It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil.

There are no real consequences, so there is no real morality. Games are not real. Do not confuse player behaviour with real person behaviour.

I'll tell you why. Because everyone that plays EVE Online is looking to escape from their real life. Sometimes that means for some of us becoming something we are not in real life.

The average person that plays EVE Online in reality would never walk over to anyone sitting at a stop light and shoot them in the face and then laugh about it. Why? Cuz' the response to that would end their life as well. But in EVE, it is okay to become that gun weilding maniac and laugh at the victim. Hell its encouraged.

If you play a video game and expect a moral compass, you are going to be very very upset with EVE. It doesn't and won't exsist.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

But of course you cannot seperate the two. You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on. Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat. And how can you say there are no real consenquenses, each player devotes his time, which is the single most valuable asset any human has to this game, and you can bet the missioneer who lost his brand new cnr because you felt the kill mail would look nice does not feel good.

I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off.

I'm actually rather nice in game - IRL, I'm a total arse.

Yes, it is something you just turn off.

I would never indiscriminately slaughter everyone I see in a given area in real life, but I do it all the time in Call of Duty - would you say that me killing people in an FPS makes me an immoral person?

So playing by the rules is all of a sudden considered immoral? Interesting.

So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right?

So I can come kick your ass right now and as long as I manage to evade the cops it's cool because I played by the rules? I mean the way you say it it seems to me that you suggest as long as there are no consenquense for the "evil doer" it's playing by the rules right?

:cripes:

This has to be a troll.

You do recognize the difference between fantasy in reality, don't you?

How are the two scenarios different? You kill a missioneer in lowsec because you can, no consenqunses = it's okay even though the guy probably feels bad. I kick your ass without anyone seeing = no consenquenses, you feel bad, but hey it's still okay.

if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

How are the two scenarios different?

nope, but we would say "he had it coming"

Sometimes what you think should happen and reality disagree - a girl should be able to walk down the street in next to nothing without having to fear anything, I should be able to walk through a bad neighborhood without having to worry who I look at and how expensive my clothes look, police should be able to patrol freely in all parts of the city, ...

But if you mistake wishful thinking for reality you had it coming and should not expect a lot of sympathy.

I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off.

But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil.

How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

Sure, that was a gross exaggeration but I think it's kinda scarey how people stop being moral just because they and the other guy are anonymous.

i bet your mam still loves ya though

It's not really scarey and you do know the difference between reality and fantasy.

The problem is you can't really understand how people can play bad characters, because you find it impossible to do yourself. Because as soon as you try, it does not take long before you question it and get no satisfaction from from playing that character.

Your confusion comes from your inability to tell the difference between actions between players and actions between non-players. Even very young children understand the concept that consequences in games are not related to consequences out of games. Why don't you? May it be that you are the boy that wants the rules changed when the games wont go in his favour?

^^This.

At first I thought the OP could not distinguish reality from fantasy. Now I understand. The OP has absolutely no imagination. And I find that sad.

Sure, that was a gross exaggeration but I think it's kinda scarey how people stop being moral just because they and the other guy are anonymous.

If you consider the fact that you can turn off your empathy to other people completley off when you log in then yeah I'm glad I don't have that kind of imagination.

But of course you cannot seperate the two.

You do not suddenly turn into another person that has no affect on your real person when you log on.

Like I said, I would never ever kill a miner or missioner UNLESS they are in enemy corporation I'm in war with and thus it's part of agreed combat.

Miners are all bots. How can I have empathy for a machine?

You kill a missioneer. This act makes him feel bad, maybe angry. Why would you do something that makes other person feel bad?

I'm not a bot. I mine every other day in hisec. Right now, I'm sitting in station waiting for the local gank squad to depart so I can go back to it. If they kill me will I whine? No. I'll say to them good show. Its what drives EVE. Some of us are builders, others destroyers. Its not a moral issue at all.

Mittani wrote:
Bots

Goonswarm has been unfairly characterized as bot-friendly, and we'ds like to counteract that. Basically all ice miners are bots. Report them after you kill them! This way, not only do you kill them, you get them temp-banned!

Personally, I don't see shooting down a lone miner as being any less moral than bankrupting someone for landing on my Mayfair hotel. Or to put it another way, it's part of the game - deal with it.

Its
A
Game

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.

Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.

Communist! We don't take kindly to those around here >;D

No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.

Well, thats you. Some of us others what to be something we aren't in real life. I believe they call it escapism.

No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.

If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.

If you enjoy shooting people in the face in CoD, you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.
If you enjoy winning at Monopoly, you no doubt enjoy oppressing people in RL as well.
If you enjoy killing Orcs in D&D, you're no doubt a racist in RL as well.


