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Goody Twoshoes Virpio Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:25:00 - [1291] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: Goody Twoshoes Virpio wrote: Viewed in isolation this might be seen as fair, but in relation to all other hac changes it's still a nerf. Yeah. That must be why Ishtar went up 30 mill in jita right after announcing round 2 of rebalance. Because it got nerfed What happened to the price of other HACs? We are comparing HAC vs HAC here, not the overall utility of a HAC. I fully understand (as does every other drone-ship jockey) the value of the inherent tracking and range bonuses that have been proposed. Ishtars will be in demand for mission running as they always have been, because of the bonus to sentries. My post is about relative solo pvp utility, and I am keen to see that the ishtar's utility for that purpose is not downgraded. The current changes, in my view, threaten that. Because the ability to field/counter a neut is far more important than a few dps from your drones.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 653	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:26:00 - [1292] - Quote http://notorious.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18897640 http://notorious.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18897804 They are littered with dual Vexor kills though. Edit, looks like linking does not work. Copy/paste the text to the browser.
Goody Twoshoes Virpio Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:30:00 - [1293] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: http://notorious.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18897640 http://notorious.killmail.org/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=18897804 They are littered with dual Vexor kills though. Edit, looks like linking does not work. Copy/paste the text to the browser. It's always nice to see a drake go down in flames - nice kill
HiddenPorpoise BG-1 The Craniac 37	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:32:00 - [1294] - Quote Drop bouncers at 100k and turn the MWD on and orbit at 7k. You are now hitting with 700 dps from a freaking cruiser 100k out. The Ishtar is getting bonuses to how most people used them.
Goody Twoshoes Virpio Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:42:00 - [1295] - Quote HiddenPorpoise wrote: Drop bouncers at 100k and turn the MWD on and orbit at 7k. You are now hitting with 700 dps from a freaking cruiser 100k out. The Ishtar is getting bonuses to how most people used them. I agree that the ishtar is getting a boost, as are all HACs. The strategy you offer as an example only works in a fixed emplacement like a gate when you are in a gang and other people have tackle. If you try this solo, your target will be gone before you're anywhere near enough to tackle him. My post is specifically about the fact that the solo pvp capability of the ishtar has been compromised by this proposal as it is now overly vulnerable to neutralisers (as is the vexor, thorax, deimos etc). This leaves a gallente pilot with no cruiser hull capable of withstanding anyone with a neutraliser (everyone else) unless he takes a vexor navy issue or sacrifices 25% of his blaster dps. On a side note, there are literally zero gallente cruisers that do turret DPS and have a utility slot. For that you need to trade up to the brutix. This is a shame, and in my view an oversight.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 653	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:50:00 - [1296] - Quote Learn to fit Autocannons on your unbonused Hybrid hulls. [NEW Ishtar, solo brawl] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Scrambler II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Tracking Speed Disruption Script Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Dual 180mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Ogre II x5 835 dps They are dead before you run out of cap. I have killed Falcons solo with Vexor while permajammed. Just bump them out of alignment and let the drones do their thing
HiddenPorpoise BG-1 The Craniac 37	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:52:00 - [1297] - Quote None of the ranged HACs work very well solo, that wouldn't matter but the Deimos(t) sucks. Using a neut on a Ishtar isn't a good idea most of the time because it doesn't need to use as much cap as what is neuting it in most cases. Just because it's a Gallente ship doesn't mean you need to run active tank.
Goody Twoshoes Virpio Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate 0	Posted - 2013.08.02 10:58:00 - [1298] - Quote Hannott Thanos wrote: Learn to fit Autocannons on your unbonused Hybrid hulls. [NEW Ishtar, solo brawl] I have killed Falcons solo with Vexor while permajammed. Just bump them out of alignment and let the drones do their thing It's a sweet fit, I'll give you that. But without an armour repairer I fear it's dead to a vagabond. I don't know whether there's another way, but the way I counter vagas when in a slower ship is just to burn for them continuously. Eventually they either warp out or run out of cap, at which point they're dead. Having said that, I guess a set of gardes will keep a vaga frightened, since they now have a tracking and range bonus - are these ships on sisi yet?
