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Jerrick Chase
Spacial Reconnaissance
10
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:05:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Small update.
- We're going to leave the "Spaceship Command" skill as such for now, even if things may change in the future.
- Same with the "Planetary Interaction" and "Subsystem" skill groups, we're not going to touch them based on received comments.
- "Multiple Targeting" and "Advanced Multiple Targeting" have been renamed "Target Management" and "Advanced Target Management".
- "Armor Honeycombing" has been renamed "Armor Layering".
- "Energy Management", "Energy Emission Systems" and "Energy Systems Operation" have been renamed "Capacitor Management", "Capacitor Emission Systems" and "Capacitor Systems Operation".
Great!
Good.
Good.
Eh.
Good.
Why "armor layering"? That implies the opposite of what the skill actually does, doesn't it? I fly mainly shield ships going into armor ships soon, training "Armor Layering" at first glance seems like I will be adding mass to the ships (more armor, more weight) when in reality its lightening the ship a bit. At work so I can't view the actual skill description.
Regardless... honeycombing makes more sense.
http://compositeswiki.org/honeycomb-structures/
Stick with honeycombing. |
Dersen Lowery
Laurentson INC
The Last Chancers.
672
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Posted - 2013.07.30 16:18:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:We're going to leave the "Spaceship Command" skill as such for now, even if things may change in the future.
Even if we do end up piloting our ships, as the new trailer sort of implies, "command" sounds better.
Everything else is fine, although I don't quite get "Armor Layering," and I prefer "Acquisition" to "Management" for the targeting skills.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.07.30 22:45:00 -
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Siresa Talesi wrote:
Again, it "doesn't sound that great," because it is grammatically incorrect English! You cannot pair an adjective (multiple) with a verb (targetting)! It sounds wrong because it is wrong!
"Targeting" in that context isn't a verb, it's a noun (i.e., "the targeting of multiple targets", not "I am multiple targeting some targets"), just as "a killing" or "an opening" are nouns, although they're spelled the same way as the corresponding transitive verbs. It's perfectly fine to say something like "multiple opening strategies" (ex., in chess) or "multiple targeting systems" (ex., laser painter vs. GPS-guided bombs). But things can be correct and sound bad, and "multiple targeting" does.
Anyway, looks like they've already picked a better alternative.
Now if only they'd split Resource Harvesting (mining) and Resource Processing (refining) into different groups...
P.S. - I agree that "Armor Layering" sounds a bit ambiguous. Maybe "Armor Plate Optimization", if you really want to get rid of "honycombing", for some reason ? |
Woei1988
Tainted Dragons
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
10
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:02:00 -
[484] - Quote
Yes! Lets dumb eve down even more. First safety buttons and log off timers.. Now renaming stuff that's been ingame for 10 bloody years.
Suggestion: Rename Eve Online to Spoonfeed Online..
Absolutely useless this..
Btw, where's the new skill: "Eve for Dummies: 5% chance to teleport away in pvp per shot fired upon you". Might as well~
Or "Safety Button Safety: Gives another safety button for your safety button, incase you accidentally press it"
Nyan...-á |
Kara Corvinus
Empyrean Acolytes
36
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Posted - 2013.07.31 04:17:00 -
[485] - Quote
CCP,
Seeing as YOUR LORE states that "capsuleers" do not PILOT their ships, but instead COMMAND them, it seems really stupid that you decided "Spaceship piloting" was a good replacement.
YOUR 2 CENTS from your own damn lore.^ |
Nova Satar
Rekall Incorporated
Sinewave Alliance
154
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:02:00 -
[486] - Quote
CCP Ytterbium wrote:Small update.
- We're going to leave the "Spaceship Command" skill as such for now, even if things may change in the future.
- Same with the "Planetary Interaction" and "Subsystem" skill groups, we're not going to touch them based on received comments.
- "Multiple Targeting" and "Advanced Multiple Targeting" have been renamed "Target Management" and "Advanced Target Management".
- "Armor Honeycombing" has been renamed "Armor Layering".
- "Energy Management", "Energy Emission Systems" and "Energy Systems Operation" have been renamed "Capacitor Management", "Capacitor Emission Systems" and "Capacitor Systems Operation".
much better, and the ones changed atleast aren't cringeworthy
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Kara Corvinus
Empyrean Acolytes
59
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Posted - 2013.07.31 12:14:00 -
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I made my voice.
CCP listened.
I love this company so much. |
Gorianteffa
Tainted Dragons
Drunk 'n' Disorderly
0
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:32:00 -
[488] - Quote
just why? leave the skills alone.
there is one thing in eve that help you tell what it is that you are looking at, it called ' READING ' you know right click, get info
slowly loosing faith here. |
Syrias Bizniz
Space-Brewery-Association
24eme Legion Etrangere
204
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Posted - 2013.07.31 17:45:00 -
[489] - Quote
The best thing about this thread is that some renames that won't have a huge impact gets more discussed than a change to medium long range turrets which will totally change the game on cruiser / BC scale. |
Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
65
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Posted - 2013.07.31 19:06:00 -
[490] - Quote
Balzac Legazou wrote:Siresa Talesi wrote:
Again, it "doesn't sound that great," because it is grammatically incorrect English! You cannot pair an adjective (multiple) with a verb (targetting)! It sounds wrong because it is wrong!
