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Daemeon Fyral
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:34:00 -
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Huehuehue wrote: You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you?
Actually... yes, yes I do say that, and I think that as well... if you wander into a bad part of town (its fairly well known which those are) then you are agreeing to certain risks. when you play eve which is well known to be a HTFU kind of game then you are agreeing to those same risks.
Same as when you enter a nightclub you inherently agree to the possibility of a patdown if that particular club has them in effect. If such behavior is par for the course in a particular environment then by entering said environment you are accepting the possibility of said behavior.
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rodyas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
16
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:37:00 -
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Who said I left them at the door? Still flying around with my bible in my pod, and 10 commandments poster on my CQ wall. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
30
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:45:00 -
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Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying.
You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:19:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 why don't you answer some of the questions I asked? Karl did and the discussion actually made *some* headway. He made some good and interesting points. You, however, seem incapable of moving past posting platitudes. 1: I have already answered your question directly. To repeat myself... No, I would be at most slightly irritated if a friend in real life put one over on me and zapped my assets. Just as I would not take it overly seriously if he broke a non-aggression pact in RISK, or successfully bluffed me in Poker. It is the nature of the GAME, and has zero reflection on his behavior in reality. You have pointedly ignored that response for the last several pages of this thread, even when it was directly pointed out that I had answered you. Which brings me to my second point.... You did not say that. Instead you quoted my question and then volunteered that your best friend and your wife and son "kicked your ass in this game." So I asked what you meant because it was unclear if that statment really addressed the question I put to you. That scenario is one where they specifically tell you, you can trust them and they then take all your assets - about 50 billion worth so that they do not need to pay a subscription any more. If you are now indicating that in fact happened to you (and that is how your best friend "kicked your ass") I am sorry for you. Not because of billions of eve assets but because your "best" friend is not a very good friend at all. Just my opinion.
Responding only to point out that I was not referring to that post, I was referring to the one after that.
The one you keep ignoring.
And it's apparent you've never actually had a friend. 
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
60
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:20:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game.
Very few people are roleplaying here. A lot of them are playing the person they really are and that person is not the happy smiling face they show to their family, friends or superiors but the ugly bastard they have hidden behind it. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
929
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:23:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Karl Planck wrote:Cearain wrote:
Seriously you may want to tell some of your coworkers that you pretend to make friends on teamspeak or vent with people in order to take their stuff. Tell them that way you don't have to pay a subscription fee or grind missions to pay for your pvp. They may *say* things like oh yeah thats interesting or even how cool that is. But I can tell you I would not be the only one who would think you are not trustworthy.
can't resist. I have. Had a huge heist a while ago. Told me boss, my wife, friends (got a few into the game from the story), even my mom. You know what every person I have ever told response to it was? Laughter. Everyone thought it was funny. They also thought it was funny that people got so heated about this. You can label it immoral all you want but you would just be again reaffirming my point. The RPG community might take sympathy on this, everyone else is just laughing at how serious you are taking it. What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
Many competitive games involve an element of trickery and deception to a greater or lesser degree. Why should anyone be more upset about this happening in EVE than in a game of Poker or Risk? If you played a game of Risk with your friends and lost because 2 of them made a secret deal to combine against you whilst both pretending to ally with you, would you stop being friends with them? It sounds like you would.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:24:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Why do people keep trying to associate game play with real life?
THIS IS A GAME. If you are playing the game within the rules, then what is the issue?
If you are having trouble disassociating real life actions with in-game ones, then it's time to re-evaluate your own mental condition.
Either turn off the PC and take some time off, or accept it's a game and being played as designed.
I think the problem begins with the people that don't actually have a real life.
EVE is all they have, so they try to bring the rest of their baggage on board with them.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
929
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:25:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game. Very few people are roleplaying here. A lot of them are playing the person they really are and that person is not the happy smiling face they show to their family, friends or superiors but the ugly bastard they have hidden behind it.
Well you got me. No point pretending any longer - when I'm not at work or playing EVE, I join up with 50 or 60 friends and we drive around looking for other drivers to murder and vehicles to destroy and loot. That's who I really am. There: I said it.
Actually, you've done me a huge favour - it's such a relief to come out into the open and say it out loud.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
30
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:28:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game. Very few people are roleplaying here. A lot of them are playing the person they really are and that person is not the happy smiling face they show to their family, friends or superiors but the ugly bastard they have hidden behind it.
Wrong, everyone is roleplaying here.
Unless you are delusional enough to think that you can actually do the stuff you can do in the game.
Everyone is playing the role of a pilot (or several) able to fly spaceships.
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Barbelo Valentinian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:33:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game.
The problem with this is that lots of people who behave "badly" in EVE aren't roleplaying a "bad" person in -game (e.g.a pirate), they're being themselves, doing something deliberately to annoy other people in real life, through the medium of a game.
i.e. they're griefing. EVE is, notoriously, a "griefer's paradise".
