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Fionaa
Quantum Link Company
2
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:45:00 -
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To the op
I haven-¦t read the whole responses, but dont you think thats what makes eve so special the thrill of never really be sure if your safe? If you are to mine in low/null you have to be ready to dodge bullets, and thats what makes it fun. What if all of a sudden we get pvp rooms and the world is just one big friendly teddybearhugging place. Will eve online still be any fun ? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
178
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Posted - 2011.11.01 02:56:00 -
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Most games are based on deception in one form or another, this one especially so.
Whether it be a play to trick the defensive line in football, pass behind your back in basketball, a sacrificial move in checkers, a feint in chess, a verbal non-aggression agreement in Risk, a bluff in Poker, playing an evil bastard in any role playing game ever made, or playing a spy/infiltrator/ganker in EVE.
The advertising informs you of the nature of the game before you ever install it for the first time, and 5 minutes reading local tells you again. i don't think I even need to mention how clearly the games forums reinforce this idea.
If you don't agree with the concept of people portraying a bad guy in this game to provide amusement and to challenge the other players...
if you take the loss of virtual items (that you do not own in any way) personally...
if you cannot fathom that people lying, cheating, stealing, and killing in a fantasy game environment specifically created to be ultra dangerous is completely different from same behavior in reality...
...then there are very few RPG's you will enjoy. In fact, there are few competitive games of any type that you will be truly comfortable with.
You aren't going to change the nature of EVE simply because you don't understand it.
You aren't going to successfully talk down to other players because you have convinced yourself you have some sort of moral high ground.
You WILL receive a lot of very well deserved eye rolls and then be largely ignored.
Personally I'm delighted that there is a game out there that depicts a truly cut throat environment. Not because I usually play the bad guy myself in this game, but because it is far more challenging to play against real people completely cutting loose against me than any "evil NPC" ever will be.
If you can portray a "good guy" in EVE and still come out on top you have finally accomplished something difficult in your game playing experience. You should be thanking those that you are talking down to so smugly, because without them your experiences in this game would be greatly diminished.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:00:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Cearain, I am not going to persue this any farther man.
I just want to say, in all seriousness, if this is how you feel about this game, you need to take a serious look into how you separate game play vs relationships in reality. There is a large difference between the two but the line is blurred way too much for you man.
Honestly not trolling. EVE might really not be the place for you. Poker, losing isn't that bad. Risk, you lose a couple hours. EVE you can lose years. That level of risk is why most of us feel so much excitement vs the other games. The amount of emotional investment you have in this game might be a detriment to your health if the chips fall in the wrong way.
Thanks for your concern. I'm not going fret over losing a few hundred dollars in game assets. If you knew what I did for a living you would laugh for even suggesting it.
If a friend tells me I can trust him, and he is lying about it and takes my stuff I will no longer trust him as much - "in game" or "out of game."
If my reaction on this sounds strange to you, I think you are the one who may want to give eve a break. Your drinking too much of the kool aid. People won't trust you if you tell them your views. If you think you can just say well I lied about something concerning a game so there is nothing wrong, your kidding yourself.
Seriously you may want to tell some of your coworkers that you pretend to make friends on teamspeak or vent with people in order to take their stuff. Tell them that way you don't have to pay a subscription fee or grind missions to pay for your pvp. They may *say* things like oh yeah thats interesting or even how cool that is. But I can tell you I would not be the only one who would think you are not trustworthy.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:09:00 -
[304] - Quote
Ranger 1 why don't you answer some of the questions I asked?
Karl did and the discussion actually made *some* headway. He made some good and interesting points. You, however, seem incapable of moving past posting platitudes.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
180
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Posted - 2011.11.01 03:21:00 -
[305] - Quote
Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 why don't you answer some of the questions I asked? Karl did and the discussion actually made *some* headway. He made some good and interesting points. You, however, seem incapable of moving past posting platitudes.
1: I have already answered your question directly. To repeat myself...
No, I would be at most slightly irritated if a friend in real life put one over on me and zapped my assets. Just as I would not take it overly seriously if he broke a non-aggression pact in RISK, or successfully bluffed me in Poker. It is the nature of the GAME, and has zero reflection on his behavior in reality.
You have pointedly ignored that response for the last several pages of this thread, even when it was directly pointed out that I had answered you. Which brings me to my second point...
