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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:51:00 -
[61] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:Its
A
Game
qft
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes
"no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties"
Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
353
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:52:00 -
[62] - Quote
Huehuehue wrote:I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.
Post with your main and I read further.
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XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
55
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:53:00 -
[63] - Quote
Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.
Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:54:00 -
[64] - Quote
XIRUSPHERE wrote:Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.
Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.
lots of words that translate to:
because
its
a
game
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes
"no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties"
Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
10
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Posted - 2011.10.30 19:56:00 -
[65] - Quote
Communist! We don't take kindly to those around here >;D
Ferox #1 |
KaarBaak
136
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:01:00 -
[66] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:Communist! We don't take kindly to those around here >;D
How about "Communalist?"
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Flakey Foont
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
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Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
10
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:11:00 -
[68] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
The problem is you should not be inflicting distress on others. Not that you should not gank people, but they should not be in distress after watching their pixel ship asplode!
Yes I hear a lot of talk on the EVE forums about... tears? I don't even want to know how this started and I will admit to me it sounds a little insane to say things like that! But I don't think its wrong to want to make someone be like awww I just lost something I put a lot of work into! Enjoying tears is a little weird to me though! But then this just circles back... to what I originally said... someone should not be crying over this in the first place! D: Ahhh!
Just fly the pretty ships and you will definitely feel a lot better in general! ;D
Ferox #1 |
Twisted Alice
The Scope
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:13:00 -
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Mortis vonShadow wrote:Huehuehue wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:I'll tell you why. Because everyone that plays EVE Online is looking to escape from their real life. Sometimes that means for some of us becoming something we are not in real life.
The average person that plays EVE Online in reality would never walk over to anyone sitting at a stop light and shoot them in the face and then laugh about it. Why? Cuz' the response to that would end their life as well. But in EVE, it is okay to become that gun weilding maniac and laugh at the victim. Hell its encouraged.
If you play a video game and expect a moral compass, you are going to be very very upset with EVE. It doesn't and won't exsist.
I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off. Well, thats you. Some of us others what to be something we aren't in real life. I believe they call it escapism.
He plays Eve to escape but he can't escape his morals, they're too strong. So they end up ingame with his character. Which of course limits the playstyle somewhat.
You just have to remember that not everyone is the same and people can actually play without bring RL issues into the game. Peoples characters do not necessarily reflect what they're like in RL.
If you can't except that then you'll have a tough time in Eve. |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
223
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:14:00 -
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Flakey Foont wrote:No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
Oh, you know this for a fact?
I enjoy the suicide gank as much as the Goons do. Does that make me a knuckle dragger?
Back in 1990 I went to Liberia with the US Marine Corps and helped save 5000 Americans and Europeans from the violence there.
So, you tell me. Am I a knuckle dragging *******?
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1061
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:14:00 -
[71] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well. If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well.
If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well.
Or, as they say, lolno.
GÇöGÇöGÇö
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
223
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:16:00 -
[72] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Flakey Foont wrote:If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well. If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well. If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well. If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well. Or, as they say, lolno.
+1 for Tippia. You're my hero.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises
Purpose Built
13
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:17:00 -
[73] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
It is not my fault if the pvper I steal from and escape from gets upset over virtual things. If they cannot separate reality from fantasy, it is their problem. |
Taijha Assari
StarDancer Excavations
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:22:00 -
[74] - Quote
So umm.. the gist of the OPs message is "PvP happened and I don't like it!" ? |
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:23:00 -
[75] - Quote
Mortis vonShadow wrote:[quote=Flakey Foont]
Back in 1990 I went to Liberia with the US Marine Corps and helped save 5000 Americans and Europeans from the violence there.
So, you tell me. Am I a knuckle dragging *******?
Well, you *did* say you were a marine.../inter-branch humor |
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
223
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:25:00 -
[76] - Quote
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:Mortis vonShadow wrote:[quote=Flakey Foont]
Back in 1990 I went to Liberia with the US Marine Corps and helped save 5000 Americans and Europeans from the violence there.
So, you tell me. Am I a knuckle dragging *******?
Well, you *did* say you were a marine.../inter-branch humor
hehehe fair point.
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:29:00 -
[77] - Quote
Richard Hammond II wrote:XIRUSPHERE wrote:Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.
Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more. lots of words that translate to: because its a game
summing up this thread
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes
"no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties"
Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
790
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:43:00 -
[78] - Quote
Morality?
In RL, I'm the kind of guy that you don't stare at too long because I look like a bikie , talk like I mean it and I have a hardass stare. You won't **** with me unless you're ready for it.
In Eve I'm a priest. I get to be a victim. 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Concorde Thiesant
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:48:00 -
[79] - Quote
Flakey Foont wrote:No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
Wait, what? This is not true at all.
In EVE, I have no issue with ganking some poor ice miner, because I'm destroying virtual things with virtual consequences - he only loses a couple hours of work.
IRL, if I was to, say, destroy someone's car and they couldn't get to work anymore that would much worse, I'd be destroying real life things with real life consequences. I could never bring myself to do that.
And yes, as other people have said,
it's
a
game. |
Kent Reeves
6
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:51:00 -
[80] - Quote
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-zNnq7kHMI |
Kietay Ayari
Monopoly Money Operations
11
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:52:00 -
[81] - Quote
I have a hard time believing anyone who plays EVE is half as scary as the cookie monster ;D and a third as tough as they say they are!
Ferox #1 |
Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
20
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Posted - 2011.10.30 20:57:00 -
[82] - Quote
You know what OP? There simply is no simple answer. Personally I don't really like playing the bad guy. Don't get me wrong, I like a bit of pew pew as much as the next guy, but I simply don't enjoy popping helpless victims. Not eve baiting can flippers and going surprise!