Look at it this way, supposing there was a way in which you could guarantee that every gank, every kill, in EVE was done IC - that everyone at least made some attempt at playing a role in the game. Not asking for "serious" RP, but just some attempt to get into the spirit of the game as a s-f virtual world that you pretend is real for fun.
Would there be a problem?
I doubt anybody would see a problem - then it really would be a roleplaying game.
And indeed for many people who play EVE, that's what it's like, for both "good" roleplayers and "bad".
But the trouble is, the very same mechanism that allows people to play the role of "bad" pirate or whatever, also allows people to come into the game without any concern for roleplaying, to do things solely to annoy other players for laughs. They may feel they're playing a game (and of course functionally they are) but they're not really playing a roleplaying game, they're just griefing. You even see comments in this thread - many people don't take the roleplaying seriously at all, and are amazed that others take it seriously, and laugh at it. (Or do they? Perhaps they're just covering their asses - they're too embarrassed to admit that they enjoy roleplaying spaceship pilots, so they have to pretend, all macho-like, that they don't take it seriously  )
Anyway, I reckon that many people who are pissed off about being ganked in EVE are NOT pissed off about being ganked by people who are playing a "bad" role - THAT would be ok, THAT would be in the spirit of the game.
They're more pissed off that the ganking is a form of mockery directed at the player, using the game rules as a medium, rather than being a form of player-made content in the role of "evil", directed at the roleplayed character.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
11
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:34:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game. Very few people are roleplaying here. A lot of them are playing the person they really are and that person is not the happy smiling face they show to their family, friends or superiors but the ugly bastard they have hidden behind it. Well you got me. No point pretending any longer - when I'm not at work or playing EVE, I join up with 50 or 60 friends and we drive around looking for other drivers to murder and vehicles to destroy and loot. That's who I really am. There: I said it. Actually, you've done me a huge favour - it's such a relief to come out into the open and say it out loud.
lol
But I think he has a point in general.
EVE is like the comments section on news sites. Anonymous people show you who they REALLY are when there are no consequences. So the mild mannered wouldn't hurt a fly IT guy who got bullied as a child can be the world class A-hole he really wanted to be in the comments section...or in EVE or any other online game.
This is why I take the smack talking I get in game with a grain of salt. In real life I'm a 6'3 240 pound big guy who has a love of both power lifting and amateur MMA fighting, I know that 99% of the smack talkers/griefers/gankers/GOONS (lol) would not be saying that stuff to my face lol.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
146
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Posted - 2011.11.01 13:37:00 -
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Jenn, that is not what you whispered in my ear last night.
I feel hurt now.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
932
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:04:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game. The problem with this is that lots of people who behave "badly" in EVE aren't roleplaying a "bad" person in -game (e.g.a pirate), they're being themselves, doing something deliberately to annoy other people in real life, through the medium of a game.
No they're not.
(It's true because I asserted it without offering any proof!)
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
932
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Malcanis wrote:Deviana Sevidon wrote:Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game. Very few people are roleplaying here. A lot of them are playing the person they really are and that person is not the happy smiling face they show to their family, friends or superiors but the ugly bastard they have hidden behind it. Well you got me. No point pretending any longer - when I'm not at work or playing EVE, I join up with 50 or 60 friends and we drive around looking for other drivers to murder and vehicles to destroy and loot. That's who I really am. There: I said it. Actually, you've done me a huge favour - it's such a relief to come out into the open and say it out loud. lol But I think he has a point in general. EVE is like the comments section on news sites. Anonymous people show you who they REALLY are when there are no consequences. So the mild mannered wouldn't hurt a fly IT guy who got bullied as a child can be the world class A-hole he really wanted to be in the comments section...or in EVE or any other online game. This is why I take the smack talking I get in game with a grain of salt. In real life I'm a 6'3 240 pound big guy who has a love of both power lifting and amateur MMA fighting, I know that 99% of the smack talkers/griefers/gankers/GOONS (lol) would not be saying that stuff to my face lol.
I'm much nicer on the forums than I am in RL.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
220
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:06:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:
I have more than once trusted the player himself with my account name and password because I had to update my queue and couldn't get to a game client.
protip:
don't admit to bannable offenses on the forums 
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Barakkus
986
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:09:00 -
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It is fun to shoot people. |
Ana Vyr
100
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:19:00 -
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CCP wants this atmosphere we've got in EvE, where the vicious and sociopathic can do what they please to a large degree. CCP thinks it makes their game hardcore and cool.
Can't say I agree with them, but I play along because it's a cool game otherwise. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:27:00 -
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Now that we've covered the unlikely example of your "RL best friend back stabbing you in EVE", lets go on to a more common situation. The total stranger chatting you up and then betraying you, or the random ganker.
