Yeah, so when are you going to stop...

Life is so ******* hard for you. QQ I thought you guys wanted increased risk for the bigger rewards of null sec.

There may be one or two issues with stuffing 40000 into 5 systems in venal.

When you factor in downtime for things like that neut in local or too many in system doing anoms then you might as well be doing level 4s. Around the same isk but much less risk and no downtime. ISboxing anoms also works with missions and can earn you crazy sums of cash. Incursions are a better option for one account people though.

Yeah, so where are the rewards? Given the same amount if time I can use three agents two systems and make the same amount in hi sec given equal amounts of time.

Without having to cyno around ships (because moving a ratting battleships solo is near suicide)
Without having to fight off tacklers
Without black ops drops
Without fighting off small gangs
Without dealing with sov
Without needing to go 25+ jumps to get to a market
Without staring at local


I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with.

Like the "eloquent fact" that hi sec is "completely safe", right? There is a sense of desperation with you lot that only gets more obvious as you post your nonsense drivel. So you'll have to forgive me for not taking your "eloquent facts" seriously.

You'll have to forgive me for not taking your claims seriously after Tippa has repeatedly refuted them only for you to deny them outright without any logic, cogent argument, or thought behind it.

~~~~Highsec is safe~~~~

Though the OP does have a good point, L4 mission income needs to be nerfed and L1, L2, and L3 should be improved. It helps newbees and helps bring highsec inline with its risk.

Man you must be doing it wrong, whenever I come back from Null Sec or time in the hole, I am space rich. I decided to test this today by running l4's in high sec. I spent on average 45 mins per mission in my T2 fitted ship (not a ******* Tengu as I am trying to simulate Mr Average here), another 25 mins cleaning up the salvage and loot and across 3 missions thrown out randomly by the agent. I earned:

mission bounties and rewards: 35 million
Loot average value: 18 million
Loyalty Points: 11000

If you assume each Loyalty point is worth 1000 isk (I'm being generous here as they usually aren't due to other factors such as having to spend isk to redeem items or collect tags of the market or from other missions etc) you are looking at a grand total of 64 million over 3 hours approx. that's 21 million a hour all in.

We've got to think of Mr average when balancing stuff like this, because not everyone owns a tengu, not everyone wants one and lets be honest if people can scrape together the 1.2 billion fully fitted price tag that usually accompanies a T3 cruiser and can complete and salvage L4 missions in 1/2 hour than good luck to them. They've paid for that performance in terms of both isk, skills and experience. They are reaping the rewards of all of their hard work. Assuming Mr Tengu pilot is twice as fast as me given that I have elite missile skills and all other things remain equal (which they don't) then at best the guy is hitting 35 million per hour as there is no T3 salvager. Tomorrow I'm going to try the same experiment without salvaging to see how it works out purely on the mission income and LP.

Also be aware, that no ALT was used in the process. This is one person, doing one mission, one at a time, back to back.

Man you must be doing it wrong, whenever I come back from Null Sec or time in the hole, I am space rich. I decided to test this today by running l4's in high sec. I spent on average 45 mins per mission in my T2 fitted ship (not a ******* Tengu as I am trying to simulate Mr Average here), another 25 mins cleaning up the salvage and loot and across 3 missions thrown out randomly by the agent. I earned:

mission bounties and rewards: 35 million
Loot average value: 18 million
Loyalty Points: 11000

If you assume each Loyalty point is worth 1000 isk (I'm being generous here as they usually aren't due to other factors such as having to spend isk to redeem items or collect tags of the market or from other missions etc) you are looking at a grand total of 64 million over 3 hours approx. that's 21 million a hour all in.

We've got to think of Mr average when balancing stuff like this, because not everyone owns a tengu, not everyone wants one and lets be honest if people can scrape together the 1.2 billion fully fitted price tag that usually accompanies a T3 cruiser and can complete and salvage L4 missions in 1/2 hour than good luck to them. They've paid for that performance in terms of both isk, skills and experience. They are reaping the rewards of all of their hard work. Assuming Mr Tengu pilot is twice as fast as me given that I have elite missile skills and all other things remain equal (which they don't) then at best the guy is hitting 35 million per hour as there is no T3 salvager. Tomorrow I'm going to try the same experiment without salvaging to see how it works out purely on the mission income and LP.

Also be aware, that no ALT was used in the process. This is one person, doing one mission, one at a time, back to back.

That sounds about right. 3 missions in 3 hours, may be 4 with a powerful ship and a high skilled character -accounting for the salvaging of the 4th mission, not just completing it. Also account the share of time spent redeeming LPs and traveling to the nearest hub for selling, and actually selling the loot (no kidding, try selling 100+ different items one by one. And that's just the worthy ones, as usually I reprocess all modules under 50k to save hold and time).