2: You are a troll. As a general rule, once that becomes painfully apparent I don't humor them anymore.
I trust the people in this thread will forgive this one exception.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 04:18:00 -
[306] - Quote
Ranger 1 wrote:Cearain wrote:Ranger 1 why don't you answer some of the questions I asked? Karl did and the discussion actually made *some* headway. He made some good and interesting points. You, however, seem incapable of moving past posting platitudes. 1: I have already answered your question directly. To repeat myself... No, I would be at most slightly irritated if a friend in real life put one over on me and zapped my assets. Just as I would not take it overly seriously if he broke a non-aggression pact in RISK, or successfully bluffed me in Poker. It is the nature of the GAME, and has zero reflection on his behavior in reality. You have pointedly ignored that response for the last several pages of this thread, even when it was directly pointed out that I had answered you. Which brings me to my second point....
You did not say that. Instead you quoted my question and then volunteered that your best friend and your wife and son "kicked your ass in this game." So I asked what you meant because it was unclear if that statment really addressed the question I put to you. That scenario is one where they specifically tell you, you can trust them and they then take all your assets - about 50 billion worth so that they do not need to pay a subscription any more.
If you are now indicating that in fact happened to you (and that is how your best friend "kicked your ass") I am sorry for you. Not because of billions of eve assets but because your "best" friend is not a very good friend at all. Just my opinion.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Ascendic
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
4
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:51:00 -
[307] - Quote
The left it because morality is merely the result of society confining itself to a set of rules drawn up by the few wealthy and powerful which put in place punishments for for 'immoral' or 'wrong' behaviour.
When these rules are stripped from society you see people emerge as the animals we truly are. Without the threat of repercussions from your actions morality is thrown out the window; anarchy and chaos ensue.
Welcome to EVE, or as I like to call it, "What the world would be like if there was no cops and government to tell us WTF to do Game" |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
3
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Posted - 2011.11.01 05:57:00 -
[308] - Quote
Capsuleers are fluffed in-game as immoral, immortal demigods that frankly do not give a crap about human life.
It seems only fitting for such characters to act like superlative versions of real-world corrupt politicians/CEOs/generals.
(This also implies that Carebear roleplayers are an oxymoron) |
Greygal
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
53
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:22:00 -
[309] - Quote
Huehuehue wrote:The question I want to ask you is this: Why do you leave your morality at login screen?
I do not leave *MY* morality at the login screen. I may, however, leave *YOUR* morality at the login screen.
You are operating under a false premise: that what you personally view as moral behavior is what everyone else should view as moral behavior (or immoral).
This has nothing to do with in game or out of game - to assume that your morality is not only the correct morality, but the proper morality for everyone else, is presumptuous and arrogant, to say the least. It's also the mindset that led to much tragedy historically.
Your morality is not my morality. My morality is not yours. Every person in this game does, in fact, NOT leave their own morality when they log in. On the contrary, they individually choose their own morality and play accordingly. As it should be. It does not matter if that choice fits within your own morality definition or not: it's not your choice to make.
You are choosing to define certain behaviors as moral choices when they are not moral choices of behavior, but economic and strategic choices of behavior. This is true with virtually EVERY target choice. Why else do we rush to loot the wreck so fast after a fight? It's to see if we hit the jackpot or not - was this fight worth the ammo used, the time hunting, etc.
To date, I've never blown up a miner, anywhere. But it has nothing to do with morals. For me, there is no economic or strategic value in blowing up a mining barge. Well, at least not yet :) Besides, I rather do prefer targets that can shoot back... but that's about fun, not morals.
Ultimately, the only morality that matters is the morality you choose for yourself. I would, of course, advise a, um, shall we say, flexible moral compass to follow. You'll find the game more fun.
What you do for yourself dies with you, what you do for others is immortal. |
Krios Ahzek
Juvenis Iratus
5
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Posted - 2011.11.01 06:48:00 -
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The keyword is the door; that is, the login screen. We're on the internet.
You see...
Eve is not real life.
It is just fantasy.
PVP might feel like you're caught in a landslide, but it's an escape from reality.
You need to open your eyes, look up to the skies and see...
You're just a poor player, you need no sympathy
The New Eden cluster is full of cruelty.
And even if your ship blows, it shouldn't really matter to you...
To youuuuuu
Too late! Your time has come!