Or, as they say, lolno.

No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.

[quote=Flakey Foont]

Back in 1990 I went to Liberia with the US Marine Corps and helped save 5000 Americans and Europeans from the violence there.

So, you tell me. Am I a knuckle dragging *******?

Well, you *did* say you were a marine.../inter-branch humor

lots of words that translate to:

because
its
a
game

No one "leaves their morality at the door." You are moral or you are not. If you enjoy inflicting distress on others in a game you no doubt enjoy it in RL as well.

I have a hard time believing anyone who plays EVE is half as scary as the cookie monster ;D and a third as tough as they say they are!

Morality?

In RL, I'm the kind of guy that you don't stare at too long because I look like a bikie , talk like I mean it and I have a hardass stare. You won't **** with me unless you're ready for it.

In Eve I'm a priest. I get to be a victim.

Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles.

Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles.

In Eve, he's in charge of some of the baddest boys in town.

The movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" springs to mind

Ah, so you fantasize as a Sub because you really want to be punished

Actually I've seen photos of Mittens and in (my) RL, pastey face dweebs like him would be tromped on, beaten up and we'd use what's left of his shirt to polish our belt buckles.

In Eve, he's in charge of some of the baddest boys in town.

The movie, "Revenge of the Nerds" springs to mind

Confirming my suspicion that you are still in high school.

LMAO.

I'm quite possibly old enough to be YOUR father but let's not go there because there'd be some lines about "your mom" etc.

I've heard on several occasions that how a person behaves on Eve is indicative of who they are at heart, without all of the restrictions of society. There might be some truth in this, but I'm not sure how much.

Oh look, an Internet Tough Guy.

Well you better hush boy, because I'm 7 feet tall, I can bench press a bungalow and I have to use a special Titanium toilet because I **** armor piercing cannon rounds and fart phosgene.




(My secret identity is that of a slightly tubby 40 year old logistics guy but don't be fooled)

But............... [i]
OP, try to compartmentalize; this isn't ant RPG like Mass Effect, where moral choices have actual repercussions.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

I feel like Role Playing the Villain in this MMORPG.

Video Games would be less interesting without villains.

Pah, you know Riddick? That isn-¦t actually a fictional movie, but a documentary about me.

For the Op: humans are as5holes by default, and here in eve they can act upon it.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16239_5-psychological-experiments-that-prove-humanity-doomed_p2.html

But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil.

It is kind of funny, PvPers using ships to blow up the people that made em. Miners should just stop for a week and see how badly the market falls lol...

A lone miner without any friends lost eve way before they lost that mining ship.

There are some people who try to play this game as honourable Jedi Knights - they are amounst the most fail people I've met in the game, their tears are probably the most delicious.

For some reason I laugh out loud whenever I read those exact words. Not meant as an insult! I just imagine someone literally eating tears and finding them delicious and its a little comedic! I tend to read them about once a day which is more than I usually laugh so EVE forums are pretty good!

I'd still like to know why people started saying it in the first place though. Its a prettttty abstract way of saying you enjoy when someone is miserable (for silly reasons or not). :O

Do we really want to discuss morality in a computer game? Ah what the heck. I'll give it a crack.

Sadly, morality is seen by most people as being tied to consequences. And I submit this thread as 'Exhibit A', Your Honour.

But how can your actions be moral if you're only doing something out of a fear of consequences? Your actions can only have moral worth when you do the right thing because you know it is the right thing to do - and you do it for no other reason.

.......I look at EVE as one big moral experiment. It's fascinating to see how people behave in this moral vacuum. I'm also fascinated by my own behaviour.

The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.

Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party.

Because e-honor is a sack of **** created by carebears so pirates could have morals, If i was a immortal space ship flying pirate IRL i would not give a **** about "morals"

But how, Mr Kant, do you know it's the right thing to do? I submit - by the consequences

The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.

Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party.

The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.

Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

How are the two scenarios different? You kill a missioneer in lowsec because you can, no consenqunses = it's okay even though the guy probably feels bad. I kick your ass without anyone seeing = no consenquenses, you feel bad, but hey it's still okay.

The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.

Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party.

Threads like these make me feel like EVE needs a Jerry Springer show.

Anybody got pop corn?

There are no real consequences, so there is no real morality. Games are not real. Do not confuse player behaviour with real person behaviour.

The thing is, whether or not it's "part of the game" or "not against the rules"... the fact is your actions are still 100% your choice.

Players who try to hide behind lines like "nowhere in EVE is safe" or "the GMs allow it" or "it's just part of the game" are moral and intellectual cowards trying to pass off blame for their own actions (and guilt) onto an innocent third party.

