I'm not sure if a harry forever thread is a litmus test for the majority of high-sec.

I mean anecdotally, I don't care about null secs income, but I'm sure some do, but it doesn't mean everyone in hi-sec cares about null sec or even a majority cares.

I mean have you started a poll asking hi-sec people what they thought null sec?

How do you know what the majority of them thinks then?

You're just making assumptions as usually from your personal perspective and assuming they are the facts for everyone.

I'm not really whining and complaining about imbalances, I am simply asking for evidence with actual hard data.

Its what everyone should do... Even on facts like global warming, you should ask "Show me the evidence for your global warming!" and people then can show you a consensus of a great deal of scientists data and you can go "Ok that makes sense!"

Otherwise you just assume what everyone on the internet tells you is true and you're going to have a bad time if you do that.

We aren't asking you to tell us that you can provide data, we are asking you to back up your statements with actual evidence.

Thats not putting words into your mouth, that is asking you if you can prove what you say is true.

If you can't provide evidence with data from CCP, then well we have no logical reason to believe you.

OK Jenn, right now provide tangible evidence that EVEs economy is in bad shape and provide tangible evidence hisec missioning is the reason.

Do not reply with hot air and tripe. People reading the thread including the devs know the difference.

That's two distinctly outlined requests of evidence to support your claim.

If by losing the argument you mean having been forced to back away from your biased, factless, unproven outlook, then no you haven't lost the argument.

Anytime those EVE colleagues want to actually put up an argument that the rest of the world could read and find worthy i'll gladly address them as well.

OK Jenn, right now provide tangible evidence that EVEs economy is in bad shape and provide tangible evidence hisec missioning is the reason.

OK Jenn, right now provide tangible evidence that EVEs economy is in bad shape and provide tangible evidence hisec missioning is the reason.

Do not reply with hot air and tripe. People reading the thread including the devs know the difference.

That's two distinctly outlined requests of evidence to support your claim.

What position does he hold?

Mines clear and concise, hisec missioning is fine as is the rewards.

I understand perfectly even through the convoluted paragraphs of hot air what the position is.

So what is it?

Sorry Tippia, it's not on me to affirm or post his position.

I wouldn't want to be accused of putting words into his mouth again.

You'll have to forgive me for not taking your claims seriously after Tippa has repeatedly refuted them only for you to deny them outright without any logic, cogent argument, or thought behind it.

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It is on you to demonstrate that you've perfectly understood his position if you claim that you have.

It's a bit too late for that since you refused to listen when he rejected your version of what was said, and also refused to provide any kind of evidence of the position you assumed he had.

No Tippia it is not my responsibility to write out his thoughts.

I've read enough to understand as best anyone could and that's where my responsibility ends.

Making outlandish claims with the intention of abandoning your position and instead go on circular spins does not constitute logical, cogent arguments.

PS: having good opportunity want to say "hello" to Red Alliance and Legion of xXdeathXx. Found some systems claimed by these 2 alliances. It was good to see they didn't disappear and continue to run.

I don't have to demonstrate anything

I think at this point you'd be better off summarizing his points that you clearly understand

No Tippia, it is not my responsibility to write out his thoughts. It's his responsibility to make clear to those reading it what precisely he feels.

I've read the entire thread and understand as best anyone could and that's where my responsibility ends.

That's not what I said at all

So its on you to prove I do not understand his points.

Can you please provide evidence an "imbalance" exists?

I understand his position perfectly fine.

I have to say that I find it absolutely precious that whenever I produce these back-of-the-envelope calculations of the sheer amount of wealth (ISK, LP, items, all totalled up) generated by hi-sec missions, it never ever fails to generate a huge shitstorm of denial, rage, obfuscation and desperate attempts to divert the discussion to something - anything else to obscure the simple fact that a single high population mission hub generates more wealth than all the high end moons combined.

Anyway, please do carry on. We can get this one to 50 pages easily. I know you guys can do it.

Prove it.