Should it matter if it should matter? Either the statement is true, or it is not. If it is true, then null alliances should (have) shut their tech moons down (years ago) .

I don't see how it could be true. 500 is, iirc, the max number of tech moons out there. 250k man hours for 500 tech moons = 500 hours per month per moon. So that statement would imply that fueling and stocking tech moons takes 17 hours a day, for each moon. That doesn't sound likely.

Surely someone has realized this? Why still make moon produts?

They require 24/7 security in the form of fleets of hundreds of ships.

They require 24/7 security in the form of fleets of hundreds of ships.

They require 24/7 security in the form of fleets of hundreds of ships.

So you mean people sit there 24/7 in local waiting for something to happen?

Yah, calling up a 200 player fleet to go deal with timers for a few hours each month is pretty standard as far as nullsec warfare goes.

Even something like OTEC only applies to OTEC members not taking each other moons. It has no real effect on upstarts sniping at OTEC or other moons. This stuff happen all the time. The Asakai incident was over a moon mining POS.

So aside from the basic POS maintainance that goes on, we do deploy (and reimburse) fleets that deal with moon taking and defending fairly often.

I'm confused. If moon goo is worthless why lose billions worth of ships just to defend them.

I'm confused. If moon goo is worthless why lose billions worth of ships just to defend them.

I have never seen an ice miner war on the same proportion.

Maybe because it's too vague and dispersed a target to go after, and because you can't target it in its entirety even if you wanted to.

I'm confused. If moon goo is worthless why lose billions worth of ships just to defend them.

I have never seen an ice miner war on the same proportion.

Although that would be interesting to see.

The post you quoted says nothing of the sort. Like literally not even something remotely perceivable as such.

I'm confused. If moon goo is worthless why lose billions worth of ships just to defend them.

I have never seen an ice miner war on the same proportion.

Although that would be interesting to see.

I can't remember the last time I put together a 500 man fleet to go ice mining.

I'm talking to you as a collective front as some of you have stated that moon goo makes just as much as ice mining per hour.

I mean if moons weren't valuable then why the effort?

Like others pointed out, moon goo isn't worthless.

Some moons are worth more than other though. Some are worth sending out huge fleets to take or defend.


And you don't see this with ice because ice belts in their current form are effectively limitless and the vast majority of the harvesting is done in highsec where warring over it is complicated. But is does happen (see; Gallente Ice Interdiction)

GǪand at no point did anyone say that moongoo was worthless. It was just something you made up.

No-one said they weren't valuable either GÇö again, you made it up. You should probably take this opportunity to look up the concept of a strawman argument and check out why it's not a very good thing to try to use.

You specifically said ice mining was just as profitable as moon harvesting.

I did not specifically say it was worthless.

So what I am getting from this is that moon goo is valuable and makes null a much richer place than it would without it. At least richer enough to spend hundreds of man hours and billions worth of ships?

"Comparative advantage" is improperly applied. Furthermore, the relative "economic profit" (look it up) of ice mining versus moonmining isn't in question. Nobody is complaining that moons should have more value to account for the hours spent.

Take a wild guess who would have control over those moons. Because it wouldn't be high sec industrialists.

I'm sorry. It is just that what people get from these threads is that people in Null claim moon mining isn't as valuable as other people make it out to be. If you are saying they are valuable and worth the effort, then I'll accept that answer.

But I thought GSF couldn't get into highsec! Clearly we should buff CONCORD.

"Comparative advantage" is improperly applied. Furthermore, the relative "economic profit" (look it up) of ice mining versus moonmining isn't in question. Nobody is complaining that moons should have more value to account for the hours spent.

LOL. Yeah, I didn't think that one out all the way.

Still, even THAT would be more "balance" than just null getting more null-sec slots.

It might also be a bit more INTERESTING.