Except I hear that the Orca won't allow any non-industrial ships to be put in its hanger now. So you can't move anything buy mining ships in an orca in odyssey

Except I hear that the Orca won't allow any non-industrial ships to be put in its hanger now. So you can't move anything buy mining ships in an orca in odyssey

Confirmed this in not true.
http://i.imgur.com/rDZgLka.jpg

Time to move on, unsubbing. And no, you cant have my stuff :) Spent last 2,5 month skilling for Tengu highsec/lowsec exploration and now it is obsolete. Thanks.

This is the way and mentality of the hisec bear. Killing noobs instead of helping them. gg

I understand your disappointment but lets wait first how things will actualy turn out after Odyssey (granted i feel rather pessimistic myself). Thers still room for CCP to get at least a few things right despite all the **** ups so far.
Tengu should be perfect ship for null sec profession sites should they decide to make them worthwile. Probing bonus, interdiction nullifier, cov ops cloak, enough mid slots for analyzers and additional probing mods. (under the assumption that not much dps and tank will be necessary for the sites aka rat spawns can be avoided or at least evaded).
And i think or hope so that they change their mind about Tengu ban from low sec sites or leave the sites as they are but move them all to low.

Time to move on, unsubbing. And no, you cant have my stuff :) Spent last 2,5 month skilling for Tengu highsec/lowsec exploration and now it is obsolete. Thanks.

Good bye. Eve doesn't need people who are unable to adapt.

Good bye. Eve doesn't need people who are unable to adapt.

So looks like the concensus is:
- block T2 cruisers as well from hisec plexes
- remove ship restrictions from lowsec plexes
- decrease loot drops from hisec sites
I understand the opposition, after all CCP is trying to make exploration more player skill based instead of SP/ISK based, and that makes my ~elite hisec explorers~ very unhappy.

It is not a matter of adapting, it is being squeezed out. T3 ships are solo exploration ships, CCP seems to be doing everything in there power to remove solo exploration.

With the removal of T3 ships form 3/10 and 4/10 sites, inorder to do them now you must have a ton of ships scattered throught the galaxy, or have a Orca or another type of ship with a SMA to follow you around.

I will admit that I feel T3 ships are too powerful for a 3/10 and largely a 4/10 site, but at the same time a T1 cruiser can do most 4/10 sites, so why sould they allow any advanced cruisers and battlecruisers in them?
A Destroyer can do a 3/10 site, why allow any cruisers in them at all?

It all seems to boil down to the removal of solo exploration, which if that is what one finds entertaining then un-subbing is the only thing to do.

What about unrated sites, are there any new ship restrictions? Or is it only Tengu banned from 3/10 a 4/10? Thanks.

With the new skill requirements, it will become easier to specialize in tech2 ships, giving newer players more variety in ships. At some point you have to draw the line for what ships you want to allow in the complexes. It seems fine to me to not allow cruisers with battleship tank/dps in the beginner complexes.

By adapting you mean to change ships and create the same pressure on 4/10 in high-sec? How is the situation changing? Just because it wont be Tengu but other ship, the problem gets solved by miracle? No, in a few months people will start a new forum whine being beaten in 4/10 competition by other ship used by high-sec exploration veterans.

I can use a Drake and play it the exactly same way, oh wait, I will have better and passive tank... I want to fly Tengu, because I find the ship more fun than boring Drake.

The problem is a site in safe high-sec generating loot worth up to almost 1B. Its a matter of supply and demand. If the site really is created for new players, then such a valuable loot has nothing to do in there, unless it is a part of lowsec expedition.

All strategic cruisers have been excluded from those plexes.

By adapting you mean to change ships and create the same pressure on 4/10 in high-sec? How is the situation changing? Just because it wont be Tengu but other ship, the problem gets solved by miracle? No, in a few months people will start a new forum whine being beaten in 4/10 competition by other ship used by high-sec exploration veterans.

DED4's are beginner complexes? I thought those would be DED1 and 2's but hey...

Let's see.

- Located in High Sec
- Enemies are BC and below (With the exception of the 1 BS in Serpentis 4/10)
- Can be done by 4 week old Newbie without breaking a sweat

What would you call it?

So don't cry, change ships (to Cerberus, it will be easy) and "create the same pressure".
But looking at the amount of tears it's obvious that Tengu was the key to that pressure, because suddenly you don't have ship scan bonus anymore and now you need to compete with all those "peasants on T1\T2".

I, for one, welcome your leave from highsec exploration

What would you call it?

- Located in High Sec

- Enemies are BC and below (With the exception of the 1 BS in Serpentis 4/10)

Can be done by 4 week old Newbie without breaking a sweat

With the new skill requirements, it will become easier to specialize in tech2 ships, giving newer players more variety in ships. At some point you have to draw the line for what ships you want to allow in the complexes. It seems fine to me to not allow cruisers with battleship tank/dps in the beginner complexes.

Apparently you did not look at the training time of the new skill requirements, they are about the same amount of time now as they were before. How does that make it any easier?