i would really like to see a new player in a t1 cruiser do the serpentis 4/10. in fact, i would probably sacrifice a covops just to warp scramble him as soon as he has room aggro.

That may be the intended message, but the actual message is "switch to a HAC/BC/pirate faction cruiser and keep on farming." The problem isn't the sites being accessible to T3s, it's the availability of easily farmed sites with drops of 500m+ in highsec. As long as the sites exist in their current form, they'll be farmed heavily by older/more experienced players. The removal of T3s just means that people who previously lost to tengus will instead lose to Cerberuses or Sleipnirs or whatever.

i would really like to see a new player in a t1 cruiser do the serpentis 4/10. in fact, i would probably sacrifice a covops just to warp scramble him as soon as he has room aggro.

I imagine this was set so that those who do not have the skills for T2s yet can properly test both modules with low skills.

4/10s are T1 cruiser sites, so this change very welcome indeed. It's EVE telling you to leave hisec sites for the new players they were designed for.

The Serpentis overseer in the 4/10 can be killed with far less dps than 600. I've done the site with a tech 2 fitted Retribution and killed the overseer with just over 200 dps without even hitting his weak resists. Its far from efficient but certainly doable and full room agro is no problem in an AF.

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Basically, as folks have already said, this change is crap - guys with tengus in hisec will now switch to cerbs, ishtars or maybe drakes (can they enter?) and carry on their marry way. However why is no one thinking of frecking lowsec? We're pretty much f****d since cloakie tech3s at least gave you the option of travelling around and, you know... exploring... and with covops fits dps is far below anything allowing for fast farming. With this change and tech3's out of way its back to mwd+cloak days of isthar I guess, but why this change was needed and what good it will bring is beyond me. If they are trying to force 'cooperative game-play' on people they are totally doing it the wrong way.

Or how about a proper cloaky t2/faction cruiser for exploration? Something like Pilgrim but with enough dps and tank to do the 4/10, 5/10 and some bonuses to probing

It's called a Legion. Or a Tengu if you prefer the Caldari version (which is admittedly superior for exploration in many ways).

They just stopped these ships from accessing these sites.

ROFL! If you can't solo a DeD 4 in a non-T3 ship then you should just gimme all ur stuff and quit Eve, your bad. I can solo a Highsec DeD 4 Like in Deltole (which is what they're referring to) in a damn AF, you can at least do it in a HaC/T1 BC.

Hmm - don't know if someone already discovered that but it seems some changes were made on SISI in DED complexes and ship allowance list. HI-sec DED complexes (3/10 4/10) no longer allow T3 cruisers for example...



Just info for all those DED fans :D

While i am literally giggling right now at the thought of hundreds of highsec tengus becoming useless, it's the wrong way to address whats going on in highsec exploration - because those pilots will soon discover the Cerberus, or similar boats.

Randomizing of signature strengths and/or looking at loot tables (why are the invulnerability fields, as active hardeners, dropping from 4-6/10 sites - it would have maybe been better to put them in 7-10/10 sites - but then again eanms are sort of their counterpart, so i dunno) would have been much better.

Removing 4/10 from highsec would also be an option.

If you restrict access to those sites, be even more strict and disallow also t2 ships and pirate/navy variants.

And I am giggling at them effecting your precious lowsec with that nerf too.At least we have a common gripe.How can you allow one type of T2 cruiser and not another? Yes I know T3 are T3's but its still a cruiser size.To be technical the pirate cruisers are really just class 1 but sitll,probably should limit them too.

And I am giggling at them effecting your precious lowsec with that nerf too.At least we have a common gripe.How can you allow one type of T2 cruiser and not another? Yes I know T3 are T3's but its still a cruiser size.To be technical the pirate cruisers are really just class 1 but sitll,probably should limit them too.

Well we must have met different overseers because the one I know would tank 200 dps of wrong damage type while picking his nose and laughing at you in most menacing manner. I've had that bugger rep tank 350 dps (cloaky) tengu shooting proper damage types and had to bring another guy into plex to kill it.

T2 cruisers don't have scan bonus, they have lesser tank and dps than T3. Also some of them have problems with exploration fittings (Zealot with 6 High\turret slots as example).
T2 allowed in exploration sites? It's ok, players now have the good reason to train for Heavy assault cruisers while waiting for proper rebalance.
It's not just current dumb "Train Tengu - the only ship you need in your lifetime to do everything better than anyone else". Let's see how painlessly current Tengu addicts will switch to Cerberus if ships are "just same" and "this will change nothing".

T2 cruisers don't have scan bonus, they have lesser tank and dps than T3. Also some of them have problems with exploration fittings (Zealot with 6 High\turret slots as example).
T2 allowed in exploration sites? It's ok, players now have the good reason to train for Heavy assault cruisers while waiting for proper rebalance.
It's not just current dumb "Train Tengu - the only ship you need in your lifetime to do everything better than anyone else". Let's see how painlessly current Tengu addicts will switch to Cerberus if ships are "just same" and "this will change nothing".

This acceleration gate is not configured to handle your Tengu.
It handles:
Frigate
Cruiser
Shuttle
Rookie ship
Assault Frigate
Heavy Assault Cruiser
Deep Space Transport
Destroyer
Interdictor
Covert Ops
Interceptor
Logistics
Force Recon Ship
Stealth Bomber
Electronic Attack Ship
Heavy Interdiction Cruiser
Combat Recon Ship
Industrial
Industrial Command Ship
Blockade Runner

But if you can get an orca in you can just put your T3 into the hangar and switch once you are in the site