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erinomaisenvarma
Karjala Inc.
The Polaris Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:30:00 -
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So in nutshell you are:
1) Removing all the skill from probing
2) Making probing ridiculously easy
3) Boosting probe strengths -> even more faster & easier 100% hits
So instead of getting one good prober for the fleet I can go what ever idiot and probably he doesn't need to have even a proper probe ship and get good results fast.
About all these changes are bad. Probing is too damn easy already. Now you can do it so fast and effortlessly that opponent probably won't see the probes in the scan unless he spams it like maniac. |
Olari Vanderfall
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Illusion of Solitude
6
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:37:00 -
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Durzel wrote:The new probing system isn't without its faults and foibles, but it's not the apocalypse.It is worth noting also that there was a lot of "the sky is falling" posts about exploration being dumbed down the last time it was revamped.......
Completely different change with Apocrypha. It went from a random number generator to requiring skill at setting probes and arranging them. Most scanners find their setup and stick with it, so an automated method of doing this is great. Removing deeps is limiting a probers options. I'm fine if you're a basic prober and want to use the default layout, but if your profession is probing you want options. I'd love even more probe types for specialized situations which would allow for other probe arrangement such as in combat probing or even specific ship type.
Basically I want to see probing become more accessible but once you get into it you have multiple options. Not a one size fits all.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
46
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:39:00 -
[273] - Quote
erinomaisenvarma wrote:So in nutshell you are:
1) Removing all the skill from probing
2) Making probing ridiculously easy
3) Boosting probe strengths -> even more faster & easier 100% hits
So instead of getting one good prober for the fleet I can go what ever idiot and probably he doesn't need to have even a proper probe ship and get good results fast.
About all these changes are bad. Probing is too damn easy already. Now you can do it so fast and effortlessly that opponent probably won't see the probes in the scan unless he spams it like maniac.
after that, they could as well remove probes for signatures and makes em all 100% would be the same...
also, i tried to fit a thanny, but it is not possible on SISI
cap ships requires XL rigs now, but there are none seeded on market, hence it is not possible to test any capital ship.
please seed market with XL rigs (both T1 & T2) |
Jim Orland
Furyan Federation
Fade 2 Black
7
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:41:00 -
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Zetaomega333 wrote:So with the new scanning mods being midslots basically Gallente and Caldari as hands down the best scanning ships due to 5 midslots over the minmatar/amarr with 4. Is this going to change?
Yes, I'm sure they will redo all Minmatar and Amarr ships because you don't feel like cross-training racial frigates. |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
326
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:43:00 -
[275] - Quote
Can u give back the timer bar when i press analyze pls?
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Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
73
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:46:00 -
[276] - Quote
Olari Vanderfall wrote:There are 2 main points going on in this thread regarding deeps. One is the ability to drop a single deep and know what sigs are based on sig strength. The other is using them in a probe setup with combats.
I do think the drop 1 probe get sig strength is a bit gamey and could be addressed without removal of deeps.
My main issue is that the deeps are integral to any advanced probing technique and should not be removed unless there is a suitable replacement for this method. The reason for Astro 5 was 8 probes and deeps. If you wanted to be the best scanner this is what you trained. I didn't even think twice about the skill train because I love scanning and knew to be the best you needed it.
The issue with DSPs is wormholes. I agree, you don't need them for the occasional scan in hisec.
However, around 50%+ of the systems I come through I would have to scan 40+ sigs. Again 40. FOURTY. This takes some time.
By scanning a lot and experimenting, I came across the dsp - though I started with 8 sister DSPs, I soon came to the conclusion that one regular one is just enough. It helped me keeping an advantage over casual scanners, as scanning was merely all I did till now in eve.
The announced changes are therefore a raised middlefinger into my face (and surely the face of many other pilots) that used to skill stuff you can now replace by fitting three mods, giving you equal access to probe down all possible sigs without any true specialization. Now, more people scanning is not a problem, but wormholes being empty as **** regarding pvp, at least DSPs did allow us to quickly map the chain (what we practiced LONG time) and allowed us to master the interpretation of that excelsheet. There are a lot of oppurtunities where one jumps a wormhole and after the first scan result, can say how many wormholes, k-holes, worthy sites etc. are in there. This is not an exploit, but IMO the reward for doing this extensively along with some mindwork.
