coal Porter wrote:"Should Null industry > High sec industry?"
No of course not. What kind of re..cursive thinker believes that industry in a war zone should be more profitable than industry in a Non-war zone?
Lockhead Martin doesn't, and they have been building stuff for the war machine for quite some time now. They must be morons who don't recognize how Risk vs Reward should work.
Hummer didn't build Hummers in Bosnia, never did, never will till it becomes a peaceful place where employees can commute to work safely because it would be cost prohibitive to provide an armored hummer to each employee just so they could arrive at work alive...and no guarantee even then with land mines and all.
Boeing (bunch of ***** carebears) thinks it would be insane to build an aircraft factory in Afghanistan (null sec). Suppose a regime (SOV) change occurred in the middle of a run of Bombers (Dreadnaughts)...that would be a HUGE loss to a RL (EVE) corporation, even one that size.
There are no tank manufacturers building tanks in war zones...yet think of the shipping costs they would save with all that heavy product...the Retards!!! Oh wait...they sell their products to Military Reps in Safe Land, and the Military hauls their new shineys to the war zone themselves in C5 Galaxies (Jump Freighters) designed especially for that purpose... Just like in EVE.
Someone way way back in this thread mentioned that the Null sec industry whine is based on a false premise.
"Risk should equal Reward" is insane, or everyone would be doing it, and it would not be risky.
for the sake of realism, perhaps you should be paying a 35% tax in hisec, without the ability to evade it with a 0% personal corp
since you know it's an infrastructure-heavy protected area
since you love realism i'm sure you'll be behind this idea 100%
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Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
7039
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Posted - 2013.03.12 02:35:00 -
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also realistically if I ran a factory and allowed people to use it i wouldn't let them use it for free or for the equivalent of a few cents to use my equipment for a full month
want me to keep going down the "realism" rabbit hole or are you only going to preach "realism" when it suits you
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