You attack it from such a silly angle though; why not just tweak logoff restrictions in high sec to ensure a player can get his ship out of game if he's not (more regularly) involved in combat?

As far as I know, the GM class bumping a Freighter to keep it from warping as an exploit. This rule only applies in highsec.

You attack it from such a silly angle though; why not just tweak logoff restrictions in high sec to ensure a player can get his ship out of game if he's not (more regularly) involved in combat?

Implying humans make consistent moral decisions? Incidentally, data mining would mimic human judgement with an extremely high degree of accuracy in a scenario like this. Computers are smart; people are bad at utilizing them.

was there something to prevent the freighter pilot from hitting "log off safely" in the course of this hour?

I hate to break it to you, but GM's (and CS employees in general) typically have a rule set to follow and a discrete range of actions to take. Without that rule set, they'd be easier to "game" and we'd lose all semblance of quality control.

You attack it from such a silly angle though; why not just tweak logoff restrictions in high sec to ensure a player can get his ship out of game if he's not (more regularly) involved in combat?

He was aggressed.

Jita IS like every other system in EVE. The "special restrictions" they have there are more to prevent the server from melting down than to promote/discourage certain player behaviors.

Heh... nope. Bumping has been around for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. It only gained extra attention with the (not so) recent buffs to the mining barges... which made miner ganking not as economical as it used to be. Former gankers still ply their trade... but with less explosions and more blackmail.

Read it. An exploit is something not designed by the devs, but players discovered and using to their advantage.

Like PI even?

The Jita system is unlike any other in EvE in what can be done in it.

Read it. An exploit is something not designed by the devs, but players discovered and using to their advantage. This exploit isn't fixed because it's tied to physics itself (and they'll have to fix the ships bumping gates). But that doesn't mean it's right to do.

In WoW if you don't know if the exploit is valid or not, you risk losing your account. Yeah, people ask first in WoW because losing a 5+ year account to one mistake hurts. Those guys who found an exploit in archaeology using a certain addon, about 30,000 got permanent ban notices. CCP is real kind, other games are not.

Like PI even?

The Jita system is unlike any other in EvE in what can be done in it. That's why it's special. Anything special can't be equal.

Read it. An exploit is something not designed by the devs, but players discovered and using to their advantage. This exploit isn't fixed because it's tied to physics itself (and they'll have to fix the ships bumping gates). But that doesn't mean it's right to do.

In WoW if you don't know if the exploit is valid or not, you risk losing your account. Yeah, people ask first in WoW because losing a 5+ year account to one mistake hurts. Those guys who found an exploit in archaeology using a certain addon, about 30,000 got permanent ban notices. CCP is real kind, other games are not.

You can state exploit all day long. The only time in Eve something can be deemed an exploit, is when CCP do so. The point being the term 'exploit' has a very defined meaning in this game.

CCP doesn't make the definitions.

CCP doesn't make the definitions. CCP may police them in EvE, but they don't make the definition itself.

And apparently this is one exploit you guys came out of the woodwork to defend, rapidly even.

But you do realize these things change right? Is that why you're scared?

Read it. An exploit is something not designed by the devs, but players discovered and using to their advantage. This exploit isn't fixed because it's tied to physics itself (and they'll have to fix the ships bumping gates). But that doesn't mean it's right to do.

In WoW if you don't know if the exploit is valid or not, you risk losing your account. Yeah, people ask first in WoW because losing a 5+ year account to one mistake hurts. Those guys who found an exploit in archaeology using a certain addon, about 30,000 got permanent ban notices. CCP is real kind, other games are not.

Of course they do. Every part of them, in fact.

There is no Mystic Exploit Council that determine the universal standard for what counts in an exploit across all games everywhere GÇö just individual devs and GMs that set up the policies for their specific game.

You're arguing the wrong points, the definition is quite clear across all games -- it's not a dev design feature but one players discovered and use to their advantage. That's the definition of a game exploit.

You're arguing the wrong points, the definition is quite clear across all games -- it's not a dev design feature but one players discovered and use to their advantage. That's the definition of a game exploit.

CCP allows it for whatever reason, but it's clear it's an exploit by the gaming definition independent of EvE (which isn't a celestial court for gaming definitions).

CCP doesn't make the definitions. CCP may police them in EvE, but they don't make the definition itself.

And apparently this is one exploit you guys came out of the woodwork to defend, rapidly even.

But you do realize these things change right? Is that why you're scared?

Yes yes, constantly trying to warp off and bringing a webber is intolerable idleness. Not going to bite any further, sorry.



I am remiss not to acknowledge that he had the option to eject or self-destruct, apologies.

Should you have children teenage or below you would have greater success convincing them and would have a more adult like interaction than trying to get some people to see or acknowledge the issue as you see it.

May I suggest you do not post then and let the adults continue the discussion. Thank you kindly.

We defend it because it is not an exploit, no matter how many times you use the term.

EvE is not so removed from gaming to defy even gaming definitions. Point blank.

As long as the devs didn't design it, and players discovered it, and uses what they discovered for an advantage, it's an exploit.

You want to hide under CCP's skirt because they allow it, but it doesn't change the definition.

EvE is not so removed from gaming to defy even gaming definitions. Point blank.

As long as the devs didn't design it, and players discovered it, and uses what they discovered for an advantage, it's an exploit.

You want to hide under CCP's skirt because they allow it, but it doesn't change the definition.

EvE is not so removed from gaming to defy even gaming definitions. Point blank.

As long as the devs didn't design it, and players discovered it, and uses what they discovered for an advantage, it's an exploit.

You want to hide under CCP's skirt because they allow it, but it doesn't change the definition.