As soon as CCP authorized PLEX, this was no longer a defensible position. You may as well say that having real money stolen is not a real consequence or problem IRL. Also, your argument was never very good to begin with, since time = money and all the players behind the screen are in real life.

I don't have a problem with griefers existing. As mentioned, it makes the game "interesting." The legitimate answer to "WAHH why did you gank me?!?" is "I'm RPing, the game would be boring if everyone was nice."

However, what is the motivation for "feeding off people's tears"? Is that human motivation in-game? No, it's behind the screen. Some griefers are just RPing, but many are genuine sociopaths using Eve as a tool to hurt people. That is their choice, and they're filling a role, but those who say that fulfilling their sociopathic tendencies via Eve is somehow blameless and moral are lying to themselves. The motivations of the player determine the ultimate morality of the actions, whether in Eve or outside of Eve.

Works both ways: anyone who hides behind GÇ£they're sociopaths", GÇ£I wasn't doing anything" or GÇ£it's illegal IRL" is a moral and intellectual coward trying to pass off blame for their own mistakes and poor choices (and accountability) onto a third party. They chose to play a full-PvP game, and then chose not to prepare for the eventuality of being engaged in PvP. That's their actions and 100% their choice - it just turned out to be a horribly bad choice and they're experiencing the consequences of that choice.

And the reason Ieave out GÇ£innocent" is because I do not live under the delusion that anyone in EVE is innocent, most certainly not the resource gatherers who make it all possible...

[quote=Chelone][quote=Abrazzar]What if I told you that I work as a dentist IRL and that I get off on the pain I inflict?

What if I told you that I work as a dentist IRL and that I get off on the pain I inflict?

A recent study demonstrated that 85% of the Western Civ population is sociopathic.

This issue is, eve breeds hate. Its very essence is about scamming, ganking, smack talking. CCP have created a game that is about all those elements and more, all the 7 deadly sins. In turn people either leave PDQ (which is usually the case) or as much as you tried to avoid it, in order to succeed in the game, you have to become morally wrong so to speak. For instance you may not want to kill that carebear but in order to get a kill you have to!
Eve is a very niche game, and you find the community adapts to the players around it, thus everyone ends up being a bit of an annoying git, with the usual HTFU, Go back to wow, hello kitty remarks. When infact they hate the mechanics too.
This ethos is why eve is stalling, people want to come on enjoy a game, not have idiots ruining it. It will never be mainstream unless CCP make some huge changes on how eve works.
Dont get me wrong you meet some good people in this game, but if you dont know them, all they want to do is either avoid you, kill you or scam you. Mainly the last two! And there are people who take this game far too seriously, and actually think they are some universe overlord. Those people need medical help...

There is no excuse for your actions in EVE, THEY DEFINE YOU as a player and as a person.

@ OP

Well said.

EVE offers you all possible ways to play. I for one never lost my morality when I engage with this game - I am the same person. I PvP and have lots of fun. You can guess I am not a pirate, hell I pop pirates for fun. I play under NRDS and it's the only policy worth fighting for in EVE. The difference between a shooter game and Eve is that Eve gives you a choice, while a shooter is just that a shooter, you kill others.

Unfortunately many people would behave exactly as in the game in RL, were there no police to stop them. Just look at the UK riots that happened not too long ago.

EVE is a perfect reflection of the REAL people that play the game. If they do not do that in RL that does not erase the fact that they are immoral and starving for attention and the pleasure of inflicting pain to others. Its happening all over the world in RL already, millions die at the expense of a few wealthy people.

There is no excuse for your actions in EVE, THEY DEFINE YOU as a player and as a person. If you don't do that in RL that does not erase their relevance.

You can guess I am not a pirate, hell I pop pirates for fun.

There is no excuse for your actions in EVE, THEY DEFINE YOU as a player and as a person. If you don't do that in RL that does not erase their relevance.

@ OP

Well said.

EVE offers you all possible ways to play. I for one never lost my morality when I engage with this game - I am the same person. I PvP and have lots of fun. You can guess I am not a pirate, hell I pop pirates for fun. I play under NRDS and it's the only policy worth fighting for in EVE. The difference between a shooter game and Eve is that Eve gives you a choice, while a shooter is just that a shooter, you kill others.

Unfortunately many people would behave exactly as in the game in RL, were there no police to stop them. Just look at the UK riots that happened not too long ago.

EVE is a perfect reflection of the REAL people that play the game. If they do not do that in RL that does not erase the fact that they are immoral and starving for attention and the pleasure of inflicting pain to others. Its happening all over the world in RL already, millions die at the expense of a few wealthy people.