"Targeting" in that context isn't a verb, it's a noun (i.e., "the targeting of multiple targets", not "I am multiple targeting some targets"), just as "a killing" or "an opening" are nouns, although they're spelled the same way as the corresponding transitive verbs. It's perfectly fine to say something like "multiple opening strategies" (ex., in chess) or "multiple targeting systems" (ex., laser painter vs. GPS-guided bombs). But things can be correct and sound bad, and "multiple targeting" does. Anyway, looks like they've already picked a better alternative. Now if only they'd split Resource Harvesting (mining) and Resource Processing (refining) into different groups... P.S. - I agree that "Armor Layering" sounds a bit ambiguous. Maybe "Armor Plate Optimization", if you really want to get rid of "honycombing", for some reason ?
Um, "strategies" is a noun, as is "systems," so I'm not sure what you're getting at ("opening" and "targeting" in the cases you listed are adjectives). You wouldn't say "multiple strategizing", now would you?
Bad grammar is still wrong. |
Ryelek d'Entari
The 4th Legion
Here Be Dragons
91
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:21:00 -
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Time to reiterate that changing the names of the Engineering and Electronics skills is just plain silly.
Look carefully at the prereqs for all the Science T2 skills. Why would they have "CPU Management" and "Power Grid Management" (or whatever) as prereqs?
Leave those two skills alone, please. |
AstraPardus
THE INSURGENCY
The Unthinkables
274
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Posted - 2013.07.31 21:48:00 -
[492] - Quote
In the event that you havan't decided to abandon this change, allow me to again say: Please stop this madness.
We don't like it.
Every time I post is Pardy time! :3 |
Goldensaver
ArTech Expeditions
207
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:30:00 -
[493] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:We're going to leave the "Spaceship Command" skill as such for now, even if things may change in the future. Even if we do end up piloting our ships, as the new trailer sort of implies, "command" sounds better. Everything else is fine, although I don't quite get "Armor Layering," and I prefer "Acquisition" to "Management" for the targeting skills.
Acquisition would be better used in "Signature Analysis" I'd feel. Management implies the management of multiple targets, whereas acquisition implies the act of obtaining them as targets. I feel that in this case "Management" is the superior choice.
Not that I really care all too much if they change or leave "Signature Analysis". |
Violet Winters
Angelic Eclipse.
97
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:50:00 -
[494] - Quote
What ... what even .... I don't get it? .... WHY ... nope, can't be arsed -1 
Anglic Eclipse.
Lee told me to remove my signature
Minmatar and Gallente FW |
Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:13:00 -
[495] - Quote
Siresa Talesi wrote:Bad grammar is still wrong.
No, it isn't. In the expression "a killing", I suppose you think "killing" is also an adjective, or maybe a verb...? It's not, it's a noun. Likewise, it's perfectly valid to talk about "the targeting (of enemies)", or just "targeting", as a noun describing the act of targeting (verb) those enemies. And that's the context in which "targeting" was used in the original suggestion.
But this is completely off-topic; consult a dictionary if you have any doubts that "targeting" (or "killing", or "opening") can be nouns.
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Balzac Legazou
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:16:00 -
[496] - Quote
AstraPardus wrote:In the event that you havan't decided to abandon this change, allow me to again say: Please stop this madness. We don't like it.
That "we" definitely doesn't include me. A lot of the current skill names have very little connection to their actual effect, and in some cases they're downright deceptive (ex., mix-up between energy grid and capacitor skills).
The current suggestions might not be perfect (partly because the skills themselves have some illogical interdependencies), but they're certainly an improvement.
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Kerdrak
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:33:00 -
[497] - Quote
Ravcharas wrote:Quote:Electronic System: is the old GÇ£electronicsGÇ¥ group. Now only contains offense EW related skills. I'd name it Electronic Warfare Systems, then. And maybe rename the Electronic Warfare skill while you're at it.
+1
An entire group for Electronic Warfare would have sense and giving them "personality".
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Kerdrak
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
67
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:35:00 -
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Woei1988 wrote:Yes! Lets dumb eve down even more. First safety buttons and log off timers.. Now renaming stuff that's been ingame for 10 bloody years.
Suggestion: Rename Eve Online to Spoonfeed Online..
Absolutely useless this..
Btw, where's the new skill: "Eve for Dummies: 5% chance to teleport away in pvp per shot fired upon you". Might as well~
Or "Safety Button Safety: Gives another safety button for your safety button, incase you accidentally press it"
UI changes are not "dumbing down", merging all the missile skills in a single one would be. |
Nicen Jehr
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
218
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:17:00 -
[499] - Quote
I agree that Armor Honeycombing is much more descriptive than Armor Layering. It makes perfect sense already.