What CCP is doing right here, is nothing but setting people back to where they started - aka taking away from the game for us real scanners. Real scanners because there is a difference between scanning 10 radars or ~700 sigs and ~150 wormholes a month in average. I scan a lot, and I don't like my primary tool being deleted cause devs say 'eh, you don't need that anyway, look we gave you more colours.'
Now factoring in that just slapping three modules in the (atleast for pure probing chars) mostly unused mids on a toon with all III/IV will yield the same advantage as lvl 5 scanning skills is absurd.
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Unforgiven Storm
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
359
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:52:00 -
[277] - Quote
Brooks Puuntai wrote:He stated earlier they aren't reimbursing SP difference due to multiplier change.
WHAT?
Test 1, 2, 3... |
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
2
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Posted - 2013.05.09 13:58:00 -
[278] - Quote
Durzel wrote:...dropping a DSP and knowing what all the sigs are before you've actually gone any further in scanning was ever what CCP intended.
You never knew what all the sigs are, what are you talking about?
Durzel wrote:Did the skill ceiling come from knowledge of these undocumented variables - e.g. like signature sizes all being constant - or from actual scanning ability?
My edge came from using eight probes,setting them up in elaborate formations quickly, allowing for fast probing even in unbonused ships. DSP was a nice boon but not the deciding factor.
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Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Illusion of Solitude
48
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:01:00 -
[279] - Quote
In an attempt to not just whine about the changes and maybe try some constructive comments, here are my thoughts after giving the scanning interface a fair trial on sisi. Incidentally, is it just me or is there a real lack of things to scan on sisi?
- I like that I can drag all the probes without having to hold shift or alt.
- I dislike that I have to hold shift+alt to expand the probes distance from each other, alt should be enough.
- I was all excited about the ability to save my favourite scanning patterns. To find CCP have decided what my favourite scanning pattern is somewhat sucks. Part of the challenge should be learning and understanding what scanning actually is about.
- Please can I define my preferred probe scan range on launch?
- Please can I define my preferred probe distance from each other on launch?
- I use the scanning method mixing DSP with other probes. I don't really understand why my scanning style has been deemed undesirable and simply removed from the game. This is a personal choice in a game which is meant to be all about finding your own way of doing things.
- I like the ability to launch multiple probes at once but why am I forced to launch seven? If I only wanted to launch five in a single plane scanning pattern that should be supported.
- I would like the timer bar back for the scan. Feedback on how far along a scan is is useful, even if we're only talking six seconds.
I view scanning as one area of EVE where improving your real skills at scanning as well as training in-game makes a difference. This makes it a truly rewarding area of the game. All these changes remove that and make scanning just another "push button receive bacon" mechanism. |
Shadow Pool
Dabin Wax
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:07:00 -
[280] - Quote
Overall really nice changes. Except where you made it so you have to launch 7 probes.
NotifyYou need 7 charges to activate Expanded Probe Launcher II |
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Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
434
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:08:00 -
[281] - Quote
Unforgiven Storm wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:He stated earlier they aren't reimbursing SP difference due to multiplier change. WHAT?
There is no multiplier change.
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Feed Syndication
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:09:00 -
[282] - Quote
The two things i miss from the scanner window are the distance and the fact you cant copy paste it anymore. The latter is used to paste in google doscs so one (with other scanners) can quickly coordinate their scanning based on the ID in the first column. Can you at least put the copy paste option back in? |
Moth Eisig
The Trident Brotherhood
5
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:10:00 -
[283] - Quote
Mario delTorres wrote:The only reason to skill Astometrics to V is requirment for Jump Bridge Generation now?
It's very sad that combat probes no more, but I have another IDEA to make people with Atrometrics V smile.
Half the bonuses from the secondary scanning skills are being moved to Astrometrics, so Astrometrics V will be more important than ever.