There is no excuse for your actions in EVE, THEY DEFINE YOU as a player and as a person. If you don't do that in RL that does not erase their relevance.

That's pretty immoral of you, don't you think?

I mean if it was like real life, then we would have a zillion more systems, it would take years to get anywhere, there would be more races, landing on planets, visiting the local alien whorehouse, nebulas. people that actually speak to you etc etc etc etc

He's a self-confessed murderous vigilante, acting as judge, jury and executioner to the people HE decides are unworthy? Talk about sociopathic....

Flame me all you want. The beauty of EVE is that you can inflict pain to others in very nasty ways IF YOU CHOSE TO, showing how good/bad you really are in RL. Its not a simple shooter where the whole purpose of the game is the SAME for all participants - kill others.

LOL

Anyway, I find myself wondering if people who scam in EVE what stops them from doing it in real life? Ah I know, LAWS, people have used PONZI schemes to rip people off so many times in RL is not worth saying. They would do it all time JUST like in JITA, too bad government had to stop them, else this give me 5 mill i give u back 10 would be all over the world. Hell, go read some Nigerian scams.

EVE just shows how bad people in this world are. And when people like the OP questions their morality he has all the right to do it. If people treat OTHER people like garbage in a game, why would they be any better in RL were there no coercive measures?

Guess NBSI alliances all hate me now. :D

Flame me all you want.

I choose to engage in PvP and shoot only reds/pirates that is a BIG difference from engaging a solo miner in high sec for the LOLS.

You guys are very dangerous people in RL

Anyway, I find myself wondering if people who scam in EVE what stops them from doing it in real life?

what do you think you are mining for? Cause everything you can build in this GAME is ships/items for others to go to battle in.

*Edit: post with your main

That you should be euthanized. Not joking.

Fighting honourably in 0.0 for sov or other stuff is no issue IMO, but ganking a miner for LOLZ or scamming in JITA that is a different story IMO. I guess all have their own standard for their life some have a really low one and it shows in EVE.

CAUSING PAIN JUST BECAUSE U CAN SHOWS WHO YOU ARE!!! - there is a big difference if you fight for a goal aka SOV, killing high sec miners is just a quest for SELF GRATIFICATION.

Fighting honourably in 0.0 for sov or other stuff is no issue IMO, but ganking a miner for LOLZ or scamming in JITA that is a different story IMO. I guess all have their own standard for their life some have a really low one and it shows in EVE.

CAUSING PAIN JUST BECAUSE U CAN SHOWS WHO YOU ARE!!! - there is a big difference if you fight for a goal aka SOV, killing high sec miners is just a quest for SELF GRATIFICATION.

But I don't think such ideas work with the average eve player.

You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you?

EDIT: Incidentally, you forgot to mention what you thought about those violent, murderous racketeers in the so called "sporting community". Perhaps you could make a start there.

You don't see players rage against other players like some do in Eve unless there have been some sportsmanship issues.

Well, maybe if they stopped complaining about how the rules made them lose and actually showed the trait of sportsmanship called being a good loser, the tears wouldn't be around any moreGǪ

The fun thing about people doing it GÇ£for tearsGÇ¥ is that they're so ridiculously easy to win against.

That's not true, ganking people has nothing to do with sportsmanship, but it is about the tears (griefing people) which is allowed in the rules as long as it's using the game mechanics.

Professional athletes make for a poor analogy. Most are not doing what they do for "tears". Many are friends off the field, and usually there aren't hard feelings against the other team afterwards (most frustration is directed towards themselves, for not playing well enough). You don't see players rage against other players like some do in Eve unless there have been some sportsmanship issues.

There are no real consequences, so there is no real morality. Games are not real. Do not confuse player behaviour with real person behaviour.

If you enjoy killing peeps in EVE that have no chance to strike back or at least be able to fight then you should take a loot in the mirror and ask yourself what kind of a person you are?

My issue is with people that take pleasure in the pain of others [GǪ] OP is right to question some behaviour in EVE as a RL issue.

I like how the phrase "not reality, it's a game" gets tossed out here. That only makes sense if you're able to completely dehumanize the other players, or if it was purely NPCs being opposed.

The fact of the matter is, it is reality. There is another person on the other keyboard.......

Player morality in EVE online. Why did you leave it at the door?

Because I can.

Because it is a game which allows me to.

Because only the ill prepared, careless and stupid need fear me.

But mostly because I can.

Next time when you rob a bank or kill someone, just because you can, maybe you will realise the gravity of your statement.

This is the biggest fail of humanity, we do things JUST BECAUSE WE CAN, most of them bad ones.

