This is demonstrating a lack of what is being discussed.

Mission income isn't unbalanced because it provides so much isk to an individual pilot. it's a prblem because of 150,000 people injecting isk into a game's economy while suffering very VERY few loses to compensate (thus Malcanis' comment about the risk being too low).

Many activities provide more isk. When those other activities stuff to much isk into the economy (like null sec anoms before the system's upgrade nerf and the Titan tracking nerf or like the original incursions), they get nerfed despite injecting less overall isk than missions do.

The proper fix is injecting more risk in to level 4 missions. The NPC AI change was a good start and is healthy for the EVE economy in that it actually spurred more drone consumption and production. Prior to the npc AI change, the only time dropnes were lost were in pvp or if a mission runner warped off and forgot them.

That's because it is your only motivation (simplified). It would be more accurate to say you believe making hisec suck to the point that unallied solo missioners would throw themselves onto your spears for your satisfaction is a good thing. Because you can't provide any substantial facts that what you say is true or that your solution would make a bit of difference in population distribution.

Could you provide evidence or data showing Eve's economy is not only in turmoil or imminent danger, but that it is being caused by mission running? Could you show the numbers indicating that "very very few" player losses is part of the "problem"? How much more losses should players be incurring to fix this "problem"?

I disagree with that, if for no other reason is it fuels that irrational "high sec persecution complex" where they allow themeslve to think that the ONLY motivation I and those like me have is that "you don't like my playstyle" lol. But also because it doesn't work.

Put lvl 4s in low sec and watch the brand spanking new LEVEL 3 community burst into existence like the Big Bang. Lvl 5s and incursions and all the rewards outside of high sec prove that no level of reward justifies any level of risk for a great many PVE players. Lvl 4s in low sec just means waste content.

Jenn aSide,

You're saying that there's "a problem because of 150,000 people injecting isk into a game's economy while suffering very VERY few loses to compensate". I am trying to see where the problem is. Do you have data to back this up?

If this is a problem that you personally have, well then, I can very much respect that. But please understand that that is what it is, a personal problem with mission running, and not a problem with the game's economy.

EVE's virtual economy thrives on consumption (ships exploding is the biggest part of that), mission runners contribute very little to this as the content they enjoy rarely kills anything bigger than a Condor

No one claims EVE's economy is about to crash. That doesn't mean there aren't fixable imbalances though.

Someone will run them. Don't want to risk it, have fun spending 4 days to buy a battlecruiser. It would likely bring prices down on exotic stuff, because there would be a LOT less isk in the system.

And this would be why you aren't the CEO of a company. Do you believe, as an example myself, with 63? of 65?million combat oriented skill points am going to keep my sub active with a general activity of level 3 missions to do? You think what? I'm going to suddenly decide to go live in your alliance controlled space? You are a simp. I think you overvalue how valuable EVE is. This game is not irreplaceable in that sense.

I say that in the what if your pipe dream came true sense. I sit comfortably knowing my dollar buys more than your personal favor.

Yeah that is the point. Bitches like you are part of the problem.

Your mother.

O and don't try and soften up the comment with an additional comment. Cause I mean precisely what I say about your mother. Chump.

Your mother.

O and don't try and soften up the comment with an additional comment. Cause I mean precisely what I say about your mother. Chump.

gotcha hide in your NPC corp.


60m SP wasted if you ask me.


LOL terrible standing eh? Noted. You would never see me coming anyway.

Don't sing it bring it. Do your worse. LOL at me hiding in NPC corp, more like you hiding in alliance.

Man listen, instead of convincing me how scared i'm supposed to be of you, make me scared.

Eve's virtual economy does indeed thrive on consumption. And it thrives just as much on production. Simply because mission running is not on the side of "consumption" doesn't mean they are not contributing. Not everything must involve a kill to add content. That's part of it or a way, but not the whole equation.

lol

You actually think you are worth that much energy?

You aren't worth the tornados to blap you.

Eve's virtual economy does indeed thrive on consumption. And it thrives just as much on production. Simply because mission running is not on the side of "consumption" doesn't mean they are not contributing. Not everything must involve a kill to add content. That's part of it or a way, but not the whole equation.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

And your post is A way to miss the point. Who said anything about killing?

I'm talking about balance. In other pve areas (incursions, null sec anomalies and FW though it wasn't an isk faucet per se etc) there have been balance measures taken because too much isk was being injected into the economy. This dispite the fact that ships do frequently die while players are engaging that content.

Yet Missions are allowed to continue to collectively spew isk into the system with no counterbalancing consumption save ammo (and not even mocu of that if the mission runner runs missions in amarr space and uses laser boats)and the the early cost to noob mission runners of replacing condors and rifters (lol).

That's an imbalance (as seen here) and while some growth is good, a extra Trillion a day because EVE doesn't have enough isk sinks isn't all that great in the long run. Missions are a part of this imbalance.

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What if we made the LP store cost much more ISK to buy items? It would effectively slow the injection of ISK in the game by deleting more of the bounty/reward from the mission. Could it possibly be enough to reduce the injection of ISK enough?

Isk sinks (losing ships for example) balance out isk faucets. and promote a healthy circulation of currency, keeping the universe in balance. Levels 4's are pretty easy to grind at nearly 0 risk making them a dangerous faucet to leave as is.

56 kills I'm not camping you for a month waiting for you to come out from under concord, you can shoot me anytime. I have 6 seconds.

pansy.

I can pull 60m/hr on bounties with a good mission spread.

That is an outlier though.

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Yeah yeah yeah. It more that like your killboard suggests you only get kills involved in massive groups of which you're a peon and the thought of getting owned after smackin solo is too much to bear. Because we both know you aren't that hardcore. What you are is like many of the peon pissants on this forum ballsy when you sit comfortably behind a large army. But me, IDC. Idc about you, your corporation or your alliance. I meant what I said explicitly about your moms and if you don't come kill me youre a *****.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It more that like your killboard suggests you only get kills involved in massive groups of which you're a peon and the thought of getting owned after smackin solo is too much to bear. Because we both know you aren't that hardcore. What you are is like many of the peon pissants on this forum ballsy when you sit comfortably behind a large army. But me, IDC. Idc about you, your corporation or your alliance. I meant what I said explicitly about your mom and if you don't come kill me youre a ho'.

...and yet I have 8 times more kills than you have ever.

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