Unforgiven Storm wrote:Brooks Puuntai wrote:He stated earlier they aren't reimbursing SP difference due to multiplier change. WHAT?
AFAIK The bonus from the skills are changing (being moved to astrometrics), not the training multiplier. No need for reimubursement |
Borgh Brainbasher
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:12:00 -
[284] - Quote
edit: nevermind. you should look at the "launchergroup"attribute of moon probes though. |
Belautis
Millard Innovation Inc
The 20 Minuters
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:14:00 -
[285] - Quote
I want to be able to launch less than 7 probes and set my own formation. I always did perfectly well with 5, I don't see what that should change. Also this would mean that if you would loose a probe for whatever reason and you have less than 7, you can't scan at all, which is kinda dumb. |
T Lyran
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company
Illusion of Solitude
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:15:00 -
[286] - Quote
Ok here is what should happen, in my opinion.
Add the ability to use scripts with probe launchers. Scripts have 5 different meta levels, each meta level requires one level of Astrometrics each.
Scripts have the ability to contain within them one custom probe arrangement per meta level. So a level 1 script can have 1 probe arrangement saved into it, while the meta 5 script can have 5 probe arrangements saved.
The probe arrangements are saved by arranging probes in space then right clicking in your probe launcher with the script equipped and saying "save current arrangement to script" with a dialogue box showing the current saved arrangements and letting you type in a name for the new one.
The scripts can be freely traded, thus allowing you to create some custom arrangements then sell them or share with corpmates, etc.
The arrangements themselves are dead simple. If we are stuck with 7 probes, then really the arrangement just has 7 vectors + 7 scalars. The vectors are the relative directions from the launching ship to the default location, and the 7 scalars are the default relative distance along those vectors. So for the normal diamond formation, the 7 vectors would be:
+x,-x
+y,-y
+z,-z
0 (the null vector, or any vector really)
and the 7 scalars would be:
1,1
1,1
1,1
0
If you have different formations for combat probes or whatever you're free to save those instead (as long as you have a high enough level script and astrometrics training).
Now when you launch probes, you can either get the default formation (all vectors 0, all scalars 0) or choose a preset formation from those saved in your script.
This allows play skill levels to matter (# of saved presets), allows player talent to level (fully customizable probe arrangement) and has high ease of use. |
Petra Hakaari
Stalking Wolfpack
40
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:28:00 -
[287] - Quote
Astrometrics:
This is now a starting skill, all new characters receive this at Level 1
Does not alter ability to launch probes, all players can now launch 7 probes.
Added +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level
Then Astrometric Acquisition, Astrometric Pinpointing and Astrometric Rangefinding will cease to exist?
Should i assume ill have the SP refunded? |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
366
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:32:00 -
[288] - Quote
Petra Hakaari wrote:Astrometrics:
This is now a starting skill, all new characters receive this at Level 1
Does not alter ability to launch probes, all players can now launch 7 probes.
Added +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level
Then Astrometric Acquisition, Astrometric Pinpointing and Astrometric Rangefinding will cease to exist?
Should i assume ill have the SP refunded?
How did you even come to that? They will add to Astrometrics |
Haulie Berry
615
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:37:00 -
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Petra Hakaari wrote:Astrometrics:
This is now a starting skill, all new characters receive this at Level 1
Does not alter ability to launch probes, all players can now launch 7 probes.
Added +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level
Then Astrometric Acquisition, Astrometric Pinpointing and Astrometric Rangefinding will cease to exist?
Should i assume ill have the SP refunded?
...what? I... what? Did you even read that?
Before patch:
Astrometrics: Increases number of probes allowed, allows use of DSP @ 5.
Rangefinding: +10% scan str per level
Pinpointing: -10% deviation per level
Acquisition: -10% time per level.
After patch:
Astrometrics: +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level
Rangefinding: +5% scan str per level
Pinpointing: -5% deviation per level
Acquisition: -5% time per level.
This comes out to a very slight buff to probe strength (1.25*1.25 = 1.5625 > 1.5) and a very slight nerf to deviation and scan time.
