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Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 576	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:08:00 - [31] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? :cripes: This has to be a troll. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Abrazzar 254	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:11:00 - [32] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? You do recognize the difference between fantasy in reality, don't you? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Huehuehue School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:12:00 - [33] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? :cripes: This has to be a troll. How are the two scenarios different? You kill a missioneer in lowsec because you can, no consenqunses = it's okay even though the guy probably feels bad. I kick your ass without anyone seeing = no consenquenses, you feel bad, but hey it's still okay.
Myfanwy Heimdal Heimdal Freight and Manufacture Inc 29	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:13:00 - [34] - Quote I suggest that the OP never tries to play the classic board game, Diplomacy.
Huehuehue School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:14:00 - [35] - Quote Abrazzar wrote: Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? You do recognize the difference between fantasy in reality, don't you? Sure, that was a gross exaggeration but I think it's kinda scarey how people stop being moral just because they and the other guy are anonymous.
Handsome Hussein 71	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:14:00 - [36] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: How are the two scenarios different? You kill a missioneer in lowsec because you can, no consenqunses = it's okay even though the guy probably feels bad. I kick your ass without anyone seeing = no consenquenses, you feel bad, but hey it's still okay. There are consequences, however, if the missioner has the balls to come back and look to kill me in return. Most missioners/miners don't bother. They go away and sulk, log out for the night. They don't have the nads to fight for what they have in the game. Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Reislier 23	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:15:00 - [37] - Quote Morality and consequences are not the same thing, and one is not contingent on the other. One can be "law abiding" due to consequences, morality or both or neither. But don't kid yourself. A ** is gonna be a so man up and be the you really are and shout it to the masses.. "yes I am a ." Anything else is just denial.. and a closet ** is just sad.
Florestan Bronstein The Waterworks 150	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:16:00 - [38] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you? nope, but we would say "he had it coming" Sometimes what you think should happen and reality disagree - a girl should be able to walk down the street in next to nothing without having to fear anything, I should be able to walk through a bad neighborhood without having to worry who I look at and how expensive my clothes look, police should be able to patrol freely in all parts of the city, ... But if you mistake wishful thinking for reality you had it coming and should not expect a lot of sympathy.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 55	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:16:00 - [39] - Quote But............... I want to kill everyone. Not that I could if I tried. OP, try to compartmentalize; this isn't ant RPG like Mass Effect, where moral choices have actual repercussions. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 578	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:17:00 - [40] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: How are the two scenarios different? You see Eve Online is just like real life for the following reasons The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Huehuehue School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:20:00 - [41] - Quote Florestan Bronstein wrote: Huehuehue wrote: if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you? nope, but we would say "he had it coming" Sometimes what you think should happen and reality disagree - a girl should be able to walk down the street in next to nothing without having to fear anything, I should be able to walk through a bad neighborhood without having to worry who I look at and how expensive my clothes look, police should be able to patrol freely in all parts of the city, ... But if you mistake wishful thinking for reality you had it coming and should not expect a lot of sympathy. Sure he had it coming but that doesn't mean the assailant shouldn't be condemned. Remind me of the whole ** walk think, yeah if you go out every weekend night wearing *** uniform you can kinda expect trouble at some point but it still does not mean you deserve it.
Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. 222	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:21:00 - [42] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: Mortis vonShadow wrote: I'll tell you why. Because everyone that plays EVE Online is looking to escape from their real life. Sometimes that means for some of us becoming something we are not in real life. The average person that plays EVE Online in reality would never walk over to anyone sitting at a stop light and shoot them in the face and then laugh about it. Why? Cuz' the response to that would end their life as well. But in EVE, it is okay to become that gun weilding maniac and laugh at the victim. Hell its encouraged. If you play a video game and expect a moral compass, you are going to be very very upset with EVE. It doesn't and won't exsist. I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off. Well, thats you. Some of us others what to be something we aren't in real life. I believe they call it escapism. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Corina Jarr Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built 12	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:22:00 - [43] - Quote This is a game. Played for fun (and if you don't play for fun you are a moron... IMO). In no way does this relate to real life. That said, I am almost as nice in game as I am in RL, with a few exceptions. But that is my character. I am great at RPGs because I can take separate fantasy and reality. You apparently cannot.
gfldex 19	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:25:00 - [44] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. I'm the guy who is making the ships that are destroyed in the process. Why should I not welcome random acts of violence? Huehuehue wrote: How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying ** like that do you? I would call the police, ofc. If you take a peace in a game of me while playing by the rules I would not do so. Huehuehue wrote: It's so easy to be an *** to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an *** and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ***** online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because. Your confusion comes from your inability to tell the difference between actions between players and actions between non-players. Even very young children understand the concept that consequences in games are not related to consequences out of games. Why don't you? May it be that you are the boy that wants the rules changed when the games wont go in his favour?