These are usually two different types of players you are likely to meet, so we'lll divide it up.
The Random Ganker:
As a general rule this type of person view's EVE in a very superficial way. They often are not interested in the deeper playstyles or content available. They view it as a big game of Counter Strike and look for targets of opportunity when ever and where ever they can. They don't invest emotionally in the game and could care less if you do, to them the objective is to score as many kills as possible any way they can.
This is a completely valid playstyle, just as it is in any other competetive game you could care to mention.
The Corp Thief or Infiltrator:
This type of player is operating on a deeper level than the Random Ganker. He has a goal and the challenge for him is to attain that goal using his intellect by any means possible. To him, EVE is as much a social networking challenge as much as anything else.
His goal is usually either financial (he wants to amass a fortune quickly by any means necessary) or his goal is political (he wants to take YOUR fortune and thereby put you at a disadvantage in other area's of the game).
This too is a valid playstyle, as these goals are encouraged strongly in this game. The victim is equally aware that this is a valid playstyle in the game and his goal is to successfully defend himself from these threats.
Interestingly, we hear no complaints when any of the types of play above are thwarted. Instead there is much excitement and loud boasting. Often, stopping the above players is considered to be the highlight of a persons EVE career.
Perhaps you should think about that for a moment.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
934
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:31:00 -
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Barbelo Valentinian wrote:
They're more pissed off that the ganking is a form of mockery directed at the player, using the game rules as a medium, rather than being a form of player-made content in the role of "evil", directed at the roleplayed character.
Yes, if there's one thing that real evil people are concerned about, it's making sure that they don't hurt anyone's feelings when they going around doing all that evil evilling that they evilly do. Gloating, mocking, laughing cruelly while engaging in wanton destruction for its own sake - these are all signs of someone who's just not really committed to properly portraying evil.
An air of solemn - almost austere - dignity, together with strong focus on teamwork to achieve constructive goals that benefit tjhe whole comminity - that is the mark of the properly played evil character.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:31:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Cearain wrote:
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
What you constantly seem to fail to grasp the the concept of roleplaying. You aren't actually able to fly around in spaceships, you are playing that role in a roleplaying game.
I do understand roleplaying. If people were really roleplaying than this would be a defense. Call it the "roleplaying defense." But the thing is a conversation where you are discussing the game eve and agreeing that we will not steal the assets of the other person in that game is not role play. "Cearain" would not be talking ot "Lors Dornick" about an eve game. That is the problem.
Now again I do not say that its impossible to justify lying to others with the role play defense. I'm just making a few points.
1) its not so clear that when I talk to someone on vent using our real life names and talking about real life stuff as well as what we will do in "the game eve" that we are roleplaying.
2) There is a difference between talking about a game and what we will do in a game and talking "in game." If I tell a friend that I will not take his stuff in the game eve online I am not pretending I am "cearain" telling him that.
Hence the lines are blurred.
I can't answer for everyone. I can only say think for yourself. Are you lying to people in game because you are role playing a character that is very evil and you are just doing that as best you can? Or are you lying to people online so you can take their stuff and save money on subscriptions and/or personally benefit from not having to run missions.
Take for example a stupid scams that you see in contracts over and over. Someone will list a "Navy raven" and what they actually listed was a plain raven. Or maybe they say the list a set of implants as a full crystal set but the omega implant is a grail implant. Or maybe they list 2 betas instead of an epsilon. Are these people doing this because they are "roleplaying" a bad guy or are they doing this for personal real life gain of not having to grind missions or saving money on subscriptions? Does it matter that they recycle characters to keep putting these contracts up - or is it still roleplay?
I'm not saying this is conduct is horrible. I'm just saying its not clear that the roleplay defense really works here.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Solo Player
52
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:31:00 -
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My own feelings on this aside, it is quite fascinating:
- how fervently some gankers seem to need to justfy their actions faced with the moral question why exactly they enjoy other players' tears so much...
- while some carebears suddenly quote the great philosophers to avoid explaining why they suffer such profound loss at the destruction of a purely virtual spaceship in a game they purportedly play for fun!
It makes me wonder: If EVE really is just a game for you, no more, why do any of you care so much at all?
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:38:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Now that we've covered the unlikely example of your "RL best friend back stabbing you in EVE", lets go on to a more common situation.
Why is this going to be unlikely? Is it unlikely that your real life best friend would bluff you in poker?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:54:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Now that we've covered the unlikely example of your "RL best friend back stabbing you in EVE", lets go on to a more common situation. Why is this going to be unlikely? Is it unlikely that your real life best friend would bluff you in poker?
Do you think it's a common occurance?
It's perfectly acceptable for this to happen in EVE if that is the type of relationship you have with your best friend, but you have tried to base extensive trolling on this fairly uncommon example.