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:45:00 -
[500] - Quote
Nicen Jehr wrote:I agree that Armor Honeycombing is much more descriptive than Armor Layering. It makes perfect sense already.
Agreed. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.08.02 14:50:00 -
[501] - Quote
I think it'd make sense to move the targeting related skills into the same group as the offensive EWAR skills, and eliminate the separate targeting group all together.
Multiple Targeting -> Targeting
Advanced Multiple Targeting -> Advanced Targeting
The only confusion in the past was that the common usage of multitasking has nothing to do with targets. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
1621
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Posted - 2013.08.03 03:25:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium I met you at EVE Vegas last year. of the Devs you're my favorite, you seem like a fun person to be around.
as for the skill name changes, yeah, go ahead. the reasons listed make sense. except for Spaceship Piloting... Command sounds stronger.
//LOL derp that was CCP Bettik i'm thinking of.
Rainf1337 on Twitch |
Savira Terrant
EVE Corporation 1212120482
Unchained.
53
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Posted - 2013.08.03 08:09:00 -
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Kerdrak wrote:Ravcharas wrote:Quote:Electronic System: is the old GÇ£electronicsGÇ¥ group. Now only contains offense EW related skills. I'd name it Electronic Warfare Systems, then. And maybe rename the Electronic Warfare skill while you're at it. +1 An entire group for Electronic Warfare would have sense and giving them "personality".
+1 to both
Also armor layering does not make sense. If you want a descriptive skillname, call it "Reactive Armor Hardening"
I like the skillnames Target Management and Advanced Target Management. I would prefer if you would change the sheme of all advanced skill from "advanced..." to "... - Advanced"
Now also go ahead and rename Signature Analysis to "Target Aquisition".
These proposals would conviniently group these skill together in the skills list.
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Rafael Tonka
Razgriz Corporation
Nova Industrial Coalition Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2013.08.04 18:48:00 -
[504] - Quote
Dumbing down the game for the less mentally agile yet again? |
Padraig O'Mahone
Grey Area Protective Services
THE H0NEYBADGER
0
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:43:00 -
[505] - Quote
It looks like a lot of people feel the same way.
"Armor Layering" is just not a good change. It seems to imply ADDING armor and making it heavier, as opposed to HOLLOWING armor, giving it a honeycombed interior, and making it lighter which "Armor Honeycombing" describes exactly.
There is no need to change "Armor Honeycombing" at all, it immediately conveys what the skill does through the name. |
Harvey James
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
416
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:47:00 -
[506] - Quote
Padraig O'Mahone wrote:It looks like a lot of people feel the same way.
"Armor Layering" is just not a good change. It seems to imply ADDING armor and making it heavier, as opposed to HOLLOWING armor, giving it a honeycombed interior, and making it lighter which "Armor Honeycombing" describes exactly.
There is no need to change "Armor Honeycombing" at all, it immediately conveys what the skill does through the name.
also there is a mod called layered plating in the game that adds armour HP .. but they are crap so he probably forgot they existed
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name
AB's need a buff-á like a big mass reduction ... module tiercide FTW role based instead of tiers please. |
Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:56:00 -
[507] - Quote
Balzac Legazou wrote:Siresa Talesi wrote:Bad grammar is still wrong. No, it isn't. In the expression "a killing", I suppose you think "killing" is also an adjective, or maybe a verb...? It's not, it's a noun. Likewise, it's perfectly valid to talk about "the targeting (of enemies)", or just "targeting", as a noun describing the act of targeting (verb) those enemies. And that's the context in which "targeting" was used in the original suggestion. But this is completely off-topic; consult a dictionary if you have any doubts that "targeting" (or "killing", or "opening") can be nouns.
You're listing unique cases where a word that is typically a verb can also be a noun; "targeting" is not one of those cases. The exception does not disprove the rule. Still wrong, still bad grammer. |
Moneta Curran
Lunar Industries Ltd
128
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:13:00 -
[508] - Quote
I'd really rather see you invest your time in something else.
Especially since the outcome is cringe worthy.
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Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
299
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Posted - 2013.08.05 21:34:00 -
[509] - Quote
I hope to god that there's no future plans to turn eve into some third person flight sim where the players pilot the ship console style as implied in the 'space ship piloting' former name change, not to mention recent promo from CCP.
They would have been better showing the pilot attached to the pod, hanging limply in pod goo, it's much more intriguing and better sci fi than the recent promo.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
636
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:42:00 -
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My God.....CCP, what is WRONG with you people ?
This is completely pointless and adds nothing. Why donGÇÖt you spend your time fixing stuff that is broken, and not just sit there trying to thinking up the next pointless thing to do.
FFS fix broken stuff before messing with things that DO NOT need fixing.
Jeez.
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