I am really, really, surprised you have not gone into great detail yet explaining to us how Blizzard defines exploits or handles this situation better.

Now that we know you can make it through one thread without doing that, how about all threads from now on?

In WoW if you don't know if the exploit is valid or not, you risk losing your account. Yeah, people ask first in WoW because losing a 5+ year account to one mistake hurts. Those guys who found an exploit in archaeology using a certain addon, about 30,000 got permanent ban notices. CCP is real kind, other games are not.

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You do know that language is not set in stone and that words are often redefined over time depending in their usage. The fact that we are even discussing what an "exploit" actually is and can't agree is literally proof of that.

No one's hiding. Until CCP defines something as an exploit, you can throw whatever argument you want at it, they are the final word on everything around here.

I am really, really, surprised you have not gone into great detail yet explaining to us how Blizzard defines exploits or handles this situation better.

Now that we know you can make it through one thread without doing that, how about all threads from now on?

EvE is not so removed from gaming to defy even gaming definitions. Point blank.

As long as the devs didn't design it, and players discovered it, and uses what they discovered for an advantage, it's an exploit.

Hmmmm, this exploit seems to be a very hot potato.

Yeah, all those Dream Paragon supporters said the same. Dream Paragon still got a 10 day suspension and lost the world first -- and they deserved it. When professional gamers cheat, it's b-a-d. They know better.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1549389227?page=1

Worst thing about that exploit was the excuses made, like if they didn't do it...the others would.

If folks got to exploit to play or have fun..."Houston, we have a problem..."

This is getting good. Getting the alts of alts out now to post.

Hmmmm, this exploit seems to be a very hot potato......

No. As long as the devs feel that some particular use of a mechanic produces undesirable outcomes, it is an exploit. Whether the players discovered it or not only matters to the extent the devs are fans of emergent gameplay. CCP are very big fans of this.

And so are other game devs.

BUT, the definition is not yours or mine or CCP.

In that case, the DEVs of WoW considered it an exploit and acted accordingly.

The only reason CCP doesn't stop bumping is because they can't stop it

An exploit (from the verb to exploit, in the meaning of using something to oneGÇÖs own advantage) is a [...] sequence of commands that takes advantage of a bug, glitch or vulnerability in order to cause unintended or unanticipated behaviour to occur

GǪbut even then, he must have done somethingGǪ odd. Aggression lasts for 15 minutes, not an hour, so he would have to have been aggressed four times. Each time, CONCORD would have moved closer to the kill spot, which would be counter-productive. This tells us that the either gankers couldn't get the job done in the 15 minutes required to make it work, or he wasn't actually aggressed, and just ****** up on his own. These ganks do not go on for 60 minutes without the help of the victim, for the simple reason that if it doesn't work within 15 minutes, it doesn't work at all.

GǪfrom the description, it rather sounds like he successfully logoffskid once, but then was too eager to log back in.

This is mildly off topic, but how has Ace not been banned yet?

The logoff timer can be reset if he's been given the 15 minute capsuleer aggression timer, by simply re-aggressing him. This was explicitly made this way to counteract super-caps logging off, and is fully intended.

The way CCP usually considers "harrassment" is only if the player is targeted of the course of days, no matter where he/she goes to avoid conflict, for no particular reason.

Unless the OP is bumped by the same people no matter where he/she goes despite being unprofitable... the OP has no case.



Really think about that.

If you gain suspect status by bumping someone...

- then every time you undock from a congested station (Jita 4-4) you will bump or be bumped. Everyone will gain suspect status and carnage will ensue.
- when you warp to gates there is a chance you might run into someone (or even the gate)... resulting in people being made suspect for no reason.
- how will the server decide who should gain the suspect timer? Based on who had the lower velocity? Greater mass?

Sure... there are ways to get around this...

- make an exception where ships won't go suspect if they are within a certain range of the station.
- make another exception where people within a certain range of the stargate won't go suspect.

WHOOPSIE-DAISY! Back to square one again. People will be using the exception to bump people off of gates again (at least up to a point).


tl;dr... computers and coding are actually quite "stupid" and can't reason. You also can't create or alter a blanket mechanic that affects so many things in the game without creating numerous exceptions and/or creating new, unforeseen consequences that will also be abused.

Actually bumping could be flagged. There was a game I played a while ago if you bumped into NPCs repeatedly over a small period of time they went aggressive. Of course players would just take turns to bump.

I'm also unclear.. if he does nothing, when he eventually gets attacked concord will kill the attackers even if the attackers kill him first .. right?

Does the bumping just give more time to bring in more firepower from other systems to make sure the job gets done?

theres no way i am going to watch a sixteen minute grainy video about a miner getting bumped

its only grainy if u dont know where the dams hd button is.

http://youtu.be/0MmIsrAQPM4

Fisrt the 2 machariels bumped me for 10 minutes or so before goons ever showed up.

Second i never fly freightors i knew they get ganked but i thought it was only in .5 .6 systems

Third i didnt know it could be done in 30 fuc***** destroyers :(