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 654	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:03:00 - [1299] - Quote Goody Twoshoes Virpio wrote: It's a sweet fit, I'll give you that. But without an armour repairer I fear it's dead to a vagabond. I don't know whether there's another way, but the way I counter vagas when in a slower ship is just to burn for them continuously. Eventually they either warp out or run out of cap, at which point they're dead. Having said that, I guess a set of gardes will keep a vaga frightened, since they now have a tracking and range bonus - are these ships on sisi yet? Danny John-Peter would have a word with you. The new Vaga apparently cant kill anything, so I'm good I guess. Not on Sisi afaik. Dropping Gardes and then flying off is a great tactic. Either he will be too far from you and the drones to do or take any damage, or he will be close to you and take full Garde damage and/or get tackled.
Enthes goldhart The Generic Pirate Corporation Fusion. 12	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:31:00 - [1300] - Quote I love most of these changes, especially the sensor strength increase. I feel the deimos still needs its utility high for nos so it can brawl without its guns getting turned off.


CCP Rise C C P C C P Alliance 1934	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:19:00 - [1301] - Quote Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours.

Corporal Cina Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild 1	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:23:00 - [1302] - Quote Hope you feel better. now get to work!
Lucien Cain Twilight Phoenix Rising Inc. 10	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:24:00 - [1303] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. And there we were, thinking that you completely forgot about us. Take your time to read, you spare yourself a lot of Trouble afterwards.
Phoenix Jones Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 136	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:24:00 - [1304] - Quote You have any method if addressing the isk spike of these ships. They've jumped from 140 million to 200 million and they haven't been released yet. The same with the command ships. Yes people are speculating on both the value and the increased mineral and moongoop these ships will cost
Chi'Nane T'Kal Interminatus Aeterna Anima 125	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:33:00 - [1305] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: You have any method if addressing the isk spike of these ships. They've jumped from 140 million to 200 million and they haven't been released yet. The same with the command ships. Yes people are speculating on both the value and the increased mineral and moongoop these ships will cost People always are. And often enough prices will drop right back to where they were or maybe slightly above that.
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 654	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:33:00 - [1306] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. Hannott Thanos wrote: nikar galvren wrote: The new threads on Command Ships, Gang links & local reps confirm that CCP has abandoned this thread. Basically EVERY time you people say this, a day or two later, a dev comes in and announces that he has read every post since his last response. Your "CCP has abandoned the thread" is getting old. Status: [ ] Not told [X] Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [x] World of Warcraft: Catoldclysm [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] AssassinGÇÖs Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modern Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destruction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacarnia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Super Told Boy [X] Left 4 Told [X] Battoldfield: Bad Company 2 [x] Toldman Sachs [X] ConkerGÇÖs Bad Fur Day: Live and Retolded [x] Lead and Told: Gangs of the Wild West [x] Portold 2 [x] Avatold: The Last Airbender [X] Dragon Ball Z Toldkaichi Budokai [x] Toldcraft II: Tolds of Toldberty [x] Leo Toldstoy [x] Metal Gear Toldid 3: Snake Eater [X] 3D Dot Told Heroes [x] J.R.R ToldkienGÇÖs Lord of the Told [x] Told you that ps3 has no games [X] LitTOLD Big Planet [x] Rome: Toldal War [x] Gran Toldrismo 5 [x] Told Calibur 4 [x] Told Fortress 2 [x] Castlevania: RonTold of Blood [x] Guilty Gear XX Accent Told [x] Cyndaquil, Chicorita, and Toldodile [x] was foretold [x] demonGÇÖs told [x] http//:www.youtold.com [x] Tolden Sun: Dark Dawn [x] Tic-Tac-Told [X] Biotold 2 [X] Toldbound [x] icetold [x] Told of the Rings
Lallante Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 379	Posted - 2013.08.02 12:33:00 - [1307] - Quote Dear CCP Rise. Please address this point: COST! Many thanks Lall
Pertuabo Enkidgan Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 44	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:09:00 - [1308] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. CCP Rise wrote: barfing Weakling!
