The pay is fine; the risks are far too low.

Ignore loot, ignore salvage, ignore all but the highest-bounty ships, blast through to the objective, get/kill it, get a new mission ASAP, repeat.

The biggest error people make when trying to increase their L4 income is to come back to loot and salvage GÇö it massively reduces your income unless you can do large batch jobs (e.g. 10 missions in rapid succession in one system using a Noctis)GǪ and even then, it's questionable.

What is it about someone doing their own thing and running missions that bothers you?

Also, so what if they are making a lot of isk, what concern of that is yours?

The pay is fine; the risks are far too low.

Ignore loot, ignore salvage, ignore all but the highest-bounty ships, blast through to the objective, get/kill it, get a new mission ASAP, repeat.

The biggest error people make when trying to increase their L4 income is to come back to loot and salvage GÇö it massively reduces your income unless you can do large batch jobs (e.g. 10 missions in rapid succession in one system using a Noctis)GǪ and even then, it's questionable.

The risks are far too high, not too low.

In L4s?! LMAO
The only way for the risks to be lower would be if the missions auto-completed themselves when you clicked the GÇ£acceptGÇ¥ button.

The risk in L4s is zero. The only way to create some is to have no tank at all, but that's your decision GÇö not something the missions themselves are designed around.

Aside from the fact that the way EVE is put together, the whole Gǣdo your own thingGǥ doesn't really existGǪ nothing. The problem with missions is that their effort:reward is out of whack.

It's a single economy. Any given activity spewing out ISK at an unreasonable rate is problematic.

Ignore loot, ignore salvage, ignore all but the highest-bounty ships, blast through to the objective, get/kill it, get a new mission ASAP, repeat.

The biggest error people make when trying to increase their L4 income is to come back to loot and salvage GÇö it massively reduces your income unless you can do large batch jobs (e.g. 10 missions in rapid succession in one system using a Noctis)GǪ and even then, it's questionable.

But you are attacking the problem from the wrong angle because not every mission runner is able to get those time:isk ratio. The guy just starting lvl4 is not chunring them at breakneck speed in his faction fit pirate BS. The guy who just bough his 1st BS with only somewhat decent skill in a lvl 4 will no be breaking the bank at all. The real difference come from the fact that lvl 4 is the end level. Nobody really run lvl 3 in faction fit ship with perfect set of implants to maximise thier isk and thats why the income seems out of whack. How much could people really earn if they did put the effort to see what is the real upper limit of lvl 3 when chained and run at neckbreak speed in really optimised ship/fit.

Increase the spending people do on high level mission to do them optimally if you really want to nerf the income of high level runners. The LP store is probably the best palce for this since you can eliminate ISK from the game without impacting the lesser mission runner as much.

The real difference come from the fact that lvl 4 is the end level.

What even happened to lvl 5 missions???

Close, but not quite. I'd say that the problem is that people treat L4s as if it's the end level, and that the missions themselves have such high income caps that it helps with this illusion. The entire system needs to be disabused of this incorrect notion.

Ideally, that cap should be set lower so that once you've gathered up that pimp mission ship, L4s no longer offer any improvement GÇö you're banging against ceiling and need to move on to something more lucrative that's better suited for the level of skill and equipment you've amassed. Yes, the casual player might never reach that ceiling, but that's fine too, and rather shows that it wouldn't really be a bad thing.

That progression needs more fixes than that. The lower-end could certainly use a bump in income; more difficulty needs to be introduced earlier; the jumps in both income and opposition need to be smoothed out; a natural Gǣit's time to move onGǪGǥ endpoint needs to be added to all of them.

To cap the reward potential of lvl 4, change how LP are given since top mission runner count on LP to make bank not bounties and mission isk rewards. Force people to actaully clear mission field for full LP payment so they can't blitz for more money than killing. It will slow them down thus reducing thier isk/hour cap. The lower skill pilot who can't blitz anyway won't really be affected.

HmmGǪ could work. The question is how. Also, with less LP being handed out, the LP store goods would go up in value and this would somewhat counteract such a change.

Maybe if there was some kind of ramp-up for both LP and ISK payouts? The missions are already scored by how long they take on average, but what if some immediate reward-for-time balancing as well, such as the LP and ISK rewards not being fixed, but rather what they max out at, and then they constantly increase at [magically determined rate] per minute while the mission is active. So if a mission gives 4k LP + 4M ISK, it takes 10 minutes of ramp-up before that maximum is reached; if it's 8k + 8M, it takes 20 minutes to max it out. Come home too soon, and you get proportionally lower (semi-)fixed rewards.

No high sec level 4s need a nerf.

Its the one that stands out after all.

You want to start another campaign to destroy high sec income

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Level 4 Mission... 60 million per hour

Consider that it costs 5m isk to fit up a proper condor for level 1 missions, if you happen to lose the one from the tutorial, it would take you 2.5 hours of mission grinding to replace that condor. With the new system you could have it replaced in the better part of an hour.
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stop me if I am wrong, but is Mission primary and possible only isk printing in EVE online?