It's sending shivers down my spine, body aching for F1
Good bye, sorry body, you've got yo go
Didn't mean to make you cry
Gotta leave you all behind and face the truth
Mama, oooh, you didn't want to die!
You sometimes wished you didn't even play at all...
If I'm not back again this time tomorrow...
Buy a new clone, carry on.
As if nothing really matters, to me...
To meeeee....
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Michael Holmes Holmes
0verload.
IMPERIAL LEGI0N
0
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:36:00 -
[311] - Quote
I love this topic, I think the debate is healthy and needs to be addressed very badly.
I have seen some folks say that how you act in EVE will reflect who you are as a person and I agree, no matter what you are doing, you are still going to be you.
I don't think I am the only one who finds it ironic that we have a sort of "high school bully" culture about the morality of EVE, some say that they have a moral code that they cannot break and they end up becoming victims of that morality because of the many scammers, griefers and gankers that roam around EVE just popping ships for the fun of it.
I have no problem when I get killed in EVE as long as the person has the decency to not take it outside the game, I see so many players that come on the forums and brag about tears or post about someone who they messed up just because they were mining. When you log on to the forum and brag about killing unarmed miners, you become a bully.
Just keep it in the game, you don't need to act like you just stole a kids lunch money.
Some of the posts on this topic make me think that some players think they are like The Joker from Dark Knight or some sort of cool bounty hunter type in a Mad Max inspired moral wasteland.
I hate to tell you this, but you come off more like a bully who beats up the weak because you think it makes you look cool for your friends, I find this ironic because we are all probably nerds and have all experienced the social problems associated with that.
Nobody has to change the way they play this game, all the ganking and scamming is what makes this game fun, but when you start taking it too far and people stop playing because you screwed them over...then you are not helping anybody and are just a bully and nothing more. |
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
30
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:42:00 -
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Having just taken part in smartbombing 9 mackinaws gathered in an ice belt and podding them: because it's funny. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
620
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Posted - 2011.11.01 07:49:00 -
[313] - Quote
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:I have seen some folks say that how you act in EVE will reflect who you are as a person and I agree, no matter what you are doing, you are still going to be you.
This is a shockingly ignorant statement.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
27
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Posted - 2011.11.01 09:50:00 -
[314] - Quote
Cearain wrote:
Seriously you may want to tell some of your coworkers that you pretend to make friends on teamspeak or vent with people in order to take their stuff. Tell them that way you don't have to pay a subscription fee or grind missions to pay for your pvp. They may *say* things like oh yeah thats interesting or even how cool that is. But I can tell you I would not be the only one who would think you are not trustworthy.
can't resist. I have. Had a huge heist a while ago. Told me boss, my wife, friends (got a few into the game from the story), even my mom. You know what every person I have ever told response to it was?
Laughter. Everyone thought it was funny. They also thought it was funny that people got so heated about this. You can label it immoral all you want but you would just be again reaffirming my point. The RPG community might take sympathy on this, everyone else is just laughing at how serious you are taking it. |
Samillian
Trojan Trolls
Controlled Chaos
16
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Posted - 2011.11.01 09:56:00 -
[315] - Quote
Why should I be "moral" in EvE?
In RL I work hard, pay my taxes, look after my family and restrain myself from slaughtering the idiots who go out of their way to make life difficult than it needs to be. Isn't that more than enough morality for one day?
While I don't tend to go out of my way to ruin anyones day in EvE (unless your a red or a neut and then you know the score anyway) it's good to go to a place where I can be completely unrestrained if I so chose. The moment you joined this game you accepted what the EvE universe could throw at you might not be pleasant. Live with it like most of us do or find some other thing to do. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
920
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Posted - 2011.11.01 10:21:00 -
[316] - Quote
People who play practical jokes are immoral sociopaths (who were probably abused as children) because they gain amusement at the discomfort of others.
Have you ever watched a youtube video and laughed at a guy faceplanting? Then you're a vicious savage, barely restrained from your lust for pillage and rapine by the harsh application of law and order by your moral betters who are entitled to judge you (That's me, btw. I'm entitled to judge you because this is my post.)
Anyone who tries to make the distinction between the trivial effects of an activity in a video game and the drastic effects of assault, theft, robbery and murder in real life is merely making excuses for their own hyperatrophied moral acuity. People who try and insinuate that I am making wild unsupported assertions based on false equivalence and logical fallacies are - and let's all be honest with ourselves here - on a par with those who blame **** victims for wearing short skirts.