I pity you.

What difference does that make? Really, are you saying that it's OK to blow someone's ship up in EVE as long as I don't enjoy it?

I'm not trying to make any points aside from pointing out that your sport analogy is a poor one. So no, it doesn't make a difference, because the whole sport scenario is not especially applicable to the conversation. That is, unless every player looked at Eve as a sport, which is not the case.

Morality is merely a human construct upon the foundation of reality. The world of man is infinitely more immoral than any possible action that can be taken in a game. Most choose to insulate themselves from this reality and easily so in a world full of false and misleading ideals and information control.

Be thankful this is nothing but a shadow of the true depravity of our species. We are nothing more than apex predators who are still in the infancy of civilization, your morality is a social adaptation towards self preservation and preservation of the species and nothing more.

If you enjoy killing peeps in EVE that have no chance to strike back or at least be able to fight then you should take a loot in the mirror and ask yourself what kind of a person you are?

My issue is with people that take pleasure in the pain of others, especially on those that did absolutely nothing to warrant such action. One is a competitive game where we all fight for something and another is when you feel good to cause pain. The underling idea is the motivation behind your actions.

OP is right to question some behaviour in EVE as a RL issue.

Flame me all you want. The beauty of EVE is that you can inflict pain to others in very nasty ways IF YOU CHOSE TO, showing how good/bad you really are in RL. Its not a simple shooter where the whole purpose of the game is the SAME for all participants - kill others.

I choose to engage in PvP and shoot only reds/pirates that is a BIG difference from engaging a solo miner in high sec for the LOLS.

Those pirates that do that deserve to be called pirates and shot at by CONCORD and me.

Stop finding excuses for your low life actions in EVE, they define you and you hate to admit that you like to make people suffer. You guys are very dangerous people in RL if tomorrow there would be no police to stop your crave.

Only scrambled one pod and never shot a miner or indy. I feel guilty for shooting worm hole dwellers and they can shoot back.

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. .....

Yes, but the issue here is that some people have such a hard time to make the disconnect between game and reality that they feel pain when their pixels get exploded.

IThe question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen?

I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".

If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw?

I know this is going to be a controversial topic (mostly everyone vs. me I think...) but please read trough. This is not a troll attempt of kind, but this is an attempt to generate discussion on this topic.

It seems to me that most of EVE player community seems to think , even if they don't do this themselves, that it's okay to shoot down a lone miner or missioner in low sec, steal ore, threaten someone for money etc. "It's part of the game, deal with it" is what I hear most of the time. The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen? Don't get me wrong, pvp and such is obviously okay when both parties do it for fun and enjoyment, which is the case with most pvp in EVE. Sure, no one likes to lose but that's part of the fun too. But when you kill a lone miner who's not even in a player corp that's just evil. You don't see people saying "well he shouldn't whine it's part of the life" if a guy wanders in bad part of the town and gets beat up do you? How would like it if I came up to you and beat you up, afterwards saying "hey don't get mad, god (aka the lead dev of life ;) ) made this possible so it's cool!". You don't see theist go around saying **** like that do you?

It's so easy to be an ******* to people when you both are anonymous and it's never going to get back you. What marks a real good and moral person is his ability sympathize with others regardless of the fact who and where the other person is. "It's part of the game" is just really really bad excuse for behaving like an ******* and makes me wonder if these people are just as bad irl, or do express their inner ******* online because they don't have the balls to do it irl? I know I'd much rather just say hi to that lonely miner than blow him to pieces just because.

I don't know why I would bother, but....do you not see the inverse of that? A position that is no less valid? Take the very end of that sentence and reword it....."that they feel elation when they explode someone's pixels".

If the ganker or griefer can feel real life elation and joy at blowing up another real person's "pixels", why isn't it just as valid for the other person to be pissed and angry? Why is that somehow an emotional flaw?

Sigh, why fw mate, WHY



Yes, your gain in game. Its a form of tactical advantage.

How would you ever prove this? Outside of meeting someone outside the game and getting to know them there is no way that I know of.

I will ask YOU what I have asked a few ppl now and NO ONE WILL ANSWER ME.


Lets say you have known one of your corp mates for a great deal of time. They have always been an upstanding corp mate and help you out when you need, are polite on voice coms and are generally pleasent to be around. Would you, having only you in game knowledge of them...

1) Ask them to watch over your kids when your out of town?

2) Invest in a business venture of theirs?

3) Put them as a guardian of your kids in the lack of any other relatives being able to do so (as in over a foster home)?

4) Let them house sit for you?

5) Let them borrow your car?

Please, I really would like to know.