The skills are not being removed. The skills' training ranks are not being changed. The bonus they provide IS being changed. I would assume you will also need the appropriate skill at 5 to use the T2 versions of the new modules (and, personally, I would be okay with it if they ALL required Astrometrics 5 in addition to the relevant skill). |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
435
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:41:00 -
[290] - Quote
People complaining specifically about the DSP removal have not understood the new system. DSPs are now in fact useless.
You want to look for new signatures? The new sensor overlay will show them even without any probes launched.
You want to sort sigs? You can do that almost as well with a combat probe, and with probing becoming extremely easy and fast there is really no need anyway. In a system with 40 sigs 20-30 of them will show their group on your first 8 AU scan.
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Omnathious Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
971
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:45:00 -
[291] - Quote
Thoughts on the new scanner.
The loss of the ability to launch a single probe is missed very much, please put it back in.
The loss of DSP is also missed (contrary to my views prior to using the new system) please put it back.
I like the group movements by default, but scaling the distance between probes should be just alt or user defined.
Please add the scan timer back it was useful.
Cannot comment of the new Data Site mini-game, as it did not work for me.
Please add 8 probes again.
Scanning is way to fast now and I mean way to fast.
Ideas For Drone Improvement
Repourpose Deep Space Scanner Probes |
Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
75
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:48:00 -
[292] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:People complaining specifically about the DSP removal have not understood the new system. DSPs are now in fact useless.
You want to look for new signatures? The new sensor overlay will show them even without any probes launched.
You want to sort sigs? You can do that almost as well with a combat probe, and with probing becoming extremely easy and fast there is really no need anyway. In a system with 40 sigs 20-30 of them will show their group on your first 8 AU scan.
I actually did try out the new system, and while being delighted that even my combat toon with astro II can probe down hard sigs with 7 probes, I'm sincerely unhappy that everything beyond the most basic scanning is deleted.
Again, it's not just the DSP, but the need for the DSP emerged from a well working logical scanprocess having distinct attributes that you can associate with your empirical/theoretical experience. So what they are doing is not
- old system getting tweaks and is now new system,
but
- old system consisted of basic (rookie) scanning and an advanced part. Scrap the advanced part.
It is like taking the finetuning window out of a racing simulator. You'll have a nice need for speed, but it's not the same. It looks good, but functionality suffers a lot.
Dumbing down is nice, removing essential parts cause devs don't know about the possibilities they created is a very bad step.
edit: again, removing the need for astro V (i.E. specialisation) to have the options of DSPs avaiable is not tweaking, it's called breaking things. Just imagine you would now only need med. autocannons I for your missioning battleship's Tech-2 guns. You'd say wtf for sure. |
Olari Vanderfall
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC.
Illusion of Solitude
8
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:50:00 -
[293] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:People complaining specifically about the DSP removal have not understood the new system. DSPs are now in fact useless.
You want to look for new signatures? The new sensor overlay will show them even without any probes launched.
You want to sort sigs? You can do that almost as well with a combat probe, and with probing becoming extremely easy and fast there is really no need anyway. In a system with 40 sigs 20-30 of them will show their group on your first 8 AU scan.
Exactly. The ability to do any advanced probing techniques are gone. Push buttan, get sigs.
Probers used skill to find them before, now any scrub can do it. Why not just have 1 module you fit on your combat ship, press buttan, kill target. Same thing.
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Lloyd Roses
Risk-Averse
PLEASE NOT VIOLENCE OUR BOATS
75
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:52:00 -
[294] - Quote
Olari Vanderfall wrote:Terrorfrodo wrote:People complaining specifically about the DSP removal have not understood the new system. DSPs are now in fact useless.
You want to look for new signatures? The new sensor overlay will show them even without any probes launched.
You want to sort sigs? You can do that almost as well with a combat probe, and with probing becoming extremely easy and fast there is really no need anyway. In a system with 40 sigs 20-30 of them will show their group on your first 8 AU scan. Exactly. The ability to do any advanced probing techniques are gone. Push buttan, get sigs. Probers used skill to find them before, now any scrub can do it. Why not just have 1 module you fit on your combat ship, press buttan, kill target. Same thing.