Futhermore,
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:07:00 -
[317] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:People who play practical jokes are immoral sociopaths (who were probably abused as children) because they gain amusement at the discomfort of others.
Have you ever watched a youtube video and laughed at a guy faceplanting? Then you're a vicious savage, barely restrained from your lust for pillage and rapine by the harsh application of law and order by your moral betters who are entitled to judge you (That's me, btw. I'm entitled to judge you because this is my post.)
Anyone who tries to make the distinction between the trivial effects of an activity in a video game and the drastic effects of assault, theft, robbery and murder in real life is merely making excuses for their own hyperatrophied moral acuity. People who try and insinuate that I am making wild unsupported assertions based on false equivalence and logical fallacies are - and let's all be honest with ourselves here - on a par with those who blame **** victims for wearing short skirts.
Futhermore,
I would Like this post twice if I could. |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
1767
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:11:00 -
[318] - Quote
Why do people keep trying to associate game play with real life?
THIS IS A GAME. If you are playing the game within the rules, then what is the issue?
If you are having trouble disassociating real life actions with in-game ones, then it's time to re-evaluate your own mental condition.
Either turn off the PC and take some time off, or accept it's a game and being played as designed.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Chelone
Outside The Asylum
2
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:16:00 -
[319] - Quote
I'll reiterate the main point, since people seem to be ignoring it. Hurting people in-game for in-game advantage is not an issue and is not immoral. "Feeding off of people's tears" i.e. hurting people IRL using Eve as the tool by which to do so is immoral. Not that I have a problem with that existing, but I don't allow those people to claim to be moral.
The griefer that suicides a noob is gaining no in-game advantage. It is not like a broken treaty in Risk, or a deceptive move in Chess where you are doing it for game advantage. If you insist on using Risk as an example (a board game taking only hours, as opposed to Eve which takes years), it would be like spending all your armies targeting another player in Risk for no legitimate in-game reason, but "just to be a jerk" and hurt that player. You wouldn't want to play Risk very long with people like that.
Also, in Risk: when I make treaties, I honor them. So that when I play Risk in the future, people will know I honor my treaties, and I will continue to be able to make them. If you are known to be a liar and backstabber, people won't trust you and thus you will ultimately lose advantage.
As for Ranger's claims that "he wouldn't care if his IRL friend backstabbed him in Eve and destroyed/stole everything he had" -- what an obvious lie. Most of us know he would care and that it would affect RL to an extent. I think he actually believes his own lies though. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
928
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:20:00 -
[320] - Quote
Chelone wrote:I'll reiterate the main point, since people seem to be ignoring it. Hurting people in-game for in-game advantage is not an issue and is not immoral. "Feeding off of people's tears" i.e. hurting people IRL using Eve as the tool by which to do so is immoral. Not that I have a problem with that existing, but I don't allow those people to claim to be moral.
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It's a pity you weren't present during some of the games of Monopoly that my siblings and I played as children. The weaksauce goody-two-shoes level pushing and shoving (no biting!) that passes for "griefing" in EVE wouldn't have got you Old Kent Road, never mind Mayfair or Park Lane, in our games.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
928
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:22:00 -
[321] - Quote
Chelone wrote:
As for Ranger's claims that "he wouldn't care if his IRL friend backstabbed him in Eve and destroyed/stole everything he had" -- what an obvious lie. Most of us know he would care and that it would affect RL to an extent. I think he actually believes his own lies though.
You'd write off a friendship over a stupid video game, and you're the one telling other people that they're the ones with emotional issues...?
What would you do if your brother stiffed you for his half of the pizza money? Call the police?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
30
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:28:00 -
[322] - Quote
Chelone wrote:I'll reiterate the main point, since people seem to be ignoring it. Hurting people in-game for in-game advantage is not an issue and is not immoral. "Feeding off of people's tears" i.e. hurting people IRL using Eve as the tool by which to do so is immoral. Not that I have a problem with that existing, but I don't allow those people to claim to be moral.
But why would everyone have to be of high moral standing in a roleplaying game?
Why would the role of Ming the Mercyless (or just being a plain complete asshat) not be a valid role?
And noone is able to hurting people IRL using EvE. Unless that person has decided to connect some sort of unstable high power feedback system that hurts said player when his avatar in the game gets hit.