Edward Olmops Sirius Fleet Cerberus Unleashed 87	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:12:00 - [1309] - Quote Lallante wrote: Dear CCP Rise. Please address this point: COST! Many thanks Lall Go mining. Things will get cheaper, but you will earn less than the miners did before you started.
Makoto Priano Priano Trans-Stellar State Services 3332	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:19:00 - [1310] - Quote Lallante wrote: Dear CCP Rise. Please address this point: COST! Many thanks Lall Do you mean-- how the speculators are speculating, and this is causing a price spike? As it always does? Prices will settle back to equilibrium soon enough.

MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1191	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:22:00 - [1311] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. i too got sick at the second version of hacs.... j/k hope you are feeling better and are able to address the shortfalls of certain ships There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Phoenix Jones Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking 136	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:34:00 - [1312] - Quote Makoto Priano wrote: Lallante wrote: Dear CCP Rise. Please address this point: COST! Many thanks Lall Do you mean-- how the speculators are speculating, and this is causing a price spike? As it always does? Prices will settle back to equilibrium soon enough. And that equilibrium is??
Hannott Thanos Notorious Legion 654	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:39:00 - [1313] - Quote Phoenix Jones wrote: Makoto Priano wrote: Lallante wrote: Dear CCP Rise. Please address this point: COST! Many thanks Lall Do you mean-- how the speculators are speculating, and this is causing a price spike? As it always does? Prices will settle back to equilibrium soon enough. And that equilibrium is?? This much
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1191	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:45:00 - [1314] - Quote can you please do us a favour? make the 7.5% armor bonus also include a cap activation reduction too! that would make the bonus actually usefull thanks There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Marcel Devereux Aideron Robotics 277	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:48:00 - [1315] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. New suggestion for the Deimos. Change the slot layout to 4-4-7 and increase the damage bonuses to 7.5% and change the cap bonus to a armor rep bonus. This would reduce the effective turrets to 7 from 7.5 and let us active tank this ship very nicely.
Deacon Abox Justified Chaos 164	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:50:00 - [1316] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. Did you eat the wrong thing or was it a flu? Hope it fully clears up soon. Anyway, back to the complaints , just some general complaint, because I've already listed my specific ones. On Gallente ships thanks for the increasing shift to structure hp. It will come in very useful with my reinforced bulkheads and overheated DC fits. Also, how about giving sentry drones a mwd for returning to the ship. Fine if they only move 1 m/sec if shooting. And some more hp for drones in general. Really sucks to throw isk out the drone undock every time I fight, even if I win, which is rare. Oh, also love the ability to overheat my drones against all the hookbills and condors (soon to be Cerbs) edit - Dev hax because you sniped the page 2nd edit - even after being sick
MeBiatch Republic University Minmatar Republic 1191	Posted - 2013.08.02 13:51:00 - [1317] - Quote Marcel Devereux wrote: CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours. New suggestion for the Deimos. Change the slot layout to 4-4-7 and increase the damage bonuses to 7.5% and change the cap bonus to a armor rep bonus. This would reduce the effective turrets to 7 from 7.5 and let us active tank this ship very nicely. it would have to be rate of fire. damage bonus would not replace the lost dps. but yeah i would love to see that happen. also to make the armor bonus also reduce cap activation cost. it only makes sense that when you get better at the ship skill you can get more out of the mod and active it more efficiantly There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Hybrid tech I ammo boost
Broxus Maximas Shadow State Fatal Ascension 15	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:22:00 - [1318] - Quote Really like the new Gallente changes well done! Now if you would only also give the Heavy Drone Speed bonus to the Domi things would be great in my world.
Kethry Avenger PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 79	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:41:00 - [1319] - Quote Just my 2 cents. Hope your feeling better. I think cost is a big problem with the balance of the ships. Overall the stats are good, just limited by other options for cost. I would prefer RLML instead of HML on the Sacrilege or all three of course. Thanks
Baren Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda 52	Posted - 2013.08.02 14:50:00 - [1320] - Quote CCP Rise wrote: Hi guys Sorry I've been away. Been out of the office for two days because of barfing etc. I'm behind on the thread so I'm going to get caught up today and respond to some of the common points in a few hours.



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