For all of you crying about dsp removal, have you checked out that the starting % after first system sweep are still in the usual bands? what i have confirmed so far, based on 10 probstrengh dsp:

old new

0,20 10%
0,13 7%
0,10 5%
0,05 3%

I bet the rest is accordingly, just was not able to find such a signature in the 15min i spend discovering that.
If CCP changes that every ano/sig after first sweep is in the list (currently not working) it will be even easier then before, no more dsp needed.

For all of you crying about dsp removal, have you checked out that the starting % after first system sweep are still in the usual bands? what i have confirmed so far, based on 10 probstrengh dsp:

old new

0,20 10%
0,13 7%
0,10 5%
0,05 3%

I bet the rest is accordingly, just was not able to find such a signature in the 15min i spend discovering that.
If CCP changes that every ano/sig after first sweep is in the list (currently not working) it will be even easier then before, no more dsp needed.

many other things will become much harder now. Again, you are removing a useful item; why?


Also, it seems that in the name of making exploration more accessible you are indeed dumbing it down.

Annoyances and problem feedback from sisi's current scanning iteration:

1. I can no longer launch the 8th probe on sisi. Please fix. It just wont deploy the 8th probe.

Seven probes launched at once
Probe launchers can now only launch a maximum of seven probes. These probes are now launched all together. One click, launches all.

Is this a "whaaaa, you removed my exploit" post?

I'm pretty sure CCP never intended that the DSP's signal strength be a short-cut to knowing exactly what a sig is without actually scanning it down.

You're missing my point. I could give a crap about a worthless 5% change. I didn't train Astrometrics 5 for the bonuses. I trained it for the extra probe and ability to use DSP.

I'm not looking for SP either.

Is this a "whaaaa, you removed my exploit" post?

I'm pretty sure CCP never intended that the DSP's signal strength be a short-cut to knowing exactly what a sig is without actually scanning it down.

Please look at this well crafted and elegantly linked example of how you should "get away from spreadsheets in space."

...

Use a good ol' fashion 2D map.

Good news. I can confirm that cosmic signatures can still be identified by their signature. There is a clear pattern which is easily recognisable by anyone who knows what they are doing. I have confirmed this with my own tests on singularity, but I'll let people find it out the pattern for themselves. :)

You do this by locating the signature in space, as opposed to locating the signature on the scanning overview. A signature strength is displayed and can be correlated to the type of signature. This still only gives a rough indication of signature type, but is obviously essential for anyone who traverses wormholes regularly.

So at least there is one bit of good news. DSP scanning is still in the game, and now accessible to even newbies.

Personally I feel that a scripted version would be more popular than 3 separate modules

Very true. Already noted most of the patterns. The primary annoyance as far as I can tell is that the only way now is to scan around in space, hover over the sig, and manually note the strength. No listed result anywhere else.

As far as the scanning goes. The up changes will take getting used to but it's not the worst. Losing my 8 probe configurations are very frustrating.

Very true. Already noted most of the patterns. The primary annoyance as far as I can tell is that the only way now is to scan around in space, hover over the sig, and manually note the strength. No listed result anywhere else.

As far as the scanning goes. The up changes will take getting used to but it's not the worst. Losing my 8 probe configurations are very frustrating.

I hate you Paradox and not going to read the past 21 pages of hurr durr for other replies. I have used DSP's daily for the past 3 years and you will be changing my game play considerably.

Nothing I see in your post encourages better exploration, which is much needed, but continues to nerf it even further. If CCP does not like exploration, just remove it from the game altogether. Do not keep ******* us year after year.

Most of what I wanted to say on this has already been said by older and more experienced probers, but I'll repeat the main points just in case.

-8th probe. Please, it is the basis of many probing patterns that whoever devised these changes seems to be unaware of. You are removing a mechanic that is used by players a lot; why?

-DSPs. If you (CCP) think people use these to actually scan down sites and they can now be removed, you don't know anything about probing. They are useful in manners that the devs never envisioned and removing them will destroy some very nice mechanics that people came up with: overwatch, single probe checking, signature classification and many other things will become much harder now. Again, you are removing a useful item; why?


Also, it seems that in the name of making exploration more accessible you are indeed dumbing it down. Want to make it better and more fun for all involved? Hare is a list of changes that would be loved by most pilots, because they ADD to the game, instead of removing things we all use and even like:

-D-Scan: update the UI, it is stuck in the Pre-Cambrian era now. If the overview works in AUs, then why does the dscan work in kms? Why do I have to enter a number instead of having a slider between min and max range? This thing is an obvious target for a rework that will be loved by all.

-Probing interface: while the work done on it is nice, and it looks prettier, what it should be is more usable, not fancier. Copy-pastable list of results, 100% results staying between scanning sessions and/or jumps out of system and the like would make probing easier without turning it into "press A, press B, win!"

-Randomness: interference, both natural and player generated, has been suggested. Dare I suggest a system upgrade that makes all sigs harder to lock down? Or phenomena that would make signatures more difficult to find? I heard something about making illumination in a system dependant on distance to the star; how about making ships closer to the star harder to probe, because of all the electromagnetic radiation in their area?

-Counter-scanning: a ship communicating with probes should be vulnerable, because it's not isolated from the outside. When you cloak you lose your drones but not your probes, which is a bit weird. A mechanic that would make a probing ship scannable (even if it would have a VERY low sig strength, say 0.01 base) would be lovely, and would add interaction to the game.

-2nd probe launcher: just because I'm greedy and want to have a launcher filled with DSPs and another one with Core. I don't like realoading, as you can see.


In the end it boils down to adding features, not removing them in the name of simplicity. Sure, improve the UI, redo the mini-profession sites, give us an option to launch probes in formation. All that is nice, but removing things that are used just because the entry-level prober can't use them is a bad idea. Astrometrics V is a skill that puts serious scanners apart from casual ones without harming anyone; you don't need it to probe, but if you probe a lot, then it's worth the time. You are turning it into a pretty meaningless goal with these changes.