Are you high on something? Making over 60 million an hour wtf .... If lucky flying solo and with a standard bs you're looking at most

What is the benefit to the rest of EVE if you lower LV 4 mission payouts?

A better balanced economy and better balanced gameplay ecology.

I know you know a lot about this Tippia but that doesn't tell me a lot. That's more like a campaign slogan, no offense.

I get that is what people seem to be aiming for, but I don't see how this would come into effect, exactly, given some of the potential cons: More drain on null sec and fewer players for example.

What part am I missing?

[quote=Amarra Mandalin][quote=Tippia]


BEGGING IN LOCAL SHOULD NOT BE A CORE GAMEPLAY MECHANIC!

I know you know a lot about this Tippia but that doesn't tell me a lot. That's more like a campaign slogan, no offense.

I get that is what people seem to be aiming for, but I don't see how this would come into effect, exactly, given some of the potential cons: More drain on null sec and fewer players for example.

What part am I missing?

More drain on null sec is a good thing, and it's rather unlikely that people would quit the game GÇö they'd just move on to some other activity that satisfies their demand for income. That is also a good thing.

The problem with L4s has always been that it's ridiculously out-of-whack effort/reward ratio has had two very bad effects: one is that it spews massive amounts of ISK into the economy; the other is that it obsoletes or overshadows other gameplay. Much like highsec industry, it provides such an unreasonably high benchmark for earning that you'd be stupid not to take advantage of it, and it leaves no room for additions because to make them sensible and balanced, they have to be made a worse choice than missions. The first incarnation of the post-dominion nullsec anomalies illustrated this: finally, there was something that was unquestionably better to do than L4s in highsec, and they soon had to be scaled back because they were just breaking the game in terms of how much ISK they rained over everyone.

GǪand that's the entire trick: if L4s are made more sensible, it would open up for different (both new and existing) activities to take over that high-end segment, which allows for more granular approaches to income balancing.

Tippia, the problem isn't that you can make lots of safe ISK - the problem is that there is no reason to pass it around.
There need to be more things that you can only get in lo or null sec that people in high sec need.

CONDOR. FIT FOR A LEVEL ONE MISSION.

COSTS 5 MILLION ISK.

I mission all the time, can someone show me how to make 60 mil/hour.

I fly a t2 fit paladin with some faction mods too. So yeah, the whole 60 mil an hour, is such BS.

Probably 20 mil an hour. Maybe 10 mil from bounties, 3 mil from reward, and some LP and Loot.

But certainly not 60 mil an hour

Listen G thug home skillet, we don't appreciate your facts

I mission all the time, can someone show me how to make 60 mil/hour.

I fly a t2 fit paladin with some faction mods too. So yeah, the whole 60 mil an hour, is such BS.

Probably 20 mil an hour. Maybe 10 mil from bounties, 3 mil from reward, and some LP and Loot.

But certainly not 60 mil an hour

inflation KILLS New Players.

Its not BS. You don't run them very efficiently.

No "normal" mission runner using one character makes anything CLOSE to 60 mil an hour. Period.

It's such a common lie it's been a running joke for years ffs.

"lol I make 300mil an hour doing missions, and I'm asleep half the time. u must b dum"

Read this

When you take into account that he is low balling on the loot and that both loot and salvage values have gone up due to inflation over the last 3 years and the latest buff to the CNR and cruise missiles its rather easy to see that 60 mil is well within reach.

That guy you linked literally said he was trying to do the most efficient L4 mission running possible... I'm not sure why you're bringing him up in response to someone who just said "normal" in quotes to make it really clear... That link does not post to a "normal" mission runner. I mean, his first bullet point literally says:

"High-skilled, close to perfect character in well-fitted gank Torp Golem"

20 million isk wallet ticks for L4 missions being "normal" is a pretty astounding claim... Unless you think a "High-skilled, close to perfect character in well-fitted gank Torp Golem" is the "norm"...

Yeesh...

this game is just over a decade old. Do you honestly think most of the 500k accounts in this game are scrubs?

At the very least there are tens of thousands of people with near perfect skills for whatever their chosen top end mission ship is. It would be moronic to think that this kind of mission runner is rare.

I don't think the risk can be adjusted without removing them from hi-sec due to the nature of missions tbh.

this game is just over a decade old. Do you honestly think most of the 500k accounts in this game are scrubs?

At the very least there are tens of thousands of people with near perfect skills for whatever their chosen top end mission ship is. It would be moronic to think that this kind of mission runner is rare.

Yeah I'm not an elite super hard core player like you, so yeah I might not run them efficiently. but neither does the other 90% of mission runners. Most mission runners I personally know dont make insane amounts of isk. I think you are suffering from the ivory tower syndrome.