If CCP would just go one step further, you'd only press a button and get all the results while making coffee. Please, we don't need scanning, just give us the results already instead of presenting us minigames a la pacman. |
TZeer
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
14
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Posted - 2013.05.09 14:52:00 -
[295] - Quote
Clap.....clap.....clap.....clap
Seriously. All this work, and you still can't fix the 5 sec scan time it take to get a position on ships coming in at range.
How long has it been? 2-3 years now? And still you have your heads up your ...... when it comes to long range gameplay.
What's funny is that every Caldari BS you are working on has a bonus to fight at range. Scorpion, long range ecm, Raven, 200km+ cruisemissiles, Rokh, 200km Rail guns.
Apoc
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+7.5% to Large Energy Turret optimal range
+7.5% Large Energy Turret tracking speed (replaced large energy turret cap use)
And now, with all the work you are putting into probing, you just ignore the possibility to actually make those bonuses count.
Let's take the Raven for example, the slowest locking race in the game, with the weapon system that takes the longest time to reach target....
And it takes 5 sec to scan him down....
As I stated somewhere else, I was hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.... |
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Test Alliance Please Ignore
366
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:03:00 -
[296] - Quote
Right, as it stands now, this is a huge buff to PvE scanning, but a huge nerf to PvP scanning.
The DSP was made rendundant by the Sensor Overlay, kinda neutral on this change. It saves you a few seconds I guess.
Scanning PvE sites became a lot easier, to the point where you drop Probes, and just reposition/resize the entire group. Sites are scanned down really fast.(Scanned down sites seem to drop me in the middle of the sun for some reason :psyduck:)
For PvP, some of these changes are.... annoying to say at least. Being unable to sort results by distance is a huge blow to Bomber Wings, and other Combat Probers. I guess sniping ships will benefit greatly from this. The table we have on TQ might not look pretty, but it's functional. The one on SiSi, not so much.
The lack of the 8th probe is a blow, but we can live with that. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
185
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:05:00 -
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"Not easier, but more accessible. We are not trying to reduce the art of scanning down to a simple click, we are aiming to make scanning more accessible to those who want to use it, but still requires you to master the art."
The pre-set formations are good. The ability to launch multiple probes at once is good, though that should be a toggle. These are both examples of tedium. The negative aspect of this is that unless we fit into a specific pattern that you pre-determine, we are left out in the cold. That 8th probe was a reward for training Astrometrics to 5 and offered advantages to those who went through that effort beyond the mundane additional 5% improvement.
Astrometrics 5 should still reward the 8th probe. There should be a toggle for launching 7 or 8 probes, defaulted to 7 probes, which remembers your last choice.
While I will begrudgingly accept that automatically finding a new sig is good, it should be a toggle mode in the scanner, and require probes to be deployed: when you no longer wish to "pinpoint" sigs, you can switch to a Monitor mode that will scan the system for as long as you leave your probes out. Repeatedly pushing the scan button is an example of tedium, but just giving away the information for free is a step too far in the "accessibility" direction. You should have to set up for it and have a ship capable of using the information.
This change also pushes the game in the direction of more safety. When your own economist has been saying that more things need to explode, and the market is saying the same thing, this kind of feature is moving in the wrong direction. At least requiring a ship with probe launcher to automate the scans will differentiate between those who prepare and those who don't.
"The scan results are now displayed through a progress bar, instead of a table."
Major source of contention. This combines with the removal of Deep Space Probes, though from the way you guys approached the subject, you don't like how players have learned to use "real life" skills to determine what is what.
The ability to use real world people skills to differentiate yourself from someone else in this game used to be a major defining feature of EVE, and is something I would tell others when proselytizing EVE to them. "In most games, it doesn't matter how good of a player you are, everything is dependent on in-game skills. But EVE is different. In EVE, you can have the same in-game skills but still be leaps and bounds ahead of others if you have good personal skills and abilities." I fear that in the name of accessibility to new players you are beginning to destroy this defining characteristic of EVE.
"Probes now instantly recall on system jump or station dock"
This is both good and bad, and it would be nice to have a toggle for this: "Autorecall Probes [YES/no]". There are operational and strategic reasons one might want to leave probes out in system.