Yeah, so where are the rewards? Given the same amount if time I can use three agents two systems and make the same amount in hi sec given equal amounts of time.

Without having to cyno around ships (because moving a ratting battleships solo is near suicide)
Without having to fight off tacklers
Without black ops drops
Without fighting off small gangs
Without dealing with sov
Without needing to go 25+ jumps to get to a market
Without staring at local


I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with.

They'll never understand this lol.

It's like trying to describe an honest days work to a rich kid. You tell the kid about having to get up the same time every morning (hours before you want to , fight traffic to get to a job that you hate and that pays you just enough to pay for gas to get to work the next day (lol) and then coming home to screaming kids, stupid neighbors and a demanding spouse.

At which point the coddled rich kid looks at you and tells you they can sympathize because they had to drive 30 minutes to private airport then wait a whole 15 minutes for their minion to fuel their private plan just so they could fly for a WHOLE hour to their beach house in Malibu and when they get there their isn't even any of the good Caviar in the house because their houseman didn't know they were coming and so didn't go to the store.....

Yea, those high sec people who rarely ever die while having access to infinite missions while not even having to glance at local and who can go afk at ANY TIME and just leave their ship in space/at a gate sure do have it rough man. I don't see how they make it day to day......

Yea, those high sec people who rarely ever die while having access to infinite missions while not even having to glance at local and who can go afk at ANY TIME and just leave their ship in space/at a gate sure do have it rough man. I don't see how they make it day to day......

but, from all the whinging threads that get posted in GD

people go AFK in nul-sec all the time, for hours & hours at a time.

If hisec is so awesome then leave null and play there. Simple isn't it?

No one is forcing you out so no that logic doesn't fit. No one in hisec gives a iota about anyone in nullsec, how they play or what they do.

This is a lie. Read any harry forever thread lol.

High sepc people profit from null sec activities they don't even participate in, yet whine whine when people point out high sec imbalances to them. If people like you could be honest for 5 seconds you'd see why.

Why is every post you leave absolutely fact-less and irrelevant to the argument you try and make?

Also lol at people like me. You mean people smarter and more able to communicate a point?

I don't care to hurt anyone's feelings. Really I don't. But it's always the most unprepared that cast the first stone then hides behind a veil of civility when they lose the argument.

I don't know where people get the idea that "null is all empty and no one is ever there" apparently they don't know how to use dotlan or are out in Spire or somewhere equal cut off. In all of the regions I've operated in (which is most of the map) there is constant activity, a lot of which you have to deal with.

Right, so you are within 20 mil an hour of anomaly income with a T2 battleship easily...in HIGH sec.

and pro tip, salvaging is a waste of time, blitz and gtfo

Good thing I haven't lost any arguments then. More of our game playing GD posting colleagues agree with me than with you.

I know losing is tough, but you'll get used to it.

You have yet to post a single fact in support of anything you've ever said (unlike me, as i've linked to dev blogs and other such sources), yet you try to project your failures on me lol. That's marks you as someone divorced from reality, which shouldn't surprise me given that this is an MMOs board, but it's still kinda sad.....

You can dislike the blunt truths I'm exposing you to, but you can't change reality by pretending what I've said is wrong.

If by losing the argument you mean having been forced to back away from your biased, factless, unproven outlook, then no you haven't lost the argument. Under that definition though it would be impossible for you to lose the argument as you are a particularly stubborn person.

If we go by the real world definition in which you have and will continue to have your points dissected, analyzed and then defeated then yes you have.

Also i'd ask you to seriously consider how you come off by calling your point of view "truth" to the rest of the community. Are you our EVE messiah?

This is a lie. Read any harry forever thread lol.

High sepc people profit from null sec activities they don't even participate in, yet whine whine when people point out high sec imbalances to them. If people like you could be honest for 5 seconds you'd see why.

OK Jenn, right now provide tangible evidence that EVEs economy is in bad shape and provide tangible evidence hisec missioning is the reason.

Provide me tangible evidence that I ever said anyhting of the sort.

That's really your problem. You tried to put words into my mouth, someone decided that I was making a claim I wasn't then when I don't back up a claim I never made, you declare victory. It simply means you are a liar at heart.

Go back, read what I said, then lets talk about that.