"Warp to zero autopilot? You can do that manually by warping to zero"

m8

And you are happy to run for CSM pushing data that has all been obtained through officially banned means?

Isn't that a bit laughable?

What's the position on gaming keyboards with macro-capabilities, such as the Logitech G15? Its driver inherently supports some level of user-initiated automation. (in short, do I need to look for a new keyboard? :))

And how will you tell the difference between an EVEMON user that you are 'not looking for' and an evil botter?

There is no difference. It is totally unenforceable. So why ban it?

I want to clarify that the cache scraping ban isn't new. If you read the EULA, this isn't a new thing. It has never been allowed by the EULA.

In regards to enforcement, we don't have plans. It's not at the top of our to-do list. It's simply a case of while it not being allowed by our EULA, it's at our discretion whether or not the effort to enforce it is worth it or not. Right now, we're focused on botting, RMT, client modification that impact other players.

I want to clarify that the cache scraping ban isn't new. If you read the EULA, this isn't a new thing. It has never been allowed by the EULA.

In regards to enforcement, we don't have plans. It's not at the top of our to-do list. It's simply a case of while it not being allowed by our EULA, it's at our discretion whether or not the effort to enforce it is worth it or not. Right now, we're focused on botting, RMT, client modification that impact other players.

This ^^ needs an answer.

Sorry but that is rubbish.

The EULA has always been completely vague. The nearest we have had previously was that cache scraping was legal.

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=734561&page=1#9

We have CCP Sreegs' *opinion* that he thought it should be illegal.

You have just spelt out in plain language that it is illegal. This is the first time you have done this.

In regards to enforcement, we don't have plans. It's not at the top of our to-do list. It's simply a case of while it not being allowed by our EULA, it's at our discretion whether or not the effort to enforce it is worth it or not. Right now, we're focused on botting, RMT, client modification that impact other players.

We recognize that some players have engaged in cache scraping in the past, and we want to be clear this practice is not permitted. That said, unless there is an extreme case (i.e., cache scraping combined with other EULA violations), we will not penalize players who have engaged in this practice prior to 15 April 2013. Now that we have made our intent and policy clear, we may, in our sole discretion, deliver appropriate penalties for players that engage in cache scraping after 15 April 2013 (including temporary or permanent bans). In addition, we also may consider eliminating the cache to eliminate this practice and for performance reasons.

Hell, let's take this further. On one hand, in the devblog you state that you'll never approve any piece of 3rd party software, meanwhile individual CCP staff are stating that people won't get banned for using EveMon - surely that's an endorsement of a particular piece of 3rd party software?

Do you think people should be banned for using EveMon?

Do you think people should be banned for using EveMon?

Do you think people should be banned for using EveMon?

Do you think people should be banned for using EveMon?

The EULA has always been completely vague. The nearest we have had previously was that cache scraping was legal.

Do you think they should be banned for using isboxer?

All EULAs are vague, on purpose. Why? Because they are written to allow the first party to cover all eventualities and do whatever they want with you. The EULA also makes it clear that CCP can ban you for whatever reasons they feel like, should it come to that.

A dev saying that something is okay or another dev saying something should be okay to do doesn't actually void the agreement you've accepted which states that doing so is not okay. The EULA is written by lawyers to protect the company, and random members of staff can't alter its clauses.

What they can do is opt to enforce or not enforce the clauses on a case-by-case basis, which CCP's security staff does. They could just as easily take a blanket approach to the TOS and EULA and enforce it by the letter, which wouldn't just ban everybody using EVEMON but also everybody who's ever used Triexporter to play around with EVE's 3D models, textures, or fonts. But they haven't, because they value these things in the community and don't consider you a bad person. CCP has made an effort to separate botters from other people who violate the EULA, which is more than you can expect from most companies.

"Is this in violation of the EULA" and "Will I get banned for this" are two completely different questions.

Trust me, we have no interest in banning people unless they are doing something that hurts the game.

This gives them the flexibility to deal with software designed to circumvent the game rules without providing loop holes in their enforcement policy that could be exploited.

This isn't a difficult concept folks.

"Is this in violation of the EULA" and "Will I get banned for this" are two completely different questions.

Way to over react people.

This clarification closes a loop hole and gives CCP another tool to use against bots and cheats of various types.

YES, cache scraping is illegal... and if you use cache scraping for botting purposes they reserve the right to shut you down for it.

If you are using cache scraping purely for informational or utility purposes (meaning not to bot or otherwise cheat) then they excercise their right to NOT bust you for it.

This gives them the flexibility to deal with software designed to circumvent the game rules without providing loop holes in their enforcement policy that could be exploited.

This isn't a difficult concept folks.

If you aren't cheating or botting with your cache scraping software they aren't going to ban you, but if the software is modified so as to cross that line they reserve the right to come after you at any time.

Until Crest is fully functional this is actually the smartest way to handle things. It allows them to deal with cheats and bots when necessary without being hamstrung to the point they have to disallow software that is genuinely handy.

Now calm down.