Neither of those are exploits. In fact, they are entirely legitimate mechanics expressly put into place to ensure that logging off does not save you.

That is not an exploit either. It is a long-standing mechanic that is just being used a bit differently here because it simplifies co-ordination. Herding CONCORD (both to and from the scene of the crime) has been used for pretty much as long as CONCORD has existed, and has been approved for both ends; both parties can use this mechanic to their advantage.

I seriously doubt that the aggression timer was put into place so that players with trial accounts can sit there and take pot shots at a defenseless freighter to keep it from logging off.

CONCORD is a mechanic that was placed into the game to give players a layer of protection when in empire space. If players choose to loose there ship to CONCORD by ganking haulers off a gate that's fine the way I see it. Those players are aware of the consequences of there actions and are prepared to pay the price, but when you bump a ship out of CONCORDs range with the expressive intention of breaking the CONCORD defense mechanic that is an exploit.

You can sugar coat all you want but at the end of the day a spade is still a spade.

luring them on gird is the only way i had to save myself and i did . the first time . after that the xploiters win

Add collision damage. Youll stop bumping into things eventually as you see your ship go *pop*. Don't make one bump enough to damage a ship a lot, just make a bunch in a certain time frame add up to killing yourself.

Free ganking? Excellent.

I never fly freighters i knew they get ganked but unlike when i left the game it only happened in .5 .6 systems with alpha fleets (just started back after new global flagging system didn't fully understand how it worked in ganking situation)

3.) I thought there was a double log off trick that allowed you to "escape" from these situations... Does that not work anymore? Does anyone know the details of how that worked?

CCP will have to make a decision on this subject in short time as there are multiple petitions in about Bumping which is = to a focused warp disruption script for a capital without a jump drive.

Neither of those have anything to do with freighters, and both of them are legitimate tactics GÇö in fact, the aggression flagging was explicitly put into place to get rid of certain abuses. Also, being able to do it for an hour doesn't make in any more of an abuse GÇö it all happens in 15-minute portions anyway GÇö it just makes it a complete failure on both sides.

They did make a decision.

I really don't get how people posting in this thread (where the decision has been repeatedly quoted or linked to) still are saying "CCP need to look at this"

CCP took several weeks looking into the issue of bumping and concluded that it was a normal application of game mechanics, as intended, and that doing so was not an exploit in any form.

I highly suggest you read the material in question so you are no longer asking CCP to do something they have already done.

e: also you can escape from being bumped, so no equating it to an infinite point is rather silly.

That's the problem. It shouldn't apply to freighters at all. As mentioned before it was used for capiltals that people tried to bug out on and couldn't.

Since freighters are not used for any of the same abuses the logoff factor of the aggression timers, it shouldn't apply, right?

what about a more "legitimate" pvp situation, like a freighter transporting an ihub in nullsec?

key word being nullsec

Yeah I see your point lol. I just wish **** could actually collide with other stuff.

well were talking about aggression timers, which bumping has nothing to do with

Really think about that.

If you gain suspect status by bumping someone...

- then every time you undock from a congested station (Jita 4-4) you will bump or be bumped. Everyone will gain suspect status and carnage will ensue.
- when you warp to gates there is a chance you might run into someone (or even the gate)... resulting in people being made suspect for no reason.
- how will the server decide who should gain the suspect timer? Based on who had the lower velocity? Greater mass?

Sure... there are ways to get around this...

- make an exception where ships won't go suspect if they are within a certain range of the station.
- make another exception where people within a certain range of the stargate won't go suspect.

WHOOPSIE-DAISY! Back to square one again. People will be using the exception to bump people off of gates again (at least up to a point).


tl;dr... computers and coding are actually quite "stupid" and can't reason. You also can't create or alter a blanket mechanic that affects so many things in the game without creating numerous exceptions and/or creating new, unforeseen consequences that will also be abused.

Bumping in itself has been ruled a legal mechanic.

But when you throw all these other issues into the mix Bumping is at the forefront of this disscusion.

Without the bumping the capital in highsec would never get caught for a Gank by non war tagets that werent in ships able to Alpha it

By allowing Bumping and combat aggression timers on freighters CCP is basically giving Goons/others the green light to remove freighters from the game its just a matter of time before there all gone.

yeah i remember when ccp removed all the freighter blueprints from the game too

you know i have python mines but guess what there about as useless as a ME 1million PE 1 million freighter BPO (since they will be unsaleable) if its going to get blown up soon as it gets out of dock range or jumps through a stargate .

You do realize that if the Goons blew up every freighter in the game tomorrow, people not only wouldn't stop using them, but if you had a BPO for one, you'd be obscenely rich as a result, right?

The market works in quite the opposite way as you imply in the post I quoted.

That's the problem. It shouldn't apply to freighters at all.

Of course it should. Freighters are not special, nor are freighter pilots; they abide by the same rules as everything else.

Since they're trying to enact the exact same abuse (logging off to not die), it most definitely should.

Freighters are not special hence they should be given 8 mids and 8 lows :)