Instead of this:
http://www.kepfeltoltes.hu/130509/formation1_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

Wow, so many complaints over making a scanning system look like an actual GAME and not like a spreadsheet. The issue here is that most eve players are in the IT professions and working with SQL and such they are often times more acclimated to reading raw data and are comfortable with that. HOWEVER, the UI deff. needed some shaking up. Im sure in time they can make minor adjustments, but in all honesty you arent getting the old scanning system back so get out of your comfort zone and adapt like most gamers.

I've tried to scan on SISI and I have to say that it's quite awful. Does any of you have figured how to move all the probes close to their center of gravity ?

BEFORE :
1- Push Alt
2- Grab arrow
3- Move mouse

NOW ON SISI :
1- Push Maj
2- Grab arrow
3- Release Maj
4- Push Alt
5- Move mouse (without being able to see the arrows, so your cursor is currently moving something you can't see...)

No, really, not good.

But but.. It's a CCP logo ! You can't ask them to remove it !


I've tried to scan on SISI and I have to say that it's quite awful. Does any of you have figured how to move all the probes close to their center of gravity ?

BEFORE :
1- Push Alt
2- Grab arrow
3- Move mouse

NOW ON SISI :
1- Push Maj
2- Grab arrow
3- Release Maj
4- Push Alt
5- Move mouse (without being able to see the arrows, so your cursor is currently moving something you can't see...)

No, really, not good.

Directy copy/paste of my post in the general Odyssey feedback thread, since it's relevant to this thread:

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- It's now impossible to resize the columns in probe results. Most people (or at least, I did) minimized the 'Ship ID', 'Ship' and often even 'Ship class'. For combat probing the only worthwhile columns are 'Ship type' and 'Distance'

- Speaking of the distance column, it's entirely gone. I hope this is a bug -- if not, it kills the entire pvp metagame. F.e. bombing will be impossible and tier3 snipers will dominate everything

- It's also not possible to sort results by any column. The usual way to have probe results setup is sorted by distance close>far or far>close.

- The colors are very bright and distracting, it also doesn't line up with any other interface in Eve. Not a big fan of this.. although I do like the way percentage is shown by the length of the colored bar (just tone down the colors a bit)

- The 'warp to' button is a bit silly, hardly anyone will do a personal warp to a result at 0. Most of the times a covops will warp at distance to not get decloaked, or someone would warp squad/wing/fleet. If in most cases a right click is required anyway, why waste so much space on a 'warp to 0' button?

- Looks like 'Ignore result' and 'Ignore other results' are either reversed or just bugged in general. Results definitely aren't being hidden like they should be.

- For the love of christ let us center the camera in the probe map on celestials from the overview again. This was changed a while ago and it sucks. CCP Karkur made some inquiries to this change, but I don't know if it's on the list to put back in the client. Previously a single click on a celestial on the overview (stations, planets, moons, everything) centered the camera on it

- Probe formations are cool and useful. Dragging the entire probe set without holding shift is good too.

- It's almost impossible to tell which probe result has been selected. The color difference is minimal and the bars constantly sliding into the screen are way too distracting.

This interface really needs work before it's actually an improvement...

You can still use Shift-Alt to move probes towards center, but why would you?

Click launch probes
Move the single visible probe onto sig
Change radius by resizing any probe sphere, probes will automatically move towards center
Click Scan

Much much easier now, no more pointless clicking and moving probes by hand.

Honestly guys, I want feedback AFTER you have used the features. Not before!
Singularity will be up shortly.

Sort of. The probes don't automatically move into formation if you resize them from the probe menu. I hope and pray that this is a bug. However, I found that I needed to check the location of the probes after resizing from the map. It looks like the probes aren't actually retaining their relative distance to one another half of the time. This may be a glitch in the way the central arrows are displayed/scaled, but I ended up holding shift to inspect the formation after every resize and tweaking it with alt-shift a lot.

If that's a glitch somehow, well and good, but I don't just scan with my probes in one formation all the time forever. I'll be using the alt-drag less, but I will still want it.

Directy copy/paste of my post in the general Odyssey feedback thread, since it's relevant to this thread:

####

- It's now impossible to resize the columns in probe results. Most people (or at least, I did) minimized the 'Ship ID', 'Ship' and often even 'Ship class'. For combat probing the only worthwhile columns are 'Ship type' and 'Distance'

- Speaking of the distance column, it's entirely gone. I hope this is a bug -- if not, it kills the entire pvp metagame. F.e. bombing will be impossible and tier3 snipers will dominate everything

- It's also not possible to sort results by any column. The usual way to have probe results setup is sorted by distance close>far or far>close.

- The colors are very bright and distracting, it also doesn't line up with any other interface in Eve. Not a big fan of this.. although I do like the way percentage is shown by the length of the colored bar (just tone down the colors a bit)

- The 'warp to' button is a bit silly, hardly anyone will do a personal warp to a result at 0. Most of the times a covops will warp at distance to not get decloaked, or someone would warp squad/wing/fleet. If in most cases a right click is required anyway, why waste so much space on a 'warp to 0' button?

- Looks like 'Ignore result' and 'Ignore other results' are either reversed or just bugged in general. Results definitely aren't being hidden like they should be.

- For the love of christ let us center the camera in the probe map on celestials from the overview again. This was changed a while ago and it sucks. CCP Karkur made some inquiries to this change, but I don't know if it's on the list to put back in the client. Previously a single click on a celestial on the overview (stations, planets, moons, everything) centered the camera on it

- Probe formations are cool and useful. Dragging the entire probe set without holding shift is good too.

- It's almost impossible to tell which probe result has been selected. The color difference is minimal and the bars constantly sliding into the screen are way too distracting.

This interface really needs work before it's actually an improvement...

The lack of a cube-formation is important.


Atm those new features are exclusively focused on getting new players to scan properly like someone who actually trained it. Though you are ignoring the older players, who indeed do want to scan with 8 probes.

So please, if you do that instalaunch, include all three important formation, (5 for rookies, 7 for casuals, and cube/8 for actual scanners). Unlike this is getting fixed, I'll -1 this whole idea as incomplete respectively badly executed.

Probe launchers can now only launch a maximum of seven probes. These probes are now launched all together. One click, launches all.

Why is everyone talking about the loss of DSPs as if their removal were merely collateral damage?

DSPs were pretty obviously not intended to be used to circumvent a huge portion of the exploration time sink - that was a function of a flawed mechanical design.

Skill Changes
Astrometrics:

• This is now a starting skill, all new characters receive this at Level 1
• Does not alter ability to launch probes, all players can now launch 7 probes.
• Added +5% scan strength, -5% max scan deviation and -0.5 sec scan time per level

Also:

• Reduced the per level modifier for Astrometrics Rangefinding, Astrometrics Acquisition and Astrometrics pinpointing by half.

No I would say it is quite the opposite. DSP's were absolutely designed to help speed up an advanced players scanning. One who was willing to train astrometrics to 5 AND use a ship capable of fitting an expanded launcher