I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".

If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw?

Sigh, why fw mate, WHY



Yes, your gain in game. Its a form of tactical advantage.

How would you ever prove this? Outside of meeting someone outside the game and getting to know them there is no way that I know of.

I will ask YOU what I have asked a few ppl now and NO ONE WILL ANSWER ME.


Lets say you have known one of your corp mates for a great deal of time. They have always been an upstanding corp mate and help you out when you need, are polite on voice coms and are generally pleasent to be around. Would you, having only you in game knowledge of them...

1) Ask them to watch over your kids when your out of town?

2) Invest in a business venture of theirs?

3) Put them as a guardian of your kids in the lack of any other relatives being able to do so (as in over a foster home)?

4) Let them house sit for you?

5) Let them borrow your car?

Please, I really would like to know.

Granted I'm still realatively new in the Universe but...

I'm not about to go around looking for someone to screw with just becuase... I'm partial to having goals for the mayhem I am going to take part in. Ganking some poor bastard in HS or dropping on the same poor bastard in LS for the fun of it just seems pointless and somewhat cruel and unecessary.

That being said I've been jumped in the WH on more than one occasion and I don't begrduge the tactic simply becuase you are taking your life in your own hands in the WH and I will feel no remorse when the times comes for me to get my spurs at the exspense of some poor bastard stupid enough to end up in my corsshairs.

But when you lose perspective, take it personally, and start making absurd judegements about your opponents character... you have crossed a line. At that point you need to take a step back.

I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".

If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw?

There are no real consequences, so there is no real morality. Games are not real. Do not confuse player behaviour with real person behaviour.

In a game where you can convert isk into free game time and thereby save real money its also a way to save real life money by lying. Do you think no one who lies to others are doing that so they can just keep more money in their bank account? Or do you think its ok to lie to others so that you can have more money in your bank account?

I get that. Fine with it too. But isn't the comment, "you can't tell reality from a game" also a judgment about character? Isn't the griefer and ganker making it personal? At least, they are feeling a personal sense of achievement. And if they don't get that satisfaction from shooting NPC pixels.....might they not be getting "real life" kicks out of a game?

In a game where you can convert isk into free game time and thereby save real money its also a way to save real life money by lying. Do you think no one who lies to others are lying so they can just keep more money in their bank account? Do you think they are all just "roleplaying a scoundrel." Or do you think its ok to lie to others so that you can have more money in your bank account?

As for your questions I probably would not do any of these things if I only knew the person over the internet. The limitations of developping friendships over the internet is one of the reasons I think CCP is foolish for trying to force socializing in their game.

If I knew someone mainly over the net but also in person then yeah I think some of those things would qualify.

What is your point?

So if we are competing in a game where there is prize money to be won, if I win does that make me morally bankrupt?.

If I successfully bluff you in Poker and take your money, does that make me immoral?

A bluff is making someone believe something that is untrue by misleading them... it is a lie. However this lie is allowed by the game rules, in fact it is encouraged. More importantly, everyone playing IS AWARE OF THIS.

Yes I think its ok as long as within the rules that were initially agreed upon by both parties. I like to play poker. I bluff a lot. Its part of the game, and if someone walks into a poker game not aware that someone might be bluffing, they will be ill prepared to play the game. This is COMPLETELY analogous to EVE, and anyone who doesn't think so is fooling themselves.



My point is that you just admited that unless you actually knew the person you wouldn't invest trust with any real assets you have.

You are saying that though you trust someone in game, this doesn't bear on how you would trust them out of game.

It is equivalent to say that even though someone might be a complete asshat in game it has no bearing on their behavior out of game.

They might be a nice person, they might be a sociopath, none of it can be determined from in game actions. *Edit: so it is meaningless to attempt to pass judgement based on how you act in game.

No that is not a lie. You do not lie when you bluff in poker. A lie is saying something that is untrue when you know it is untrue.

You do not lie when you bluff in poker. A lie is saying something that is untrue when you know it is untrue.

Cearain, you have your head right up your ass atm. That is exactly what a bluff is. It is a straight out lie to the other player. On top of that many use words or facial expressions in the attempt to trick their opponent. I am not even going to respond to the latter part of this due to how outrageuos you are trying to take this.

If you want to argue that the principles of the game are immoral (see c*ck fights) then thats one thing, but GL making that sale about eve.

So if someone bluffs in poker you think you are ok to call them a liar? You are not. There was no lie involved.


But again take a friend or family member that you would trust with all the things you listed. Take your best friend. And lets say you invited them to play eve. They constantly told you they would never take your stuff in eve that you could trust them. You had a corp together and kept both your stuff in the corp hangar lets say about 50 billion worth. Then one day you were out doing a mission with him/her and he/she ganks your ship. You go back and see that all your stuff in the corporate hangars are gone. He/she tells you he did this so that he/she wouldn't have to pay for the subscription anymore.

Now what would your reaction be?
A) as though they bluffed you in poker? "yeah nice one haha its part of the game"
or
B) would you perhaps not trust them quite so much anymore?

If your best friend would do this to you, you should get better friends.

My best friend used to kick my ass in this game all the time, including many others. So has my son and my wife.

We understand that what is done in game is part of the game.

You apparently, do not.

You are also projecting real life friendship and trust into a situation that normally involves purely in game relationships, where the very nature of the game makes no bones about the ruthlessness of the rules.

Again, you are projecting.

And quite frankly, you have your head up your ass.

I see you avoided the question I asked.

So if someone bluffs in poker you think you are ok to call them a liar?

Actually, he didn't.
You're just projecting again.

Really what was his answer then?
What would his reaction be then if his best friend as I described robbed him?

Really what was his answer then?

GÇ£My best friend used to kick my ass in this game all the time, including many others. So has my son and my wife.

We understand that what is done in game is part of the game.GÇ¥

Seeing as how that's what a bluff is: telling people something that is not true, yes.

Ok so by "kicking [his] ass" you think he meant what I described in my scenario?