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Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
1768
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:32:00 -
[323] - Quote
Chelone wrote:I'll reiterate the main point, since people seem to be ignoring it. Hurting people in-game for in-game advantage is not an issue and is not immoral. "Feeding off of people's tears" i.e. hurting people IRL using Eve as the tool by which to do so is immoral. Not that I have a problem with that existing, but I don't allow those people to claim to be moral. It's a game, I like shooting and blowing people up in the game. You are the one with an issue, as you seemingly cannot get that one simple point
Chelone wrote:As for Ranger's claims that "he wouldn't care if his IRL friend backstabbed him in Eve and destroyed/stole everything he had" -- what an obvious lie. Most of us know he would care and that it would affect RL to an extent. I think he actually believes his own lies though. It's not a lie. I play FPS quite often with friends and when they go looking for me to stab me in the back, we laugh about it. Why would I approach it any differently with Eve?
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
28
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:33:00 -
[324] - Quote
Chelone wrote:I'll reiterate the main point, since people seem to be ignoring it. Hurting people in-game for in-game advantage is not an issue and is not immoral. "Feeding off of people's tears" i.e. hurting people IRL using Eve as the tool by which to do so is immoral. Not that I have a problem with that existing, but I don't allow those people to claim to be moral.
It has been discussed but you haven't read the entire thread. Tear cosumption may or may not be immoral, because you have no way of differentiating the in game actions and movtivations from real life ones. I like to poke fun at the the matar fw ppl sometimes calling them dogs and such because it provokes fights(\o/). Yes, people might be assholes on teh other side of the PC. However, the game you are playing does nothing to confirm their out of game behavior.
Chelone wrote:
The griefer that suicides a noob is gaining no in-game advantage. It is not like a broken treaty in Risk, or a deceptive move in Chess where you are doing it for game advantage. If you insist on using Risk as an example (a board game taking only hours, as opposed to Eve which takes years), it would be like spending all your armies targeting another player in Risk for no legitimate in-game reason, but "just to be a jerk" and hurt that player. You wouldn't want to play Risk very long with people like that.
Untrue again. The griefer usually sucks at pvp. They wan to pvp but don't want to lose. They have found a way to pvp and not lose. Tada.
Chelone wrote:
Also, in Risk: when I make treaties, I honor them. So that when I play Risk in the future, people will know I honor my treaties, and I will continue to be able to make them. If you are known to be a liar and backstabber, people won't trust you and thus you will ultimately lose advantage.
That is a STRATEGY. I hope you can see that in your arguement. You honor your arangements in RISK. That is a style to play that has some significant rewards in RISK. In EVE, sharing your assets with a corp or other people is the same thing. You are playing strategically to do something with others you couldn't do by yourself. You don't have to play that way and morality has nothing to do with the choice of strategy.
Chelone wrote:
As for Ranger's claims that "he wouldn't care if his IRL friend backstabbed him in Eve and destroyed/stole everything he had" -- what an obvious lie. Most of us know he would care and that it would affect RL to an extent. I think he actually believes his own lies though.
You must not have many good friends. I used the example of losing to my friends in poker. All in good fun. If a IRL friend utterly destroyed me, of COURSE i would be pissed. Most would. However, that is a far stretch from being pissed (happens in most games) and calling them immoral.
Let me illustrate the difference in case it isn't clear. I have a child. That child is a serial killer. I think their actions are immoral and cut of communications with them and remove them from my will.
My other child plays eve. He robs me blind and pods my in my 5bil isk pod. I am broke and a sad panda. I think their actions are immoral and cut of communications with them and remove them from my will.
Anything out of place their between those two examples?
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Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
241
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:37:00 -
[325] - Quote
Karl Planck wrote:
Let me illustrate the difference in case it isn't clear. I have a child. That child is a serial killer. I think their actions are immoral and cut of communications with them and remove them from my will.
My other child plays eve. He robs me blind and pods my in my 5bil isk pod. I am broke and a sad panda. I think their actions are immoral and cut of communications with them and remove them from my will.
Anything out of place their between those two examples?
Yes. You have children. 
Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun. |
Sh0plifter
Black Market Operations
5
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:39:00 -
[326] - Quote
Morals are based on religion, a set of beliefs and emotions. Things non-existent in Eve. Eve has the mentality of fend for yourself, Fend for your corp mates or both. In order for a well-rounded corp you must do both. That is the only thing really. Make isk, help your corp make isk and shoot pixel spaceships (or crunch rocks with lasers) that float around in space on your computer screen(s)/television(s). |
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange
Fatal Ascension
227
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:52:00 -
[327] - Quote
Hows this for a perfect example. I have this friend in real life who plays eve. In game, I don't trust him with more than a frigate, just not gonna give him the chance to screw me because thats what he does. He did it once, so I know he will.
I have more than once trusted the player himself with my account name and password because I had to update my queue and couldn't get to a game client.
That is the difference between in game and out of game. In game my friend will rob anyone he gets so much as the slightest bit of access to, and if I had given him access to my account in game, I would have nothing anymore. Out of game, he is a friend and I can trust him to behave as a friend because thats who he is in real life.
I'm sorry you people have no good friends, and are have such poor imaginations you can't understand what role playing is, but it is truly offensive to refer to those who do as evil people because you don't understand them due to your own limitations.
You have my sincerest sympathy as well for your obviously sad, sad lives.
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
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Posted - 2011.11.01 11:59:00 -
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What I think is creating the main division of opinions here (ignoring the plain trolling) is the the difference between ordinary boardgame like chess, Risk, Thud or Hnefatafl is that people seldom see them as roleplaying games.
When I play Risk I rarely play it in the role of Stalin, Gandhi or Mother Theresa.
I play it with my friends as me.
But when I play a roleplaying game, I'm supposed to play my role, no matter what role I've selected (or been asked) to play. No matter if it's online or IRL with friends.
And when playing a roleplaying game you are always playing a role, even those who claim that they don't (lol)RP.
You're playing the role of someone who pretends not to play a role.
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
160
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:27:00 -
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Huehuehue wrote:John Caesse wrote:Huehuehue wrote:
I play EVE to "escape" from real life just as much as the next guy, but I know I bring my real life morality with me to the game, I mean how could you not? That's not something you just turn off.
Yes, it is something you just turn off. I would never indiscriminately slaughter everyone I see in a given area in real life, but I do it all the time in Call of Duty - would you say that me killing people in an FPS makes me an immoral person? I think you misunderstand me. It's 100% okay to kill people in cod and it does not make you immoral person. That is because every player plays for fun, and the game is no fun if there's no risk of death. Yeah there are kids who fly off the handle if you dominate them but most people are good sport about it. It's not the act itself (killing, destroying) that makes the person immoral, it's the consenquense of that act. You kill a enemy in war? He expected that, he'd be bored if you'd just lay down and not fight back. You kill a guy doing lvl4 in lowsec in a faction bs just because you want a killmail? He most likely did not want to engage in combat with anyone and felt bad for losing the things he worked hard for.
I highlighted the important bits in your own argument.
In EVE, you should expect the same things to happen.
It's a roleplaying game. Play your role, others will play theirs. Get on with it.
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Cearain
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
70
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Posted - 2011.11.01 12:32:00 -
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Karl Planck wrote:Cearain wrote:
Seriously you may want to tell some of your coworkers that you pretend to make friends on teamspeak or vent with people in order to take their stuff. Tell them that way you don't have to pay a subscription fee or grind missions to pay for your pvp. They may *say* things like oh yeah thats interesting or even how cool that is. But I can tell you I would not be the only one who would think you are not trustworthy.
can't resist. I have. Had a huge heist a while ago. Told me boss, my wife, friends (got a few into the game from the story), even my mom. You know what every person I have ever told response to it was? Laughter. Everyone thought it was funny. They also thought it was funny that people got so heated about this. You can label it immoral all you want but you would just be again reaffirming my point. The RPG community might take sympathy on this, everyone else is just laughing at how serious you are taking it.
What you don't seem to understand is there is a difference between taking your internet spaceship stuff too seriously and not thinking its ok to lie to friends in order to get personal gain.
Yes everyone I talk to laughs when describe peole who take internet spaceships too seriously.
But you seem to assume that people who will lie to friends in order to get there stuff in this game, care less about the internet spaceships than those who won't. I'm not so sure about that.
When I explain how people lie to friends etc in order to get their internet spaceship stuff, I get a different reaction. It's more of a its amusingly pathetic that people will take this so seriously that they would do that. It may be a different explanations, or different friends and family.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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