All of which is facilitated nicely by the date, time and name of the person paying you tax as recorded in the wallet transaction.

This whole idea is so dumb I'm honestly wondernig if its some kind of joke or something. If my interns came to me with this proposal, that has been comprehensively blown to shreds as illogical, uneccessary and likely to cost ccp money, I'd have fired them.

Re-enforceable CO won't work anywhere in eve. Period.

> delay of flashy income will screw this
> anonymous tax income will screw this

The proposed change lacks economic incentive, corporate-level functionality, and managibile defenses

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2) Enable Corporate Hangers in the PCO, this would allow for the exchange of PI between characters remotely without moving it from the PCO

• This would reduce the number of Planets needing PCOs
• The PCO owning corp would reduce tax to 0% therefore saving 5% over current taxes or more if tax is raised at NPC COs

3) Do not remove the existing NPC COs

• Increase the taxes charged by NPC COs in LS/0.0/w-space to 500% or more
• Allow them to be attacked except in HS, giving them less HP than a CPO
• Increase the capacity of the Command Center planetary ejection system to enable tax evasion.

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6) The HP as stated is good, but the ability to mount ECM/Batteries must be included as well.

7) Currently only the following are used in other products:
---snip - list of current PI products---

All the other P2/P3/P4 products need to be used in non-POS recipes to justify/balance PI.
This needs to be addressed to increase demand and justify PCO defense risk.
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For PCOs to succeed, DO NOT IMPLEMENT WITHOUT items 2, 3, and 6

The relative low value of most CO won't matter compared to the relative high value of hilarious carebear tears.

Hey Cail, you know we'll need ten of these damnable structures in our hole and we won't benefit in any way, shape or form from having them? The only thing that will happen is our PI will be screwed while we try and get these over priced pieces of crap in there.

Sorry, this is FAIL !
EPIC FAIL !

Think of the economical impact!
Prices of PI stuff aren't high enough already??
And as said in the latest Price Indices report,
ice product prices and PI product prices are negatively correlated!
In other words, ice products will get cheap, bottom prices, and PI stuff expensive.
Btw, PI stuff isn't all for POS fuel, but also for T2 production. I don't wanna think about the price risings there...

The BPO only available through CONCORD LP shops or Faction Warfare...
Another FAIL !!
Who gets CONCORD LPs? Those who do incursions.
PI is for industrials !! They don't run incursions !!! And they don't do faction warfare either !!
Industrials don't / can't fly combat ships !! So how do you want us to defend our custom offices ??!!

Oh! And another thing...
PI in hisec is already very time consuming, due to low resources on those hisec planets, and now you're going to double import/export taxes ??!!

Thanks alot! But this change will break PI even more, if not completely !!!

You have to consider the bigger picture: WH PI will be more cost effective than High Sec PI, that's pretty much a given. It will also be significantly less vulnerable to 'outside influence' than say a low sec / null PI set up. Less vulnerable also equals less expensive in the long term.

Accepting that PI materials increase in price (or at least are considerably more unstable) WH PI could prove to be quite lucrative.

C.

I need a hug.

What gives "the little guy" the right to fly his warp core stab fit hauler into a low sec system and milk the planets when he doesn't even live in that system, without paying for the privilege?

What gives the little guy the right? His/her ability outsmart and dodge a much larger hostile force out to get him/her that gives them the right. This change means however I will now simply be denied access to the planets and no amount of cleverness will save me. That seems wrong to me.

Ps. And if you are a i PI guy living in low sec, i think you overestimate how badly these pirates want to catch you. If they really wanted you dead, they would find your planets and wait buy the customs office when the see you log. it's that simple.

Seriously tho, i understand where you are coming from but i think it will be healthy for the eve economy. Like others have said, eve isn't about earning isk risk free, but the people willing to take a risk should be rewarded.

i also dont understand the massive amount of emo-rage on here... u can still launch stuff into space without going through the PCO, and it wont be taxed. plus if you're in someone elses space as a neut or worse... thats how u should be doing it anyway!

This demonstrates a lack of knowledge. Read previous threadnaught before posting. Launches are not a viable option. There are already pages of discussion on that alone. Try again.

That was uncalled for.

I think what the dev was trying to say was that high sec will still have customs offices to enable you to do PI without interacting with other players. If you want to do PI in null sec (potentially player owned space) where you can earn significantly more than people in high sec, then be prepared to have to interact with other players... you did know this is an MMO right?!

This PCO concept throws every risk reward equation right out the window under the assumptions that we'll all somehow play nice, people will be bothered to put these up, we'll actually see decent tax rates, and they won't be blown apart by bored gangs in week one.

The idea sounds great but has some fatal flaws.

I would liken it to funding free girls schools in some of the more 'restless' tribal regions of Afghanistan.
Free schools? Awesome, who doesn't like education?
Free schools for girls? Great idea. Traditionaly undereducated in that area. Only positives can come of it.

What could possibly go wrong?


What 'could' go wrong is your average low sec 'pirate' has the attention span and interest in industry of a gnat. I could count the time it will take until the PCO's are being reinforced in days, on one hand.

Tears > Proft, always. That is all. Assume you are planning for Mogadishu in this game and you won't go wrong. Some members of CCP definitely seem to have a 'peace in our time' and 'wouldn't it be nice if we could all just be logical and get along' attitude.

Disapointing news - we don't.

You have some cool ideas but why do you assume the larger corporation won't tolerate you? Do people hate money all of a sudden? On a serious note, do you actually think they are more likely to disallow you? We are operating under the assumption that most PCO owners will allow "neutral" at least for the extra dough.

If they indeed don't allow you, I would bet there will be wormholes that operate free for all COs for profit. At least that's what we hope.

You obviously don't know the player base very well. In 0.0 (aside from old providence style areas) these things will be set so no one but blues will be able to use them. Any POCO setup by a neut or red will be summarily destroyed. Just look at how stations are configured now, we COULD allow neuts to dock for a fee but it doesn't happen so money is not an incentive to make 0.0 folks allow anyone to use the POCO.

In lo sec if they are configured to allow everyone to use them, they will just become nice traps to get easy kills of haulers.