Twisted Alice The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:25:00 - [45] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? You do recognize the difference between fantasy in reality, don't you? Sure, that was a gross exaggeration but I think it's kinda scarey how people stop being moral just because they and the other guy are anonymous. It's not really scarey and you do know the difference between reality and fantasy. The problem is you can't really understand how people can play bad characters, because you find it impossible to do yourself. Because as soon as you try, it does not take long before you question it and get no satisfaction from from playing that character.
Large Collidable Object morons. 468	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:26:00 - [46] - Quote David Grogan wrote: Large Collidable Object wrote: I'm actually rather nice in game - IRL, I'm a total arse. i bet your mam still loves ya though If she could remember me, she probably wouldn't after I let her declare legally incapable due to Alzheimer, put her into a cheap retirement home and sold her house... Anyway - I recently watched a guy jetcan-mine in a vexor for ages in highsec - I just stuck around there cloaked, because I was fascinated by the fact it was a genuine noob, not some macro-mining assfag in a Hulk I'd kill for the lulz any day. Eventually, he warped off to get his hauler, so I warped in an alt of mine in a hauler and stole the half-filled jetcan and warped off again (didn't want to canflip - just teach him a lesson to not leave anything floating in space unguarded) - when he returned in his itty III, he sat there for a little while, assumingly desperately looking for his can he kept filling for hours. I actually felt a little bad about that. Now IRL, if anyone leaves anything of value unlocked in the open and I'm certain I wont get caught, I take it and don't feel bad about it at all - if he still wanted it, he would have locked it after all. So obviously, I have more morality in game than IRL - which is funny now that I think about it... morons-áare recruiting. We're good at breeding!
KaarBaak 135	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:28:00 - [47] - Quote Twisted Alice wrote: It's not really scarey and you do know the difference between reality and fantasy. The problem is you can't really understand how people can play bad characters, because you find it impossible to do yourself. Because as soon as you try, it does not take long before you question it and get no satisfaction from from playing that character. ^^This. At first I thought the OP could not distinguish reality from fantasy. Now I understand. The OP has absolutely no imagination. And I find that sad.
Huehuehue School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:32:00 - [48] - Quote gfldex wrote: Your confusion comes from your inability to tell the difference between actions between players and actions between non-players. Even very young children understand the concept that consequences in games are not related to consequences out of games. Why don't you? May it be that you are the boy that wants the rules changed when the games wont go in his favour? Actually it is you who does not seem to understand me even though I have tried to make my point more clear several times. Well let's try this once again. You kill a missioneer. This act makes him feel bad, maybe angry. Why would you do something that makes other person feel bad? Do you understand now? This is not about the act itself, the act itself is never immoral or moral, it's about the consenquence.
Huehuehue School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:33:00 - [49] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: Twisted Alice wrote: It's not really scarey and you do know the difference between reality and fantasy. The problem is you can't really understand how people can play bad characters, because you find it impossible to do yourself. Because as soon as you try, it does not take long before you question it and get no satisfaction from from playing that character. ^^This. At first I thought the OP could not distinguish reality from fantasy. Now I understand. The OP has absolutely no imagination. And I find that sad. If you consider the fact that you can turn off your empathy to other people completley off when you log in then yeah I'm glad I don't have that kind of imagination.
Riedle Paradox Collective 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:35:00 - [50] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Huehuehue wrote: Ladie Harlot wrote: So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting. So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right? You do recognize the difference between fantasy in reality, don't you? Sure, that was a gross exaggeration but I think it's kinda scarey how people stop being moral just because they and the other guy are anonymous. I think it's kind of scary that certain people fail to differentiate between a game and real life. Go get a real life, you need one
KaarBaak 136	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:35:00 - [51] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: KaarBaak wrote: Twisted Alice wrote: It's not really scarey and you do know the difference between reality and fantasy. The problem is you can't really understand how people can play bad characters, because you find it impossible to do yourself. Because as soon as you try, it does not take long before you question it and get no satisfaction from from playing that character. ^^This. At first I thought the OP could not distinguish reality from fantasy. Now I understand. The OP has absolutely no imagination. And I find that sad. If you consider the fact that you can turn off your empathy to other people completley off when you log in then yeah I'm glad I don't have that kind of imagination. Miners are all bots. How can I have empathy for a machine?