I know why I can't enjoy playing the bad guy. IRL, I'm not a nice person. I'm cynical, self centered and egoistic. Most people tell me I'm anice person, but that's part of the illusion. That illusion gives me an advantage, and most people don't even know that I'm taking advantage of them when I do.
I guess I just enjoy pretending to be nice. But in a way, I do the same IRL, even though I know better IRL. All though I'm not really sure if I'm such a nice guy in game. I don't pop "innocent" miners and mission runners, but then again, is that really a good thing? That mission runner might be an alt belonging to somebody who does. Might not, but could just as easily be.
Any ways, about 75% of my characters in AD&D where paladins. I guess playing the good guy just gives me the illusion of being good, even though I know I'm not.
I'm sure there are many reasons why people decide to play the bad guy. Not saying all of them are nice guys IRL, but I know some of them are. Games often serve as an outlet for things that bother people in life. Say for instance I would like to punch my boss in the face but I was too afraid of the consequences, a game can serve as a nice simulator to scratch that itch before it gets worse.
There is nothing wrong with such outlets. Sure, it sucks for some people that they need to suffer the loss of some pixels as a result. But in the end, as long as there are mechanics in place to deter such actions, and there are mechincs to avoid being the one who looses pixels, it's actually not really a problem.
It only becomes a problem when people are able to ruin your day even though you took every precaution to ensure it wouldn't happen to you.
Just remember, whining doesn't help, that only encourages the griefer. If anything, tell them the insurance was about to run out and you where thinking of getting rid of that ship anyways. Then thank them for helping you facilitate the transfer of the ship. That way, you ruin their day.
Have you noticed how some ships are actually blue? Weird isn't it? |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
791
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:04:00 -
[83] - Quote
Kietay Ayari wrote:I have a hard time believing anyone who plays EVE is half as scary as the cookie monster ;D and a third as tough as they say they are!
Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles.
In Eve, he's in charge of some of the baddest boys in town.
The movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" springs to mind 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:06:00 -
[84] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Morality? In RL, I'm the kind of guy that you don't stare at too long because I look like a bikie , talk like I mean it and I have a hardass stare. You won't **** with me unless you're ready for it. In Eve I'm a priest. I get to be a victim.
Ah, so you fantasize as a Sub because you really want to be punished
They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes
"no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties"
Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP |
Handsome Hussein
72
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles.
Confirming my suspicion that you are still in high school.
Leaves only the fresh scent of pine. |
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:14:00 -
[86] - Quote
The Apostle wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I have a hard time believing anyone who plays EVE is half as scary as the cookie monster ;D and a third as tough as they say they are! Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles. In Eve, he's in charge of some of the baddest boys in town. The movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" springs to mind
I know what you mean.
In rael life, I'm a hitman working for the CIA. I also have some badass nina-training.
In eve I am KIRK - binging people the ideals of the fedreation, like love and educaton. |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
791
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:19:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:The Apostle wrote:Morality? In RL, I'm the kind of guy that you don't stare at too long because I look like a bikie , talk like I mean it and I have a hardass stare. You won't **** with me unless you're ready for it. In Eve I'm a priest. I get to be a victim. Ah, so you fantasize as a Sub because you really want to be punished
Actually I was doing a parody of Eve players.
In RL many (most?) are probably nerds, fat, lazy, unwashed, unemployed, drug addicts, welfare dependent, live with mum - ad nauseum (no stereotyping mind - there are exceptions - lol) - aka Victims of Society.
In Eve these same people are badboys, hardasses, psychopathic, bad tempered and just plain mean. It makes sense 
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
892
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:19:00 -
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The Apostle wrote:Kietay Ayari wrote:I have a hard time believing anyone who plays EVE is half as scary as the cookie monster ;D and a third as tough as they say they are! Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles. In Eve, he's in charge of some of the baddest boys in town. The movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" springs to mind
Oh look, an Internet Tough Guy.
Well you better hush boy, because I'm 7 feet tall, I can bench press a bungalow and I have to use a special Titanium toilet because I **** armor piercing cannon rounds and fart phosgene.
(My secret identity is that of a slightly tubby 40 year old logistics guy but don't be fooled)
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
The Apostle
The Black Priests
791
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:22:00 -
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Handsome ******* wrote:The Apostle wrote:Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles. Confirming my suspicion that you are still in high school.
LMAO.
I'm quite possibly old enough to be YOUR father but let's not go there because there'd be some lines about "your mom" etc.
Take an aspirin. If pain persists consult your local priest.
WTB: An Austrian kangaroo!
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Hexus Draidin
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Fatal Ascension
11
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Posted - 2011.10.30 21:23:00 -
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I've heard on several occasions that how a person behaves on Eve is indicative of who they are at heart, without all of the restrictions of society. There might be some truth in this, but I'm not sure how much.
I would say in general, that if your boyfriend or girlfriend is an evil, noobkilling, tear-collecting person in EVE, you should ditch them unless you're into that. Eve has just given light to a side of themselves they keep hidden in day-to-day life.
Many people are trying to assume a role in which they have more power and can do greater things than they ever could in real life. That's half of CCP's advertising scheme right there: the POWER. I mean, you're one of the rich elite right off the bat, even as a noob. Capsuleers have the most power of anyone in the EVE universe.
As far as the ganking miners thing goes, I think that often it boils down to taking revenge on an innocent player for something that another meanie face did to you. In essence, since EVE was harsh to you, you're showing that same nature to newer, more vulnerable players. It's the bullying syndrome. Also, some people are just asshats at heart and get off on hurting others. |
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