I'd much rather see the ship get a midslot, lose the tracking bonus, lose some of the armor HP granted in the most recent proposal and then gain a 10% armor hp per level in place of the tracking bonus.

Also, 7.5% to rof would be so hilariously overpowered.

It's pretty obvious that they wanted to avoid giving it a sentry bonus because sentries are flavor of the month

Sux that there is no combination of Armor and Skirmish. :(

There were a bunch of changes recently specifically geared toward increasing the mobility of armor. e.g. AAR, 800/400mm plate mass reductions, removal of speed penalties for active rigs, etc etc.

So what ship exactly is it I'm supposed to FC in for AHAC again? You know, the ones I'm wanting to give Armor and Skirmish links to?

I 'get' flavor differences between races etc etc, but why aren't these just '3% bonus to warfare links'...

So the general Idea I'm hearing is an Eos with:

300 drone bay

100 bandwidth

+1 drone controlled per level
+ 10% to drone mwd speed and tracking

+ 10% to HP and drone damage
+ 10% to Armor HP

Would top out just under 800 dps with 10 medium drones, 3 DDAs and perfect skills, but lets face it, mediums are really easy to pop....and it's still under the dps of an Astarte by a long shot.

The funny thing about medium drones, is they do exactly 1/2 the damage of a large drone. So 10 medium drones do the exact same damage as 5 large drones just not as much HP as large drones.

Yes, but they're also twice as fast and better tracking.

and with 10 drones, you can mix in some neuts/webs/ecm drones effectively to compensate for the lost slot.

Perhaps the new local rep buffs have not made it onto the test server? If so, perhaps when that's fixed these ships have half a chance of being useful, but to be honest it does not look like they will.

b0rked, unuasble. All that design effort is wasted. These ships will sit on the market gathering dust.

For the record, I used the 2 utility highs for nosferatus to top up the aneamic cap recharger. This is the only way to run 2 armour repairers. Fitting just 1 armour rep means a certain and swift death. I used to use this trick for the ishtar - of course now I can't so the ishtar can't self rep any more (it used to be ok at this).

Nighthawk
"Slot layout: 7 H, 5 M, 5 L , 2 turrets (+1), 5 Launchers (-1)"

So... anyone wanna buy my Nighthawk?

My fit is now screwed... even with the increase for missile skills the loss of a launcher kills it, not its not fit for SOLO... OR Fleet comps... like many other's have said, Caldari gets the shaft once again

Just got on Sisi to test the Eos.

Fozzie, could you explain the point of the hybrid tracking bonus when your ship only has four turrets? Also, even with a speed bonus, the heavies are still hilariously slow, and rather easy to kill.

Combined with the limited dronebay (unless your enemies are new to this game, you're going to lose a lot of heavies, fast), I don't really understand the point of making the Eos a weaker brawler when compared to the Astarte. Rather, shouldn't it be give a different role?

Or something more interesting, like perhaps the ability to field more drones per level, as someone else mentioned in this thread.

Perhaps give a double bonus, replacing the hybrid tracking with another 7.5% to Heavy Drone speed and perhaps RoF?

Haven't seen a bonus for drone RoF, so it'd be something new at least :p

Let's just agree overall these changes are slightly underwhelming, I'm still a cites about what will happen to them but for the most part I'm worried about these ships, sleipnir will most likely continue to rule, Astarte will have its role, same with vulte(only for large fleets as a booster) and damnation for basically the same thing, claymore needs a small damage buff and nighthawk needs another mid(I forget how it's dps is), abso should get a tracking bonus instead of te cap bonus, vulture should have one optimal range bonus changed to 5% damage and optimal, and eos needs it stolen slot back, or much better bonuses(change turret tracking to 5% heavy drone damage and hp.... Which puts it still weaker than an Astarte but atleast comparable..... Still rather see a 5/5/7 eos tho, basically a giant myrm.... Well, t2 myrm)
We are moving in the right direction with the changes but still a little ways to go

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Theres no justification for an extra 2 slots for tank on this hull , it has no more need for tank than other commands.

The Astarte and Eos suffer from having to use medium armour reppers for their tank, while the shield ships can use an x-large ASB (a battleship module).

The disparity in performance is so wide that even if the Eos has 2 more slots available to it, it would die in flames to shield ships every time.

I am now more convinced than ever that ill-conceived ASB needs to go, and active tanking armour ships need a bonus slot just to compete.

There is certainly no place for active armour tanking bonuses on the command ships as they currently stand. It is simply not a viable setup.

The Astarte and Eos suffer from having to use medium armour reppers for their tank, while the shield ships can use an x-large ASB (a battleship module).

The disparity in performance is so wide that even if the Eos has 2 more slots available to it, it would die in flames to shield ships every time.

I am now more convinced than ever that ill-conceived ASB needs to go, and active tanking armour ships need a bonus slot just to compete.

There is certainly no place for active armour tanking bonuses on the command ships as they currently stand. It is simply not a viable setup.

If the 1600mm goes, then the XL shield booster goes, the shield amps go, and the passive shield recharge goes... armor doesn't have any equivalent....

Great logic there, right?

As for the Nighthawk, the loss of bonus to RLML's kills it for me.
The PG on the Nighthawk is so terrible its almost impossible to fit it without RLML, which actually made it useful against frigates.
And with all the recent drawbacks to Heavy missiles theres just no way I would fit one ever again.

I buried my Drake after the changes to HM, now I have to bury my Nighthawk along with it.