Basileus Volkan Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation 62	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:37:00 - [52] - Quote Saying EvE "is a game" and as such is completely disconnected from what you do in real life is pretty wrong. If anything EvE is probably the MMOG where it's hardest to distinguish between game and RL. Partly due to how the game is set up -Player based economy, no repercussions for scamming and such- and partly due to the much vaunted metagame that is going on. So yea, being good at scamming or being likely to fall for a scam, for example, says a lot about the person behind the screen. EvE is a bit like the Stanford prison experiment, to be honest.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:38:00 - [53] - Quote Its A Game They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
gfldex 19	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:39:00 - [54] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: But of course you cannot seperate the two. You mean you can't. How about actors that play #insert german dictator name here#? Are they all #insert political movement before the end of WWII in germany here#? Huehuehue wrote: You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on. Ofc, not. You merely play a game. And if they follow the rules decide the GMs, not you. Huehuehue wrote: Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat. Some players see the reality and assume any player as an enemy by default. If you are blue, purple or green they wont shoot you. Anybody else is a competitor over resources or customers. Oddly enough you can actually sell somebody a ship that you have blown up 2 weeks ago (I managed to do that once, gave me a good giggle). Please have a look at all those little stars your posts contain. I believe I can judge your personality much better from the way you expose yourself here at this very forum then you can judge me by my actions ingame.
Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. 222	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:41:00 - [55] - Quote KaarBaak wrote: Miners are all bots. How can I have empathy for a machine? I'm not a bot. I mine every other day in hisec. Right now, I'm sitting in station waiting for the local gank squad to depart so I can go back to it. If they kll me will I whine? No. I'll say to them good show. Its what drives EVE. Some of us are builders, others destroyers. Its not a moral issue at all. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 578	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:45:00 - [56] - Quote Huehuehue wrote: You kill a missioneer. This act makes him feel bad, maybe angry. Why would you do something that makes other person feel bad? It makes me feel bad that people can grind level 4 missions with almost zero risk so people running level 4 missions are immoral. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Richard Hammond II Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:48:00 - [57] - Quote Mortis vonShadow wrote: KaarBaak wrote: Miners are all bots. How can I have empathy for a machine? I'm not a bot. I mine every other day in hisec. Right now, I'm sitting in station waiting for the local gank squad to depart so I can go back to it. If they kill me will I whine? No. I'll say to them good show. Its what drives EVE. Some of us are builders, others destroyers. Its not a moral issue at all. Know whats funny? Goons arent the police of EVE according to them... right? Quote: Mittani wrote: Bots Goonswarm has been unfairly characterized as bot-friendly, and we'ds like to counteract that. Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned! lol They hired actual clothing designers for WiS clothes "no wonder the monocle cost $80, they had to pay royalties" Screw "FiS" its called EVE CCP
F DeLeon Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:49:00 - [58] - Quote Start mining with a rokh or a carrier and stop complaining about it and asking CCP to ruin one of the most basic element of the game: noone is safe completely.
Vigdis Thorisdottir Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:50:00 - [59] - Quote I don't think morality plays a part in my in-game decisions. I'm playing a game, to hopefully have some fun. That said, I don't blow up miners when I see them out in lowsec because blowing up retrievers and mammoths isn't FUN to me. I see a combat ship out there though, and there is an implied assertion that the pilot flying it enjoys combat somewhat, so I'll go at him. Not because it only feels "right" to go after certain targets, but because it is more fun. There are a certain portion of people who feel validated or "manly" when they are able to "take" something from others (often seen in gamblers, particularly card players). But this is only a small portion of people (or most teenage boys).
Jita Alt666 436	Posted - 2011.10.30 19:50:00 - [60] - Quote Peri Simone wrote: Personally, I don't see shooting down a lone miner as being any less moral than bankrupting someone for landing on my Mayfair hotel. Or to put it another way, it's part of the game - deal with it. Taking this very valid point to the next level: Attempting to own a hotel on Mayfair in Monopoly is immoral, as its main in game purpose is to glean as much in game money for no greater service than landing on any other square. Taking this to the next level: Attempting to maximise material gains in real life is immoral as you are attempting glean as much real life money for as little service as possible. Taking this to the next level: If the OP is serious, he/she is a communist.

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