Back in your box.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
10
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Posted - 2011.11.01 14:58:00 -
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Honestly if your best friends does a grab and run on you in EVE, he isn't your best friend.
It's not quite like bluffing in poker or cheating at Monopoly, the time invested in a MMORPG is huge. It would be a **** move to ruin many months of your friend's efforts 4 no raisins, no? |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:10:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Now that we've covered the unlikely example of your "RL best friend back stabbing you in EVE", lets go on to a more common situation. Why is this going to be unlikely? Is it unlikely that your real life best friend would bluff you in poker? Do you think it's a common occurance? It's perfectly acceptable for this to happen in EVE if that is the type of relationship you have with your best friend, but you have tried to base extensive trolling on this fairly uncommon example. Back in your box.
Yes I bet best friends bluff eachother in poker all the time.
Oh, I guess, you want to know if its common for people backstab real life friends in eve allot.
Well thats different isn't it?
Why is it different?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:11:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Honestly if your best friends does a grab and run on you in EVE, he isn't your best friend.
It's not quite like bluffing in poker or cheating at Monopoly, the time invested in a MMORPG is huge. It would be a **** move to ruin many months of your friend's efforts 4 no raisins, no?
That would depend entirely on your relationship with your best friend and how competetive it is. For many guys, who have been buddies for years, it would be the source of much amusement (once the yelling stopped).
Also, losing all of your assets in EVE ruins absolutely nothing unless you place a disproportionate value on non-existant items that don't belong to you to begin with.
Most people play this game for fun.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
183
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:13:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Now that we've covered the unlikely example of your "RL best friend back stabbing you in EVE", lets go on to a more common situation. Why is this going to be unlikely? Is it unlikely that your real life best friend would bluff you in poker? Do you think it's a common occurance? It's perfectly acceptable for this to happen in EVE if that is the type of relationship you have with your best friend, but you have tried to base extensive trolling on this fairly uncommon example. Back in your box. Yes I bet best friends bluff eachother in poker all the time. Oh, I guess, you want to know if its common for people backstab real life friends in eve allot. Well thats different isn't it? Why is it different?
It isn't any different, I never said it was. It's simply less common, primarily because it takes longer to set up.
Nice try though.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:20:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Honestly if your best friends does a grab and run on you in EVE, he isn't your best friend.
It's not quite like bluffing in poker or cheating at Monopoly, the time invested in a MMORPG is huge. It would be a **** move to ruin many months of your friend's efforts 4 no raisins, no? That would depend entirely on your relationship with your best friend and how competetive it is. For many guys, who have been buddies for years, it would be the source of much amusement (once the yelling stopped). Also, losing all of your assets in EVE ruins absolutely nothing unless you place a disproportionate value on non-existant items that don't belong to you to begin with. Most people play this game for fun.
There is a difference between placing a disproportionate value on something and saying the value is completely non-existant. You value your internet spaceship assets. If you didn't you likely wouldn't play at all. If you didn't value the assets, to some extent, then there would be no excitment in the game.
I value my internet spaceship assets at somewhat less then the cost to buy them with plexes. So yeah when I lose something expensive I feel it. I don't go crazy and rage at everyone like an idiot. But yes there is some value of what was lost.
You keep wanting things to be black and white but they aren't. You want to claim the internet spaceships have absolutely no value. You also want to claim that anything you do remotely relating to eve couldn't possibly mean you are a ____ in real life.
Your mind seems unable to grasp certain subtle distinctions that blur these lines.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
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Posted - 2011.11.01 15:21:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:
Actually, you've done me a huge favour - it's such a relief to come out into the open and say it out loud.
Now if we can get you to come out into the open and address that other issue of yours. *wink wink nudge nudge*
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
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Ranger 1 wrote:Krios Ahzek wrote:Honestly if your best friends does a grab and run on you in EVE, he isn't your best friend.
It's not quite like bluffing in poker or cheating at Monopoly, the time invested in a MMORPG is huge. It would be a **** move to ruin many months of your friend's efforts 4 no raisins, no? That would depend entirely on your relationship with your best friend and how competetive it is. For many guys, who have been buddies for years, it would be the source of much amusement (once the yelling stopped). Also, losing all of your assets in EVE ruins absolutely nothing unless you place a disproportionate value on non-existant items that don't belong to you to begin with. Most people play this game for fun.
I distinctly remember Diablo 2 item scamming ruining a few friendships in my social circle back when we were 12 years old.
Stealing all the stuff I've spent two year accumulating by playing with my best friend creates true grief, in that ruins the fun that I can have in Eve. After the yelling stopped, it would be hard to trust that guy just as much as BEFORE the **** move. Friend or not, trustless abusive relationships suck. Why would your ''friend'' do this except to **** you off? (Assuming he already has access to the corp hangar). I don't have time to waste with idiots who can't see how pissing off your best friend for no reason is a bad idea. |
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