"You must lauch 7 probes, and have 7 probes in the launch to be able to launch probes. But you can recall select probes if you wish."
If we must launch 7 probes, and must have 7 probes in the launcher, why require probe ammo at all? Fold the probes into the launcher itself, and script it for Core vs Combat scans. If you're simplifying, go ahead and take away the complexity of Faction probes in non-Faction launchers.
"Reduced the per level modifier for Astrometrics Rangefinding, Astrometrics Acquisition and Astrometrics pinpointing by half."
I'm not an advocate for reimbursing skills that are still useful, but please understand that the change to Astrometrics Rangefinding is a major kick in the nuts for anyone who trained level 5.
"Celestial brackets will also no longer get in the way of trying to use the positioning arrows or the probe spheres."
"Double clicking a probe in the list will center the camera over the probe."
Awesome news. I don't know if this is a change from current, as I've never tried to center based on anything in the scan window, but the change to double-clicking to center on a target in space was frustrating for a while. The ability to do this from the scan window is awesome.
Along these lines, if you continue with the "everyone gets seven probes" concept, could you auto-rename the center probe to "Center"? Then if we want to center the window on the center probe, we know which one to click without annoyance. It's not hiding anything or preventing us from doing anything by not doing this, it's just tedious and annoying to identify each time.
Alternatively, allow us to rename a probe with a name that is saved as part of the custom formation. We can then anchor and center on that probe position each time. This will cover the case of using 8 probes as well.
"POS anchoring positioning arrows are now fixed size while zooming in/out with the camera"
Currently when anchoring POS modules, you absolutely must right-click on the positioning arrows to get the right-click menu; if you click the positioning box instead by accident, you get the regular in-space right-click manu. Could you guys look at making it possible to right-click the entire box to get the menu (yes, you could still use the Manage window)?
And can you make it possible to center the camera on the positioning box? This particular change might even make the quoted change redundant.
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Longdrinks
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
12
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:06:00 -
[298] - Quote
theres some kind of gay green light that comes on after i undock of jump a gate. How do i turn this off? |
Lord Xyon
Old Timers Guild Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:06:00 -
[299] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:People complaining specifically about the DSP removal have not understood the new system. DSPs are now in fact useless.
You want to look for new signatures? The new sensor overlay will show them even without any probes launched.
You want to sort sigs? You can do that almost as well with a combat probe, and with probing becoming extremely easy and fast there is really no need anyway. In a system with 40 sigs 20-30 of them will show their group on your first 8 AU scan.
People saying DPS aren't needed anymore never used them to their potential.
From the viewpoint of a hunter.
Open wormhole into new system.
Hit Dscan, don't see anything. Your not safe. Drop single DSP, cloak back up immediately. Move DSP up over the sun out of Dscan range. Make max range, hit scan. If they don't have a DSP out, they don't know your there. You see ships now. Warp around using Dscan to get the general area they are in and making sure not at a POS. You can get them tracked down within 1-2 au. Warp off Dscan range. drop combat probes, and arrange in a suitable pattern. Position over the ships general area. Hit scan once, get a hit pull probes back. Hope they didn't see probes on dscan. Warp to ship at zero uncloaking in warp to prevent targeting delay. Land blow up ships, loot warp off.
From the viewpoint of the prey.
Keep one single DSP out in the system, over the sun again out of dscan range, scanning constantly along with dscan. See a wormhole open into you, get everyone to safety, or set up a trap. They don't know you seen them come in especially if they came in off dscan range.
Another thought though on why does the probe launcher still hold 8 probes. Perhaps make probe charges. Like say a charge holds 7 probes, or a charge holds 4 probes, or a charge allows just 1 probe. You can then launch a charge. |
Terrorfrodo
Renegade Hobbits for Mordor
435
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Posted - 2013.05.09 15:18:00 -
[300] - Quote
You are right, I forgot about pvp scanning. I use DSPs like that myself sometimes.
In any case, there is simply no reason to remove them. It's not like they use server resources or anything.
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